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Originally posted by pexx421
the US, the greatest purveyor of violence, war, and terrorism in the world today. I do recall, the disclosed documents of the CIA training death squads in south america to rape, murder, and terrorize their citizens into subservience of dictators favorable to american corporate rape of their natural resources
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The year 1999, seventh month,
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols,
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.
Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by The angel of light
I see what you mean now. To be honest, I didn't know most of the things about him you are telling me now. I'm not sure if we can call him the antichrist, but he totally is a soldier of darkness, evil enough to twist Bolivar ideas and conviced to death he has a mission.
You got flagged brother.
[edit on 3-8-2010 by Trueman]
Originally posted by SevenThunders
Originally posted by pexx421
the US, the greatest purveyor of violence, war, and terrorism in the world today. I do recall, the disclosed documents of the CIA training death squads in south america to rape, murder, and terrorize their citizens into subservience of dictators favorable to american corporate rape of their natural resources
Get over it. I can see you are most envious of the greatest nation the world has ever seen. A nation who's very existence enables you to spread your self hating vitriol.
Without America all of the world would be in tyranny or made into lampshades. Aim your rhetoric at N. Korea or at the Taliban and see how far that gets you. Also please try to find an empire that has had a more benign role in world politics than the US. Don't hold your breath whilst doing so, you'll fall unconscious soon enough.
All your socialist dream states, like Maoist China and Stalin's soviet union were responsible for the slaughter of millions of their own citizens. Chavez wishes to create a civilization in their image. Is this the sort of thing you want to live in?
Possibly my friend you don't have historical memory to remember that 20 years ago the Soviet people exploited in social turmoils claiming for freedom and for democracy due to the fact that although they were living in a 1/6 of the total size of the planet, surrounded by a lot of natural resources, they were starving and living in misery after 70 years of supposed paradisiac rule.
...we are all free to express our incomformity in public, something that is a real luxury in Venezuela on these days where many of the civil rights and the free press are only now History, where the people has to follow a psycotic Tyrant that is clearly obssesed with the idea that he is the reincarnation of a turboculosian militar that lived 200 years ago.
Mérida, March 26th 2010 (Venezuelanalysis.com) – On Thursday, Venezuelan authorities temporarily detained Guillermo Zuloaga, the president of a prominent opposition-aligned television station Globovision, for disseminating false information about the two-day coup d’état against democratically elected President Hugo Chavez in April 2002.
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Investigations carried out after the coup revealed that opposition-aligned policemen were responsible for the sniper shootings of both pro-Chavez and opposition protestors, and that prominent television stations, including Globovision, manipulated video images to frame Chavez’s supporters as the culprits in order to legitimate the coup regime.
Zuloaga’s arrest also follows the arrest on Monday of former Zulia governor Oswaldo Alvarez Paz for disseminating false information. Alvarez Paz appeared on a political talk show on Globovision accusing the Chavez government of supporting terrorism and drug trafficking, accusations which the Chavez government denies and says are part of a U.S.-backed media campaign to justify military intervention.
US attacks Venezuela: “press freedom” as a pretext for intervention
Washington’s concern with press freedom is highly selective. It is worth pointing out that the hue and cry it has raised over the fate of RCTV is joined by a virtual silence over the wholesale attack on the media by one of its key allies in the “war on terrorism.” Pakistani dictator Gen. Pevez Musharraf issued a decree Monday giving his government blanket power to shut down any independent television network. The regime has systematically blocked the transmission of TV stations that have reported on the growing constitutional crisis over Musharraf’s sacking of Pakistan’s chief justice.
The hypocrisy of the Bush administration’s supposed devotion to press freedom was spelled out clearly in a State Department briefing Monday. The department’s spokesman denounced “the non-democratic actions that the Venezuelan Government has taken,” called for RCTV to be “reopened” and extolled the street demonstrations organized largely by right-wing anti-government parties as a fight for “democracy.”
Asked just minutes later about the suppression of the press in Pakistan, the spokesman was exceedingly circumspect, allowing only that Washington is “watching it closely.” He continued, “This is an issue that the Pakistani people and the Pakistani Government need to resolve within the confines of their law.”
Yet this is precisely what was done in Venezuela. Matters were resolved under an existing law, which empowers the government to grant or deny privately owned broadcast corporations the right to use public airwaves to the extent that it benefits the public. RCTV has not been disbanded, nor have its directors been arrested or its equipment confiscated. Its license expired and was not renewed. Instead, the channel was given to a new public television station, TVes—Venezuela Social Television.
It is also worth noting that the government of Alan Garcia in Peru, less than two months ago, yanked the broadcasting licenses of two TV stations and three radio stations, apparently because of their support for a strike. Again, no outcry from Washington.
Venezuela, RCTV, And Media Freedom: Just The Facts, Please
Lessons In Curtailing Media Freedom
There are a number of ways to curtail press freedom. You can charge a journalist with murder and put him on death row-Mumia Abu-Jamal, for instance. You can grant special favors, privileges, and access to corporate media giants while raiding and shutting down low-power, independent radio stations, which the FCC does with some regularity. You could arrest...
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Venezuela, RCTV, And Media Freedom: Just The Facts, Please
Lessons In Curtailing Media Freedom
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...independent journalists at anti-war demonstrations-again, a regular occurrence. For instance, I recall my friend and Indy journalist, Jeff Imig, who has been repeatedly threatened with arrest, while recording anti-war demonstrations in Tucson, Arizona, for violating the statute against filming federal buildings. Jeff finally got arrested-for jaywalking! Corporate press, on the other hand, seems to have free reign to jaywalk and film federal buildings at these same events-behavior I and countless others have witnessed!
And then there is the Mother of All Media Manipulations: the blackout engineered by the Bush administration which blocks media from showing the arrival of body bags and coffins of newly dead soldiers "coming home" from Iraq.
Those are some pretty good ways of curtailing freedom of speech. And they're each and everyone home grown right here in the good ol' United States of America.
So what's the deal with Venezuela, anyway?
So, pardon me if I'm just a little astounded by all this noise in the media, the Bush administration, the Senate and the House, about how Venezuela is "attacking" free speech and independent media by not renewing the broadcasting license of RCTV. Perhaps even more disturbing is that this ridiculous assertion is being repeated even among some persons on the Left.
Venezuela, RCTV, And Media Freedom: Just The Facts, Please
Lessons In Curtailing Media Freedom
In April of 2002, there was a two-day, illegal coup carried out against Venezuela's electoral government, which involved the kidnapping and jailing of President Hugo Chavez. There were four major media outlets, along with others, who actively aided and abetted this coup (more later). In the intervening five years, none of them were closed, nor were any of their journalists incarcerated. Rather, the Chavez administration met with them, not to change their editorial slant, but to reach agreements preventing a repeat of such anti-democratic measure and the hyperbolic misrepresentation of facts, and also to discourage such continued infractions as the airing of pornography and cigarette commercials.
Originally posted by The angel of light
What coup d'etat against Hugo Chavez is that you mention?
If you are refering to the facts of 2002 it is really dared and completly biased to qualify it as a Coup d'etat, since it was actually a genuine popular revelion against a regime that it is hatred by the great majority of Venezuelans, and in that sense it was a perfectly legitimic act, it was the trully Act of the dignity of the venezuelan People claiming for the end of a Tyranny that violated the compromises any ruler assumes with the nation in a Democratic system when it takes office.
Originally posted by The angel of light
When a President takes office he swares to defend the democracy and the constitution, and Chavez neither defended the democracy, neither preserved the constitution of Venezuela in which he was elected President.
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in the 1998 presidential elections, one of Chávez's electoral promises was to organise a referendum asking the people if they wanted to convene a National Constituent Assembly. His very first decree as president was thus to order such a referendum, which took place on 19 April. The electorate were asked two questions – whether a constituent assembly should be convened, and whether it should follow the mechanisms proposed by the president. The "yes" vote in response to these two question totalled 92% and 86%, respectively.
Originally posted by The angel of light
Now did Hugo Chavez respected that compromise?
Of course not, he instead has worked so hard to control through the power state the will of the venezuelan people, moreover he openly declared that his political project is to implant marxist socialism in the country and the first act of his goverment was to promise he was going to supress the democratic constitution of 1961 and change it for a new Marxist one in 1999 to give him all the extrapower he requires to erase any shadow of liberty in Venezuela and implant the same communist model of Cuba.
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The Constitution of 1999 was the first constitution approved by popular referendum in Venezuelan history, and summarily inaugurated the so-called "Fifth Republic" of Venezuela due to the socioeconomic changes foretold in its pages, as well as the official change in Venezuela's name from the República de Venezuela ("Republic of Venezuela") to the República Bolivariana de Venezuela ("Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela"). Major changes are made to the structure of Venezuela's government and responsibilities, while a much greater number of human rights are enshrined in the document as guaranteed to all Venezuelans – including free education up to tertiary level, free quality health care, access to a clean environment, right of minorities (especially indigenous peoples) to uphold their own traditional cultures, religions, and languages, among others. The 1999 Constitution, with 350 articles, is among the world's longest, most complicated, and most comprehensive constitutions.
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The website of the PSUV allows for some insight into the ruling political party. It provides a link to the Venezuelan constitution (one of Chávez’s goals has been to make certain that every Venezuelan, particularly members of the lower classes, had a personal copy of the country’s constitution), as well as interactive webpages like El Muro del Pueblo de Venezuela (The Wall of the Venezuelan People). This page provides a forum where users can write comments that are then posted on the website for everyone to view.
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Artful in using the electronic media, Chávez created his now famous talk show Aló Presidente, where he would, on live television and radio, directly answer calls from Venezuelan citizens. Because of the show’s admitted popularity, Chávez has been using it as his own personal vehicle to communicate to his followers his current concerns and actions
Originally posted by The angel of light
But that was not all , he decided that it was needed to give him more extraordinary powers to bring socialism to the country and to remain in the power until 2019! so he tried to reform his own constitution agaiin in 2009,
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In 2007, Chávez proposed a constitutional reform with amendments to 33 existing articles, including the possibility of unlimited presidential reelection, more powers for the national government to move forward with its plans for “21st Century Socialism,” and existence hedgings of the right of private property. Parliament proposed additional amendments to another 36 articles, and a draft text for a national referendum was prepared.
On December 3 of that year, the constitutional reform package was narrowly turned down by 51 percent of voters (CNE), which signified Chávez’s first defeat at the ballot box in the 11 elections that were carried out since he was first voted in as president in December 1998.
Originally posted by The angel of light
On the protest acts of 2002 three millions of people in a free demonstration of rejection to the tiranny invaded the streets of Caracas and other cities claiming for the end of the Dictatorship, for the return to a trully Democracy.
3. Wiki: 2002 Venezuelan coup d'état attempt (oops, they probably meant to say "rebellion")
On 9 April 2002, the Confederación de Trabajadores de Venezuela (CTV), led by Carlos Ortega called for a two-day strike. Fedecámaras joined the strike/lockout and called on all of its affiliated member businesses to shut down for 48 hours. Two days later, amid rapidly escalating tensions, hundreds of thousands of people marched to the PDVSA headquarters in defense of its recently dismissed management board. Unexpectedly, the organizers decided to re-route the march to Miraflores, the presidential palace, where a pro-Chávez demonstration was taking place.
Originally posted by The angel of light
It was the brave People the one that for 72 heroic hours defeated this neocommunist regime and it was the corrupted side of the army the one that returned Chavez to the Power, that is something extremly clear.
Originally posted by The angel of light
By other side no body that remains 12 years in the Presidency of State and reforms the constitution in order to assure his will to continue in that job for at least other 7 years can be classified in other way than to a Dictator, so among Carlos Andres Perez and Hugo Chavez Frias there are clear distinctions, the first one respected the constitution of the People of Venezuela and the terms for which he was elected but the later didn't respect anybody in his thrist of more power.
Originally posted by The angel of light
To claim tha tthe seudo Constitution of 1999 is the only one supported by the People of Venezuela in all its History is a great sophism of distraction, such a claim is not only exagerated but dramatically false.
Originally posted by The angel of light
The National Constitution of 1961...
Originally posted by The angel of light
We have accostume ourselves to see him saying which candidate he supports in the Presidential elections of Mexico 2006, Nicaragua, Salvador, Peru, and even in Columbia 2010.
"It is very important not to meddle in the domestic affairs of other countries. It is not our concern to support one candidate or another. This is a decision that voters will have to make in each country. We respect people's sovereign decision," said the US Assistant Secretary of State for Western Hemisphere Affairs Arturo Valenzuela, referring to comments made by Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez.
Originally posted by The angel of light
But are we going to be surprised of this reactions? of course not if Chavez has menaced several times the USA to cutoff oil exportations if we continue supporting Columbia:
From your Commentary Magazine source alleging anti-Semitism, the actual words of Chavez' speech:
"The world has enough for everybody, but it happened that some minorities—the descendants of those who crucified Christ, the descendants of those who ejected Bolívar from here and who crucified him in their own way in Santa Marta, over in Colombia—took possession of the riches of the world. A minority appropriated the world’s gold, the silver, the minerals, the waters, the good lands, the oil, and has concentrated the riches in a few hands."