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posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 02:23 AM
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Timothy 4:3-5

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.
But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.


James 3:14-16

But if you have bitter envy and self seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth.
For where envy and self seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing will be there.






posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 07:35 AM
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my thinking is this way
simple please note this,when jesus with his friend.jesus just ask all the ISRAELIAN turn to what MOSES did teach so jesus also say `i came not to make a new LAW but to fullfil it so to what i m thinking is the CHRYSTIAN or the NAZARENE to are more then different to what MOSES brought from GOD



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 12:56 PM
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Quoting the bible won't convince me. It's a book. Green Eggs and Ham is a book, so is a lot of other trash. If god wants me to believe in him, he should come down here and be like "Eh Crare... I'm real" and then prove it. Instead, he has to be a dick about it and let us base our lives off faith before we can go to Heaven and worship him even more until the end of time. I don't like being told I have to believe something I have no proof of or else I am going to be in eternal pain and suffering when I die. Faith is not something to base my life off of.

50 bucks to the person who can make me believe in god.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 01:30 PM
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Why I don't believe Jesus Christ died for my sins.

First of all, because I have never sinned, I will never sin in my whole life now matter how hard I may try. There is no sin because there is no God nor there has haver been a son of God.
We live in a nihilistic reality, sin doesn't exist because there is no universal being to create universal truths, there isn't any God and therefore no one to declare which actions are sins and which aren't.

Second, I must agree with the above post, Quoting from the bible won't make me believe in anything.
It's no proof that everything any prophet said is real just because some of his profecies came true, specially if those profecies are vague and are redundant in relation to the reality in which the profecie was born.
What the hell, some guys saying that people would not believe in Jesus and would not listen to his teachings in the future, that was true even for their times!
Many didn't care for Jesus' teachings in Jesus time, many didn't listen to what his disciples said after his death, now what a big profecie, some people won't believe in Jesus in the future, wowwwwwwwww, now that's BIG!

There is no proof that God exists
There is no proof that Jesus was the son of god provided God exists or existed.
Some people even doubt Jesus has ever existed at all.

Why should I believe then that Jesus died for my sins? Why should I deny my individual thought, my individual action, my individual values, morals and ethics or lack of them for some people say a bigger existence tells me to?

What if some profecies are true?
Many of them aren't, most of them actually. If God really wanted us to know he exists he could say something that is an universal truth to people, oh but he won't for some dark mysterious reason we won't. But you want me to believe in him and why? because if I do I will be saved and go to heaven, NO! there is no heaven nor afterlife. When you die you die and it's the end, why should I believe anything else?

Why don't you tell me why should I believe Jesus died for my sins?

I believe in science and sometimes even about science I do doubt, I believe in this reality but also that is dubious, why should I blindly believe something I have no proof about its existence?

[Edited on 13-3-2003 by Antichrist]



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 02:18 PM
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Originally posted by crare
Quoting the bible won't convince me. It's a book. Green Eggs and Ham is a book, so is a lot of other trash. If god wants me to believe in him, he should come down here and be like "Eh Crare... I'm real" and then prove it. Instead, he has to be a dick about it and let us base our lives off faith before we can go to Heaven and worship him even more until the end of time. I don't like being told I have to believe something I have no proof of or else I am going to be in eternal pain and suffering when I die. Faith is not something to base my life off of.

50 bucks to the person who can make me believe in god.


well reading your reply here, it's clear as day and night that you hold a grudge. Based on the context of your own words, your angry. Seeing is believing? Can you see time? You know it exists, but you can't see it. Is the wind real? You can't see it, but it is. Don't hold God accountable for what man has done to you. Quoting the bible does no good? Perhaps you should try to understand what the scripture implies? Everything a human does is for a reason. Cause and effect can't be escaped. You cannot say "I'll never have an itch again", you would be lying to yourself. You WILL get an itch and you will scratch it. Thus cause and effect. So how is man any different than nature? The moon controls the tides, you can't see this, but it is so. You can't see an itch, but it will be. Going outside and looking at nature, animals etc... you see no higher meaning? No reasons beyond our brief existance here with so many so called important decisions and the cause and effect that we so steadfastly chase after? What do you know about evil and temptation. Can you not see the sin that ONLY man commints? Why do you think your at this website? Everybody here is looking for the truth. They deny God and even knowing they deny him, blame him for the worlds misfortunes. They see the evil that man does run rampant, but when looking for answers blame the Creator, but not themselves or their fellow man. Understanding your own sin and the evil you do is the first key to understanding why God gave his only Son to atone for our evil, self centered, greedy, arrogant, hateful ways.


By faith we understand

Hebrews 11:1-3

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For by it the elders obtained a good testimony.
By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

Hebrews 12:1-2

Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the SIN WHICH SO EASILY ENSNARES US, and let us run with endureance the race that is set before us,
looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for thejy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 02:33 PM
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Originally posted by Antichrist
Why I don't believe Jesus Christ died for my sins.

First of all, because I have never sinned, I will never sin in my whole life now matter how hard I may try. There is no sin because there is no God nor there has haver been a son of God.
We live in a nihilistic reality, sin doesn't exist because there is no universal being to create universal truths, there isn't any God and therefore no one to declare which actions are sins and which aren't.

Second, I must agree with the above post, Quoting from the bible won't make me believe in anything.
It's no proof that everything any prophet said is real just because some of his profecies came true, specially if those profecies are vague and are redundant in relation to the reality in which the profecie was born.
What the hell, some guys saying that people would not believe in Jesus and would not listen to his teachings in the future, that was true even for their times!
Many didn't care for Jesus' teachings in Jesus time, many didn't listen to what his disciples said after his death, now what a big profecie, some people won't believe in Jesus in the future, wowwwwwwwww, now that's BIG!

There is no proof that God exists
There is no proof that Jesus was the son of god provided God exists or existed.
Some people even doubt Jesus has ever existed at all.

Why should I believe then that Jesus died for my sins? Why should I deny my individual thought, my individual action, my individual values, morals and ethics or lack of them for some people say a bigger existence tells me to?

What if some profecies are true?
Many of them aren't, most of them actually. If God really wanted us to know he exists he could say something that is an universal truth to people, oh but he won't for some dark mysterious reason we won't. But you want me to believe in him and why? because if I do I will be saved and go to heaven, NO! there is no heaven nor afterlife. When you die you die and it's the end, why should I believe anything else?

Why don't you tell me why should I believe Jesus died for my sins?

I believe in science and sometimes even about science I do doubt, I believe in this reality but also that is dubious, why should I blindly believe something I have no proof about its existence?

[Edited on 13-3-2003 by Antichrist]



Look at your username. Either you just happened to stumble across my thread or you made an alias. Either way i sense a negative emotion. If you do have another name than your clearly hiding your true intentions, thus you would be lying. Catering to an negative trait. Denying that sin doesn't exist is foolish. Denying that you sin is even more foolish. None of it exists yet your at a website that clearly deals with the destructions and future events that WILL end mankind? But evil is not real according to you. LoL Perhaps you should read what you wrote and read the Timothy scripture through. Because you are perpetuating EXACTLY what it STATES.

Timothy 4:3-5

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers;
and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.





posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 02:43 PM
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umm hello everyone. i agree with you the guy who believes in jesus and started this post. okay i will have to say that i am a mathmetician and i figured out the outcome of the bible not being true and it is 1/30000000000000000 thats your chance for it not being real. i figured that out by all the prophesies that came true. and ill tell you taht the bible is real because we have historic facts taht jesus is real. they have a record of a man dying on the cross the same day taht jesus did. they have a tombstone that says paul son of joseph brother of JESUS. they have so much proof now that i cant say all of it. they found the ten commandments. they found noahs arc which had the same exact measurements as the one in the bible. so it is noahs arc. all these things prove that its real. oh and there is a god so there is sin. you going and saying that god isnt real is a sin right there so you dont have try to hard to sin do you? if you dont think god is real then who made everything. who? it couldnt have jsut been something in space because how could that have got there. i tell you that i love jesus with all my heart.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 03:24 PM
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I agree with you RC taht Jesus died for our sins. Plus I am a religious nut, but thats a differnt story. Antichirst it is impossible to say that you have not sinned. We all have. We were born with orignal sin. It was removed during Baptism. Jesus died so God may forgive us for any sin that we commit. Jesus Chirst is our only way of salvation. Reject him and well you screwed.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 03:44 PM
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I dont just believe but (know) what miracles ive seen of him, not allah, not buddhist, but
jesus christ.

hes provided 2000 years of miracles, twelve apostles to giive account, the shroud of turon, saints who
bled the passion and stigmatist, fatima which 70,000 (all) saw the sun spin, masive amounts
of curings, miracles everywhere ect...


Its useless, RC, they will deny and deny because of a lifestyle they feel the need to
deny him that they know offens him.

they shall see only when god allows them, they will be lost in their own pride and want, and they urely
will be sucked into the times ahead with tears and fright.


When he gives these coming signs to the world,this will be the(last) chance for unbelievers to embrace their god.


(pride) is the most devistating sin in humanity.


peace.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by Truth

I dont just believe but (know) what miracles ive seen of him, not allah, not buddhist, but
jesus christ.



you have no idea what ure talking about

allah = arabic word for God, take an arabic christian bible and read it
buddhist? mmmk lol

3rd, you have not seen any miracles at all, u heard of them and red about them, you wish you had seen them

4th to answer the topic, jesus did not die for anyones sins

why? its a contradition

bible says "god is omnipotent"

then u learn that his only son had to go through terible pain and sufering so that humanity would be cleared of sins

this is a contradition

because if its true god is not omnipotent, if it is true, then the bible is lying by saying god is omnipotent, he clearly is not

just as he created the phisical universe he can erase humanitys sins

bible is gods word huh? wel for many christians they circle things from both old and new testament, things that suit them rite

you either folow your religion or you dont

you cant follow a part of it

"jesus died for my sins" is i think the bigges cause why we have so many murders here in the u.s.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 04:38 PM
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LOL what a laught.

What's your problem with my username? I have been antichristian for some time now, I am an agnosticist antichristian what is the problem with having this username?


Negative emotion? not at all. It's called reasion, intelligence and skeptic spirit.

Nope, I don't have another username if it's that to which you are refering, I am kinda new to this board actually.

You say I am foolish and the things i think are foolish yet you forget to tell me why, or perhaps you are unable to explain where exactly is the foolishness in denying that sin exists.

Perhaps I am foolish by not accepting truths that are told and not explained, which not only makes your brains dumb but are enough to call you a dumb person.
Or maybe I am foolish because I have not the same beliefs that you have, you seem to be affected by that COULD IT BE BECAUSE IT HURTS YOUR OWN DEEP AND HIDDEN FEELINGS THAT WHAT YOU BELIEVE IS NOT REAL? One can just wonder.

Maybe it is foolish not to accept a God that goes against human nature, that goes against nature itself. A God who is described in the bible in ways that go against scientific proof, that are redundant and yet incoerent in its redundant nature. Is that it? cause if it is I am proud to be a fool.

I am proud not to chain myself to a non existing god that puts limits into my action, my thought and my actual existence. I am proud to be a skeptic and a devote antichristian. I am proud, yes, not to believe in concepts of sin relating to the will of a dark mysterious AND INCOERENT God as descried in the bible.

I am at a website that deals with Conspiracy Theories, which don't have to relate to the end of mankind, ocan you understand that secret planes, wars against terrorism and secret societies don't have to be linked to the end of mankind? or are you just too dumb?

JediMaster, I'll explain it too you very slowly. Hope you can understand it.

I'll use something like the Cartesian Method of the Doubt.

I'll firstly reflect about sin. Maybe I am wrong (I never am but it goes always well to say this...) but Sin is an action that goes against the Laws of God. Hope I'm not going to fast for you...
Now what are the laws of God if God doesn't exist? Is there any vality to them? No. The Laws (that man sell as being of God) have no value if God doesn't exist... it seems obvious to me, but It also seems you had a hard time to understand this whole new concept of God not existing so maybe I'll explain it aswell.

God doesn't exist, not your jewish/christian God anyway. WHy not? Well lets face this question not with feelings but with reason. I know your weak spirit must seek something in which to believe and in order to make your life easier, I know it makes it easier to face life, but let's face this question with reason, thou I don't think you are neither intelligent enough nor strong enough to be capable of such intelectual honesty. God, as seen only as a creator and not coupled with any religious feelings, is transcendental, it is hard to me (thus inpossible to you) to actually understand the whole magnificence and possibilities of it's existence, there are no possibilities that anyone can understand God if he is to exist.
Now you can say he has already explained himself to us throught the bible and through his son, I can only laugh, you think a book that contracdicts itself in almost every sense is believable? you think that he would give any son to a mortal woman? why not just make it be born from earth? oh I forgot, everyone is born from women and so if anyone is going to claim to be god's son then he must also have been born from a woman. Oh well, I'd rather believe in raelian bull# than in a book that gives as a commandment "Do not kill" and then states that god killed the whole planetary population in a massive flood, andafter states that the son of God said he would bring death and misery to those who would not listen to him... oh well, I can only feel your pain for being such a dumb (sub)human being.

I reject him and I shall do it until I die. I shall live my life in a strong individualist and nihilistic way, and I shall forever laught of your stupid existence.

Btw Truth, It is your lifestyle that doesn't allow you to see that God does not exist.

And I live in Portugal, we all know about the Fatima miracle, I also know that millions of people say they were abducted by alliens, I know of my personal expirences that I can't explain and I know about personal experiences by other that they can't explain and I don't try to go and atribute all that to a God that if we all use our intelectual honesty will understand that doesn't exist.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 06:18 PM
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I don't think Jesus is anymore than a dude, who started his own religion.

I think God doesn't come down and "prove" his existance, because we need something to search for, science is the search for God. God is infinite and we can't understand infinity. We can write it out on math and even then, we can only understand it through limits.


So what it boils down to, is we'll never understand or know God, but we can increase out knowledge of "it" by increasing our science. What we know about this universe as a whole, shapes our views of reality, of God, and of life and death.

I doubt sincerely, the bible has any accurate information, from salvation, to prophecy. I wouldn't believe in it literally if my life depended on it, but it is an excellent moral standard, and teaches great values that sadly are all too forgotten these days.

And honestly, how can you teach these values without a God? If it was not the word of "God" then people wouldn't listen, the bible would be forgotten.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 07:48 PM
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Jesus Christ from the Beginning knew what the outcome of His life would be......He specifically came down to earth to save unrepented sinners of the 'OLD Testament "" and for future humankind.......All too well knowing that He would be treated the way He was treated.....

All throughout the O.T.there are prophecies relating to Him being born......eg
The seed of the woman shall crush thy head, and thou shall stike at his heel(Cf.Gen.3:15).
that is, from woman there will come forth an offspring-the Saviour of the world,Who will be born of a virgin,will conquer the Devil and save man,but for this ,He Himself must suffer.
This promise of God concerning the coming of the Saviour was received by men with faith and joy,because it gave them great consolation. In order that men would not forget this promise of God,God taught them to offer sacrifices.
For this He commanded them to sacrifice a bull, a lamb or a goat,and to burn them with prayer for the forgiveness of sins and with faith in the future Saviour.Such a sacrifice was a prefiguration of the Saviour,Who had to suffer and pour out His blood for our sins, that is, by His all pure blood to wash our souls from sin and make them clean, holy and once more worthy of Paradise.
see Genesis,chap.3:7-24)



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 11:20 PM
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anti, why do you feel the need to insult me? You do no wrong? Anybody that reads this thread can see your true colors. Your full of arrogance as well as ignorance. Very negative human traits that lead most to stay away from people like yourself that portray that character. If you can't comprehend that, then your blinded by your OWN denial. All you seem to do in your thread is judge me like your some superior thinker. Your in Portugal, I'm in America, last time I checked America was the forefront of technology and science and schooling. Portugal is tourists and fishing. How would your beliefs effect me other than me letting everyone know the truth of your poor advice. Your view is typical, closed minded, and basically states that there is no meaning for us and anything we do. It makes no sense. I'm sure you've got tons of things that you consider important and priority. That kills your whole view of everything just is. If it just is, then nothing in your life means anything. Your an advocate of science? What has science really done for humanity? Poisoned the planet? Made cures for diseases that were created by science in the first place? Made us lazy? Made us back track instead of moving forward? Did you know the bible has 8 scientific evidences mentioned in it. Evidences that have nothing to do with humans thus no ill will comes from it. Humans + science = death, reality is evident of it. You don't even know what to say to the scripture I posted. I've heard your belief 1 too many times. Like I said earlier, it's common. Nothing new to me to discern.




As far as this site containing the death of humanity?

your own words.

"I am at a website that deals with Conspiracy Theories, which don't have to relate to the end of mankind, ocan you understand that secret planes, wars against terrorism and secret societies don't have to be linked to the end of mankind? or are you just too dumb"

You have the nerve to call me dumb? Do you even know what your reading about? Apparently not by your own statement. I live in a military state, whatchu know bout that sailboat? I hope all Portuguese are not as simple as this kid here.



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 11:30 PM
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Rogue Chris....





'''free will""" we still have that......................



[Edited on 14-3-2003 by helen]



posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 11:34 PM
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1 Corinthians 2:14-15

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because he is spiritually discerned.




posted on Mar, 13 2003 @ 11:53 PM
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Proverbs 11:6
The righteousness of the upright will deliver them, But the unfaithful will be taken by their own lust.



Proverbs 12
Whoever loves instruction loves knowledge, But he who hates reproof is stupid.



posted on Mar, 14 2003 @ 12:01 AM
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Jesus Christ predicted..........If they have persecuted Me,they will also persecute you(John15:20)All that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution,sais the Apostle Paul(11Tim.3:12)


If ye be reproached for the name of Christ,
happy are ye ; for the spirit of glory
and of God resteth upon you : on their part
He is evil spoken of, but on your part He is glorified.
But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or an an evildoer,or as a busybody in other men's matters.
Yet if any man suffer as a Christian,let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf(1Peter.4:14-16)


[Edited on 14-3-2003 by helen]



posted on Mar, 14 2003 @ 12:10 AM
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Helen, don't you realize only the Devil allows Free Will?

If you serve god you follow one path, one narrow narrow path.

If you do anything else that isn't "God's" way you serve Satan.

That includes "masturbation, drinking, eating meat on tuesdays, sex in any position but "missionary", and an endless list of morals almost no body has heard of."

Satan is the representation of "Freewill" because of course in a Monarchy, Freewill is considered to be too chaotic, and in a way it is, but we're doing alright. Servatude is what Kings like, so of course you must "serve" God, and of course servatude is more orderly, but the difference between order and chaos is so minimal in reality, Satan was merely a way of scaring people away from freedom, and to serving the church.

Hell the only reason Satan is called Lucifer, is because of that "Luciferian" movement in what? 1400s? 1100s? Sometime then, which I know little about but it's worth looking up.

The Church didn't like what Luciferos *whatever his name was exactly* was doing, I think he was a bishop? Priest? Help here...anyways, they didn't like what he was doing, and they didn't like the old knowledge of "Lucifer" or as we call it today, Mercury, and so they decided what better way to make people forget them then to change the meaning of Lucifer from its actual meaning, which is light, to the name of the Devil.

Mercury forms a hexagon in the sky and this pattern had been recorded down through the ages by astronomers, so no wonder the Hexagram is now considered "evil".

I'm sorry, I just don't think my Savior is anyone but me, and especially not someone who's been so corrupted by the politics of the Church, it is hard to understand WHAT the hell Jesus ever was trying to really say.



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