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Fury as Israel president claims English are 'anti-semitic'

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posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 10:22 AM
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Who honestly cares what some goof-ball politician from Israel says about the UK anyway? Just let morons be morons.

IRM




posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 10:37 AM
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Indeed English are rather anti-semitic and arabo-philes.
sorry guys, English suck.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 10:48 AM
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This sort of thing happens when you give the 'natives' the right to run their own country.

They need someone from a 'bloody civilised' country to rule again.

reply to post by ProdigalSon

Why on Earth would you say that? Ever been to England? Know any English people?

[edit on 2/8/2010 by LightFantastic]



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 11:23 AM
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Either you have never been to England, or you have been horrificaly unlucky. Seriously , you would have to have the luck of a thousand cursed men to get that impression , either that or you are only listening to the propegandists.In comparison to the sheer hatred aimed at western people abroad, what a foriegn visitor or immigrant gets here is absolutely NOTHING to be worried about.
Also , your comments confuse me. You claim we are pro arab, but we are at war in Arabic nations right now, chasing down wild geese (terrorists). Yet you accuse us of anti semitism, and all we do is tell the Israelis when they are being over zealous in pursuit of saftey and security.
When I wonder, was the last time a British army officer, mistook a Jew for a terrorist and shot the hell out of him just in case?



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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just screwing around
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back to being serious,
one of the main problems in the modern world today as we know it is political correctness and how much importance it has in everyday life.
It's everybody's sacred right to give an opinion about someone or some nation or some group of people. It is the president's right to have an opinion about how anti-semitic english are. As much as it is everybody's right to question the holocaust without him being targeted as anti-semitic(i question the holocaust for example, but i like jews).
So why take this opinion of his so seriously, and why get angry at someone if he expresses what he feels.
Let's start to REALLY PROTECT FREEDOM OF SPEECH.

If you think i'm an idiot, or whatever, it is your opinion man, you have a right to think of me as you like, i'll not get hysterical over that, as much as i'd like to express freely about someone without it being taken as an ofence.

Political correctness is the means by wich we people take each others right to speak freely making the work of TPTB way easier towards a society of dictature.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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Agree with the above post, although this man suggested this was a view held officially (by his government) as opposed to a personal view.

By the way, the English are not 'known as anti-semetic' as far as I know, but they don't have the best reputation around the world due to a number of reasons:

1. Stereotypes (tea drinking, jolly old rich chaps)
2. Colonialism (remember England was at the head of the British Empire in it's heyday, the Queens/Kings have always been English and a lot of people outside England who have been to nations that have become independent can see what colonialism was like)
3. Abuse of human rights, aggressiveness (England have never been viewed very favourably by countries that have been in wars with them. Also, England's human rights record is by far one of the worst.)

England took advantage of it's dominant position, for a time, and nowadays people are wondering why the heck it's still such a rich country with such a (subjectively) high standard of living. The US is viewed in a similar light.

Oh, also the lads from English stag parties get so drunk they can hardly stand, then vandalize countries, start fights with locals and piss on people's doorsteps. They're not known for attractive behaviour.

Every country has it's stereotypes and legitimate problems, for England (or even the UK as a whole) anti-semetism isn't one of them.

[edit on 2-8-2010 by Baldur]



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by SevenThunders
reply to post by Britguy
 


So the anti-semites are out in force. Sorry to burst your bubble, but the Khazar theory of European Jewry was soundly disproven by that dreadful jewish science DNA analysis (see Frederick Sanger). Go back to reading your protocols of the elders of zion for more up to date information.


Anti-semite? Jeebus, you people just don't know when to quit!


What is it about ethnic cleansing, land theft at gunpoint and murder you seem to find so defensible or justifiable?
Given that most of us probably have some DNA remnants linking us to races long passed and to places far removed from where we now live, does that give any of us some right to expect those that now occupy that land, and have done for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years, to get the hell out and let us have it?

It's very likely that those peoples that Israel oppresses and murders are the true semitic people and the regional descendents of the biblical big boys. Think God is gonna let you all in the big house for killing the relatives of his favourite son?



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by mark-in-dallas
I am american and 1/2 jewish, yet I despise Israel. Does that make me anti-semetic?


I think that in their language that makes you a "self-hating Jew", like Chomsky and various other notables. Good company indeed.

On a more general note, that supposedly English saying does not exist. Just another lie in the warp and woof of Israeli propaganda.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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Baldur has it right about the English. we export yobbish behaviour in far greater numbers than any other country [not something we are proud of].

I did not vote for David Cameron but actually like the fact that he is prepared to speak his mind in these countries [he spoke his mind about Pakistan in India]. I get a little sick when these politicians come out with absolute drab speeches of neutrality that don't mean anything. David has ruffled a few feathers and has got people thinking about the British / Isreal relationship.

For the record, I don't believe that the English are anti-semitic. We have rivalryn through various sporting events nbioth locally (Scotland, France Wales) and from our colponial days (India, Australia, South Africa) but Isreal is one of the few countries we don't have rivalry nor not tried to subjugate

[edit on 2-8-2010 by templar knight]



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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You know, I actually hate being goaded into actually standing up for my country. I'm far from being some sort of knee-jerk patriot. But stupid stuff is stupid stuff...


Originally posted by Baldur
By the way, the English are not 'known as anti-semetic' as far as I know,


Actually, the theme of anti-semitism, particularly among the upper classes has been treated frequently in British literature. And my favourite essayist, George Orwell, has, of course some interesting things to say in a thought-provoking piece:

www.george-orwell.org...

And we'll look at a little more contemporary evidence later.


Originally posted by Baldur
but they don't have the best reputation around the world


This is pretty meaningless. I really hope you've been around the world a few times, in which case you might justifiably feel entitled to use this phrase. "Not the best reputation"... but not the worst, either.



due to a number of reasons:

1. Stereotypes (tea drinking, jolly old rich chaps)


Stereotypes are for idiots, and that particular stereotype is more asinine than most. Bringing a stereotype like this into this "argument" is not even wrong. And as a stereotype, it's hardly as repulsive, say, as the loud-mouthed, ignorant, ill-dressed American we love to hate. It has about as much relevance as Frenchmen wearing berets, striped tops and strings of onions about their necks.


2. Colonialism (remember England was at the head of the British Empire in it's heyday, the Queens/Kings have always been English and a lot of people outside England who have been to nations that have become independent can see what colonialism was like)


More idiotic drivel. The "Queens/Kings" have been French, Dutch and are currently of German descent. Yes, Britain had an Empire, and like any imperial power they had to subdue inconvenient natives who wanted to control their own countries. Personally, I suspect (although I don't have time to do a tally) that the US, for example, has a vastly more injurious effect on its empire than Britain: and I've had, to my surprise, personal experience of people in an ex-UK colony (Belize) who were actually pretty appreciative of what Britain had done for them, heaping praise on the educational system and various political acts - for example, the UK staved off a possible invasion of Belize by Guatemala (a US puppet state gripped with a particularly vicious government since a US-organised coup in the late fifties) by putting a couple of destroyers in port.

The above is not to deny the atrocities that have been committed by British Imperialists, merely to set them in a broader context. And as I say, I was really surprised by my time in Belize.


3. Abuse of human rights, aggressiveness (England have never been viewed very favourably by countries that have been in wars with them. Also, England's human rights record is by far one of the worst.)


The first sentence, again, is pretty dumb. Name a country viewed favourably by its wartime enemy. And back up that other assertion with some external reference, please. Otherwise it's just another dumb assertion in a torrent of drivel.


England took advantage of it's dominant position, for a time, and nowadays people are wondering why the heck it's still such a rich country with such a (subjectively) high standard of living. The US is viewed in a similar light.


Perhaps looking into the mysteries of economics will clarify your views here.


Oh, also the lads from English stag parties get so drunk they can hardly stand, then vandalize countries, start fights with locals and piss on people's doorsteps. They're not known for attractive behaviour.


This, on the other hand, I am not going to deny.

Every country has it's stereotypes and legitimate problems, for England (or even the UK as a whole) anti-semetism isn't one of them.


The Community Security Trust ( thecst.org.uk... ) is saying that it is a legitimate problem. Mind you, they're Jewish, but a cursory reading of this report suggests that they're at least trying to differentiate between anti-Israel and anti-semitic sentiment:


about one-third of incidents reported to the CST were rejected as being ”antisemitic” because they appeared on investigation, specifically anti-Israeli or merely critical of Israel without the use of antisemitic terms or images. An example of a rejected report was one of a car vandalised because it had an Israeli flag sticker on the back window.

When considering that more than 1 in 3 reports is rejected, we can see how scrupulous the CST has been to avoid allowing people to conflate criticism of Israel or Zionism in general with antisemitism.


I'm not quite sure I'm as confident about the CST's "scrupulousness" as the author, but they certainly seem to have made an effort.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 05:09 PM
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Yep they've fell for it hook line and sinker. By branding all of us they got the desired effect. Fake staged protesters I suppose because me? My opinion, I'm not bothered yet they the government got their asses in a twist? How long must this go on people? Seriously.
Its like racism. If I may?
Do any of you here hand on heart consider yourself as a racist?
If so is it because of something you have witnessed first hand? Or something you were influenced by wether films media news tv and radio.
I would put money on the answers.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 08:26 PM
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'Stupid' is a very subjective word.

I'm not speaking of solid facts here, but sentiments about the country. And yes, I've been around the world twice and set foot in every continent and from my personal experience only the US has been seen as worse since the recent wars (during Blair/Brown's time anyway).

1. Stereotypes
They may be for idiots, but they are also a very convenient way of composing an image of a nation's people, especially if you've never met somebody from the country, have met very few or have only met rich tourists. Oh, and there are a lot of idiots around the world.

2. Colonialism
I'll clarify that, the Kings/Queens of the commonwealth have mostly been English. Belize? How about asking an Aussie aborigine or Indian American? Apartheid? East India Trading Company ring any bells? Slavery? The Crusades? I accept that I'm going pretty far back, but even in the most restrictive countries, people know that much. America's another great example of a country that had to shed masses of blood to get independence from the Empire. I suppose some good sentiments remain from countries that were basically dropped from the roster due to in-sustainability on the part of the Empire but there have been plenty countries that have fought tooth and nail for their liberty, with good reason.

3. I'm saying they've not been viewed very favourably, if you've got any evidence to the contrary I'd love to see it. Here's two hints: England/America, England/Scotland. To be honest though, there's always groups sympathetic to both sides - I'm talking about mainstream opinion. I'm not going to bother backing either up, because it's common knowledge. Everybody knows England is really just another piece on the board for America to play anyway, especially since Cameron The PR Boy is elected - he seems to worship materialism.

4. Economics
Money is based on debt or deficit. Every English penny you own - if it came from a bank - is somebody else's debt to pay off.

5. Random sourced material

Read some Israeli newspapers, they're even funnier. Seriously, though, I read both the articles but I think Islamophobia's way more of a problem. I guarantee you a woman wearing a full-body veil would get more worried looks (or more averted eyes/hatespeech/whatever) than a Jew caricature wearing sidelocks, a black cloak and a black hat. Somebody who lives in England make an experiment of this and record it on a bus please, it'd be quite interesting.

Getting back to reality, Noam Chomsky is a Jew, and touches on anti-semitism in his Address to the UN made a week or so ago:



It's worth listening to, as he's a real smart guy and this is probably the most up to date video of his.

Oh, as for Orwell - that was written in 1945. World War II. Think about it.






[edit on 2-8-2010 by Baldur]



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 10:30 PM
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I was responding to this particular ridiculous excuse for hating Israeli Jews, namely claiming that they are not real Jews. I guess the amusing part about that, is the implicit acknowledgment that Israel does belong to the Jews, if we could only find the real ones. Hey maybe this is where British Israelism steps in. Although the UK has already tried to control Israel. How'd that work out for you?

As for the various propaganda pieces about Israel destroying an Arab village or whatever made up reason people hate Israel for. I don't buy it. 90% of this stuff is made up for propaganda purposes and given peoples propensity to hate Jews and hate Israel they'll believe anything.

Moreover no one gets unconditional support because everyone is evil and messes up now and then. Case in point. The French took sides in the massacre some years ago in Rwanda and aided and abetted the slaughter that killed over a million people. Maybe we should therefore hand France over to the Muslims because the French are clearly 'EEEEEVVVVilll'. Oh wait the French are doing that to themselves anyway.



posted on Aug, 2 2010 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by Pentothal

Fury as Israel president claims English are 'anti-semitic'


www.telegraph.c o.uk

Israel's president has accused the English of being anti-semitic and claimed that MPs pander to Muslim voters.

Shimon Peres said England was "deeply pro-Arab ... and anti-Israeli", adding: "They always worked against us."

He added: "There is in England a saying that an anti-Semite is someone who hates the Jews more than is necessary."
(visit the link for the full news article)



It is a widely known fact that tycoon George Soros spend an enormous amount of money to install Obama.
It is suspected he helped British PM Cameron too.
He admitted in public media that he intends to bring down Capitalism, replace it with a money less system, that he helps numerous NGO's which deal with Human Rights or otherwise are fronts for political activity in foreign countries. He has been identified as benefactor of far left fringe political groups.
He repeatedly stated how China (and probably other nations too) must be brought to a New World Order, meaning that Globalizationists see China and similar nationalistic societies as majorly resisting a multiculuralist New World Order and a new global economic system.
He admitted that he helped nations economies to be ruined.

He probably hates that Israel even exists since their nationalist view of things, which of course is not anything dissimilar from what many other states around it also keep, is a major drawback for a coming political and societal new era that all nations and people of the area of course under Muslim religion will come to enjoy in the future under the auspices of Turkey, a major Muslim political power in the area, which Soros possibly ALSO promotes.
So no wonder about the Israeli backlash against the recent British PM Cameron pro Muslim rhetorics during his meetings with the Turkish PM.

I just wished to have these facts added to the particular matter discussed in this thread. It is only fair since the Internet forums and blogs is rumored to be practically loaded with Soros supporters, that most times are getting paid real hard cash too to just sit there and promote his views on anything, especially, politics/religion.

My personal stance for the matter is that ..'sorry Mr Soros, I don't want to end up impoverished, Islamized, terrorized, spending everything I will be earning from my meager paycheck paying an 10x times more expensive electricity bill. In other words using whatever I earn just to survive, because you had your "visions" of a New World Order.'
In that context I think humanity was extremely lucky that an Israel as we know it exists. As if it was designed by the hand of God, which of course guys like Soros and also the political left in its entirety do not believe He really exists.

On politics and installments of governments and puppets.

Some more facts:
In the USA Mr Soros wanted Bush out the and the Socialist and pro Mulsim Obama in. He got it.
In Britain he wanted Brown to be out and Socialist and pro Muslim Cameron somehere in there. He got that too.
In Greece he wanted Karamanlis out and the Socialist and pro Muslim G.Papandreou in. Guess what. He got that too.
In France he wants Sarkozi out and Dominic Strauss Khan (the current head of the International Monetary Fund) Socialist and probably also pro Muslim Dominique Strauss Khan in.
Due to "unexpected circumstances" like the global economic meltdown and the later relentless attack of Mr Soros and his cohorts on numerous small Christian nations economies, mostly in southern Europe, which of course are located at the beach head that the large Islamic immigration wave that is continuously flowing from Asia and Africa is landing at, prior proceeding in Central and western Europe supposedly for seeking a better life. Due to these "circumstances" Mr Strauss Khan the 'chosen one' by Mr Soros to head France in the future is now at a favorable positions in the IMF in directing the economic futures of the said countries being at the beach head of this huge continuous immigration waves coming from Asia and Africa.

Someone should connect the freaking dots already...before this whole brewing mess turns Apocalyptic on our heads soon.

[edit on 3-8-2010 by spacebot]



posted on Aug, 3 2010 @ 01:45 AM
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You are confusing Jews with Israelis... they are not necessarily exclusively the same thing.
Jews are followers of Judaism, simply another religion. Israel is a country, set up by political mandate, not any natural or historic entity.

I have no problem with Jews, same as I have no problem with Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims or worshippers of the great green eyed Monkey God! As long as they do not try imposing their beliefs on me of course.

What I do object to, most strongly, is the attitude of superiority displayed by some Jews and their belief that they can do no wrong and will literally get away with murder. I don't care that those commiting the murder and destruction are Jews, I would still be just as critical if they were Christians or Muslim. They are known by their actions alone, not whatever God or holy books they follow.
Crying "anti-semite" every time someone criticises their actions is a simple game of deflection, and has been used far to often to be effective these days.



posted on Aug, 3 2010 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by plainPlaidplain
Answer me this: if practicing Jews don't accept Christ, then they're damned to hell (according to the fundamentalists). Correct? So why fly the flag of a nation that has a religious belief that are related to, but very different from their own. I cannot get any of the fundamentalists to explain this coherently. I suspect tha they secretly think that American Evangelicals are the 'Real Jews' or some nonsense and that any attempt by secularists and progressives to keep the theocracy in check gets them hallucinating that they're characters from 'Schindler's List'. #ing bizarre. Only in America.


The reason I believe is correct is: Because the fundamentalist Christians embrace the state of Israel because of its role in their own end-of-time theology... Who know.. Armageddon, Rapture, the war between Muslims and Jews in bringing about the Second Coming.

findarticles.com...


It's funny how big trues are told sometimes.

That's what happens when you mix religion and politics.

Separation of church and state now!



posted on Aug, 3 2010 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Who honestly cares what some goof-ball politician from Israel says about the UK anyway? Just let morons be morons.

IRM




Exactly



And it's cheering to note that the old fool ranting for attention is very old and Time will shut his mouth very soon. Another one down. Hurrah



posted on Aug, 3 2010 @ 09:09 AM
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These Israelis scream and shout alot ...



posted on Aug, 3 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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A Semitic person is someone who is either Arab or Jewish. So if anyone is a raving bigoted Anti-Semite, it's Pires.


Actually, the term Anti-semitic has nothing to do with the geographically placed Semitic people, but specifically Jewish people from anywhere in the world.


While the term's etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass ("Jew-hatred"),[2] and that has been its normal use since then.


Source

As for any claim that English people in general are Antisemitic, that is just preposterous! Do they know how many Jews live in England, who live perfectly harmonious lives with their fellow Brits? OK, there is the odd bad apple who may be antisemitic, but tell me one place on Earth where racism doesn't exist!

Bloody ingrates! If it wasn't for the UK and our allies, they would have been all but wiped out by the Nazis, not to mention they probably wouldn't even have Isreal at all!



posted on Aug, 3 2010 @ 10:21 AM
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I ashamedly have to agree with everything you said above about the british stereotype, although I should just point out that the current royal family are actually German and Philip is of Greek descent. William of Orange was a Belgian.

In fact, if you look here you'll see many of the Royals were not very English at all!



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