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Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by Alethea
So you got your batteries all charged up at church yesterday and now want to inflict your mythological nonsense upon the rest of us.
Please provide corroborative evidence the jesus (the one that appears in the new testament) was a real historical figure and all the accounts of this character are true. We then may proceed to discuss his nemesis and you may also provide evidence for his reality.
"Nevertheless, since few know this glory of baptism and the blessedness of Christian liberty, and cannot know them because of the tyranny of the pope, I for one will walk away from it all and redeem my conscience by bringing this charge against the pope and all his papists: Unless they will abolish their laws and traditions, and restore to Christ's churches their liberty and have it taught among them, they are guilty of all the souls that perish under this miserable captivity, and the papacy is truly the kingdom of Babylon, yes, the kingdom of the real Antichrist! For who is " the man of sin" and "the son of perdition" but he that with his doctrines and his laws increases sins and the perdition of souls in the Church, while he sits in the Church as if he were God? All this the papal tyranny has fulfilled, and more than fulfilled, these many centuries. It has extinguished faith, obscured the sacraments and oppressed the Gospel."
Originally posted by pthena
Here's another possibility. Instead of using the "instead of" meaning for anti, go with the "against" in the actual physical meaning, such as, the shovel leans against the wall. Imagine then two cards leaning against each other, as when a house of cards is being built. Neither card can stand alone. Either they stand together, or they both fall.
If there were no Christ, there would be no Christianity.
If there were no Christianity, there would be no Christ (at least that any would ever hear of)
I propose then that Christianity is the anti-Christ.
Read Isaiah 22:20-25. See what you may conclude.
Originally posted by The Djin
reply to post by Alethea
Please provide corroborative evidence the jesus (the one that appears in the new testament) was a real historical figure and all the accounts of this character are true. We then may proceed to discuss his nemesis and you may also provide evidence for his reality.
Originally posted by thegoodearth
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18
thegoodearth
Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God.
Originally posted by pthena
Here's another possibility. Instead of using the "instead of" meaning for anti, go with the "against" in the actual physical meaning, such as, the shovel leans against the wall. Imagine then two cards leaning against each other, as when a house of cards is being built. Neither card can stand alone. Either they stand together, or they both fall.
If there were no Christ, there would be no Christianity.
If there were no Christianity, there would be no Christ (at least that any would ever hear of)
I propose then that Christianity is the anti-Christ.
Read Isaiah 22:20-25. See what you may conclude.
Originally posted by oliveoil
Remember the 999 remaining symbolically represent the entire human race, Christ excluded.
One third of them will call on Christ’s Name, and Christ will say, “It is My people”. But two thirds shall be cut off and die.
Two thirds of 999 is 666.
Originally posted by Alethea
Originally posted by thegoodearth
"And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it" Matthew 16:18
Are you insinuating that "rock" refers to a person rather than the principles Jesus taught? If so, does that mean you think certain religious leaders are all genealogically related to Peter and therefore "chosen" to rule mankind?
thegoodearth
Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God.
Why would a "god of the living" be glorified by a brutal gory death? This sounds more like the god of the death cult who would enjoy such a thing.
Originally posted by pthena
Most Christian sects come up with ways of proving that all the other ones are someway antichrist.
1JN 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
It already started even before the New Testament was written. So a church could kick some one out, or pressure them to leave, then call them anti-christ.
3JN 1:9 I wrote to the church, but Diotrephes, who loves to be first, will have nothing to do with us. 10 So if I come, I will call attention to what he is doing, gossiping maliciously about us. Not satisfied with that, he refuses to welcome the brothers. He also stops those who want to do so and puts them out of the church.
3Jon 1:7 It was for the sake of the Name that they went out, receiving no help from the pagans. 8 We ought therefore to show hospitality to such men so that we may work together for the truth.
The Pope is Good,