Originally posted by muftanan
No one's building a shrine dedicated to terrorists! Mosques promote PEACE and justice! There's 1,209 mosques in the US--they are NOT harboring terrorists.

Have you asked yourself....why there?
We are supposed to never depict mohammed in any way and be sensitive to their religion and culture but when it comes to the ONE THING that is sensitive to us, we get the middle finger.

Oh and yes in some mosques, there are terrorists and/or extremists. I'm sure it's the minority and I know the vast majority of muslims are peace loving people who just want to live their lives, but lets face it, islam has been hijacked by extremists.

They promote scholarly, moderate views of Islam and provide services for the local muslims. Yes, there are local muslims. They need a place to worship. It's hard to find real estate in NYC, and now they have a chance. Yes, the terrorists of 9/11 were Muslim, but that has NOTHING to do with the muslims who are building this center OR the victims who died on 9/11.

How many mosques are in the immediate surrounding area?

And, it's not even primarily a mosque--it's a community center with a prayer area for muslims. It includes "fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court), a 500-seat auditorium, a restaurant and culinary school, cultural amenities including exhibitions, education programs, a library and art studios, childcare services, a mosque (intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community), and dedicated meditation rooms" (Park51.org). It's like a YMCA or Jewish Community Center. It's open for any and all New Yorkers to use.

Great then they should donate it to the YMCA

But hey, you know what IS insensitive. The fact that there's a strip club even closer to ground zero than the Cordoba House site.

yeah and those extremist strippers blow up buildings and kill innocent Americans all the time !

And the burning of the Koran is insensitive and, as a Christian, I feel this church in Florida is setting a very un-Christ like example. That is why Christian groups are coming down on them as well.

AGREED! However, the burning of a Quran and the building of a mosque are 2 opposite things. Burning a Quran is an act of HATE and INTOLERANCE. Building a mosque is a sign of UNDERSTANDING between muslims and non-muslims in the community.

Building a mosque on ground zero is not an act of understanding. It's a way for extremists to plant their flag at their place of victory. Where did all that money come from to build that complex ??? You'll be surprised when that info comes out.

But now we see a group threatening murder in retaliation. And nobody seems to care.

Seriously? Did you not read oozy's reply:

How about saying, "the vast majority of people don't seem to care. Is that better?

Im a Christian... But I would rather be beheaded, shot, blown up, gutted in the street, than associate with someone who would burn the holy book of another faith in protest. What an impotent and pathetic group. They should be ashamed of themselves.

To be honest , strong as my faith is... I think the best thing for the world would be if all who take up arms in the name of faith, or through fear of it, were dead. That would surely leave only persons who would fight for freedom, the only cause worth anything on this insane planet.

Originally posted by AshleyD

And for a preemptive rebuttal: Just like the building of a mosque is deemed to be insensitive and a slap in the face, it still falls under the freedom of religion. Likewise, the burning of a Koran is something I feel is dangerous and just as insensitive but it still falls under the freedom of protest.

You can't have it both ways.

Indeed! Well stated AshleyD!

IRM

I have a better idea to restore world peace:

All church leaders should just tell their congregations that God doesn't exist the way that all churches portrays it to exist, and that Jesus may have been a plagiarism of the old ancient Mithras, Horis, Chrisna, etc saviors (not saying that he didn't exist, but examining the story lines from previous saviors comes so close to Jesus' story line that it make it very questionable, and I am a guy that likes to work with absolute proof, not 'blind faith'). Then after all church leaders tells their congregation the truth, tell them that further congregating reunions will not be about religion any more, but for ways to better the world and our self without any more 'blind faiths', but based on science, the truth and absolute knowledge that could lead mankind to save it self if things like the 2012 predictions were to come true.

As for the other religions, such as islam, etc, have them do the same as my primary example, and have them congregate to find ways to better the world.

That way, no churches have to close, just do a massive change of 'doctrines' not longer based in a book called the Bible or the Koran or how ever you call it, but based on common sense, the bill of rights, and the law, and science.

THAT way, I can guarantee you that there wont be any more killings and wars because of differentials between ignorance (aka Religions)

//Edited to correct a few misspellings.

[edit on 11-8-2010 by FNetV1]

U americans make me laugh ur goverment orcastrates mass murder on live t.v then say it was a man in rags in a cave in the mountins and everyone believes it
then they say thers wmd's in america swore blind ther wer 7 years later no wmd's
then they put a black MUSLIM preident to control the country and hes done nothing new then the old ones
im not preaching because the british are just as bad the diffrence is we know wen the goverment is lieing to us its like u lot lost that selfawareness from u wen u left england
god save the queen

They were just talking about this on CNN and you know what? That preacher has not even read the Koran! You should never burn what you have not read.

So basically they are inciting the same outrage that would occur had a mosque had a bible burning session.....

Why do we have to breath the same air as these people and that is coming from a Christian!

I am a peace loving person - I do not agree with any of this garbage from either side. Religion has become nothing more than a flag to promote violence. I will be home on 9/11 hoping that the families of those that lost loved ones can find peace of mind and shelter from what is happening in this world.

While I 100% disagree with the burnig of the koran at this church. He is following a tradition that Christians performed it can be found in the book of

Acts ch 19 vs 19 Many of them also which used curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men: and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of silver.

So if they look at the koran as a evil book, then they wouold just be doing what the early Christian converts did.