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If the arms have given you Independence only the Laws will give you liberty
You have seen all my efforts to plant liberty where it was before just Tyranny
Originally posted by JohnJasper
reply to post by The angel of light
thedman - after several attempts to test the water with you, I can see you're way too blinded with your extremist-Christian brainwashing for any real communication to occur here.
I thank you for providing me with sources that I wouldn't have uncovered myself which have helped me fully understand the real enemies of the Venezualan people, the very people and institutions that Chavez has to work hard to defend himself from.
I wish Chavez every success in a difficult world, I hope that he successfully implants socialism into Venezuala and hopefully inspires the international socialist revolution that is overdue by 90 years. I believe that Chavez would forgive you for your distrust in him. That is what he does, not what he says.
God help you for I've given up trying!
JJ
Originally posted by MonteroReal
Lol, this is a very funny thread, tell me, how many times have you come to Venezuela? how many times have you live in a poor "barrio" here? where u cant go out when is dark or walk with a nice necklace or shoes on your feet because somebody will kill you for it?
Originally posted by MonteroReal
The very enemies of the venezuelan people, my people because im venezuela is the people like you, is very easy to be a socialist in a First World Country
Originally posted by MonteroReal
you are not the one who have a presidents who say he is going to wipe you or anybody who thinks different, you are not the one who cant find a job because you dont agree with the gov, tell me, do the president of your country tells in TV that if his opponents wins more seats in the Parlament there is going to be war?
Originally posted by MonteroReal
anyway, you are not the going who see the quality life of the country decay every day more and more, you are not the one who goes to a supermarket and find no food, you are not the one who must have the electricity cut out 10 times a week.
Fortunately, I don't live in a barrio, ghetto, slum or even a poor neighborhood. How about you? Do you live in a barrio? These places exist all over the world so I don't have to go to Venezuala to visit one. I live in a small town with neighborhoods that I wouldn't walk around after dark. I thank my lucky stars that I'm not forced to live in one of these.
Millions of people around the world including the UK where I live have been added to the ranks of the unemployed and dispossessed. Whole sections of cities and towns are becoming barrios.
Why? Not because of Socialism. It's capitalism that is causing this.
Interesting comments and I've never heard about this before.
You're right because the US and UK are living quite well on the wealth that they've stolen from countries like yours. Chavez is working to keep that wealth in Venezuela to benefit the people according to both pro- and anti-Chavez reports. Apparently all is not perfect in Venezuela and obviously I don't know why. I suspect that things weren't great under the previous regime.
Did you vote for your new constitution at gunpoint? Were threats made against you to force you to vote for the changes?
Originally posted by MonteroReal
World Socialism would put an stop? lol, socialism is the one who says to me that i could not work in a industry owned by the gov because i was in a list of opponents to Hugo Chavez, and im not the only one, here the socialism with all the nationalizations is the one doing damage to the economy, more and more industry, bussiness closing every day, you can have a beautiful retoric and blame others, it doesnt matter, it didnt matter to comunist Russia or the eastern bloc, if socialism was so great, what happen to them? let me guess, "the big bad wolf Capitalism right?" like i say, come and live here and see your socialism in the work.
Originally posted by MonteroReal
Of course, Chavez is so great, he love us, our human rights.
Chávez amenaza con cortar el envío de crudo a Estados Unidos (translation by Google translator)
Earlier, Chavez said that companies like ExxonMobil "earn a day billions of dollars worldwide, operating in Africa, they are stealing to Latin America, they are stealing the world and here we were robbed.
“But here never again rob us, it would take over our dead bodies. ExxonMobil bandits, they are imperialist bandits, white collar thieves, corrupt government, overthrown, supported the invasion of Iraq and the bombing, and continue to support the genocide. Why are these companies like ExxonMobil, bandits, bandits of the world, global mafias. "
Originally posted by MonteroReal
But i suppose i understand you, USA is Bad, Chavez oppose USA, that means Chavez is good, is very simple.
Originally posted by MonteroReal
Maybe you would love this one, www.youtube.com... of course, the gov says they solve the problem, that the guy is crazy, sick, etc etc, he died two days ago in the militar hospital where he was being held against his will.
"Like vultures, they desired and hoped for his death," a government statement said of the Brito case, which has stirred up Venezuelan politics before the Sept. 26 vote.
Critics have seized on the emaciated farmer's death, in a protest over land he says was seized illegally in south Venezuela, as evidence of Chavez's abuse of property rights and cold indifference to opposition.
But the government says Brito's complaint had no basis in law and that his ownership of 717 acres (290 hectares) in Bolivar state had been repeatedly ratified by land authorities.
"We are obliged to reject the Phariseeism of the rotten media, the electoral opposition and the Catholic Church who encouraged Mr. Brito's extremism with the sole aim of having a death for their dirty banners,"
Originally posted by MonteroReal
More retoric, benefit the people? where? i dont see it, i only know that when i go to a supermarket i cant find butter or milk, i only know that most of the industries in my region are stopped, that my friends are fired because there dont support the gov, etc etc.
Originally posted by MonteroReal
BTW, Chavez before the elections where he becomes president
www.youtube.com...
Otunbayeva [leader of the provisional government] has blamed Bakiyev, who has fled to Belarus, for instigating the unrest in southern Kyrgyzstan, where clashes between the two main Kyrgyz ethnic groups – the Uzbeks and the Kyrgyz people – in the second largest city of Osh have left about 120 people dead. Bakiyev said that claims that he ordered the disturbances were shameless lies.
First you say you didn't actually live in a barrio, then say you no longer live in Venezuala, then say "come and live here." Do you mean where you are living now or where you were in Ven. or in the Venezualan barrio?
If you really want to know why the Soviet Union failed, read the SEP Foundation document which provides a deep insight as to why socialism failed in that nation along with plenty of supporting references.
You say this and then link to a video about Chavez threatening to cut off oil to the USA if they continue an economic war against Ven. Chavez is quoted as saying:
Then you link to another video that (according to google translator) says "Chavez threatens to 'remove the tanks "if the oligarchy gains power at the ballot box." I don't know what that means or if it's a mis-translation. It seems to roughly translate to Chavez or Bush defending the revolutionary government against any advancement of the oligarchy. It also seems to indicate that they are "threatening to imprison some opposition leaders for corruption or failure to respect the outcome of the November 23"
I'm not sure how this relates but I accept that it could be a language barrier problem.
The next one is easier because it specifically relates to the landowner/farmer who went on hunger strike and cut off his finger after losing so much of his land. I have yet to find out how he acquired his huge estate but he was certainly desperate to get it back.
I'm not sure what happened here or why Brito felt that it was worth dying for the land that he lost. I fully believe that the ultra-rich in every country will fight tooth and nail to keep their vast fortunes even knowing that it means people are dying somewhere else in the world. The oil companies are completely unfazed by the damage that they do to the little peoples' environments around the world so long as they make their disgusting profits. I won't feel sad for them if and when the revolution comes to them. I will instead blame them and the system that they profitted from for the inevitable outcome.
I'd rather see millions around the world fed, clothed and provided shelter than worry about billionaires having to live like normal human beings.
You see food shortages and think it's your government's fault. Perhaps you're right but I suggest that you investigate and find out where the real fault lies. If it is with the government, then tell them and broadcast it to the world via the internet. If it's not, then ask your government to do something about it and broadcast it to the internet. Only then will you know the truth.
Originally posted by MonteroReal
So like i say, come and live here, see it with your eyes and learn some spanish so you cant really understand what Chavez says.