I would rather like to see a poll on how many % who believes that the US is heading towards Corporate Fascism instead.
Because what many of us here in Europe are seeing in the US are not Socialism as we know, and have known Socialism in Europe.
I know there's a big difference when you compare the political spectrums of Europe and the U.S - and it's impossible to directly compare the two on
the same spectrum.
And most Americans and Europeans can not even agree upon a common and correct definition of Socialism here on ATS!
But who's right - who has the most correct political spectrum to call someone a socialist?
Many Europeans would probably say Europe since both Fascism & Socialism and Liberalism were invented and implemented here in our systems first.
And I have even heard that the Liberals are called socialists by some people? I mean c'mon, if you call a genuine Liberal who stands for total
economic freedom (Liber = Free - in Latin) and stands for more individual freedom, a socialist? - how damn extreme right wing would you not then be
And now some are saying that the nazi's had socialist politics - how darn right wing would they then not be themselves to even consider and claim
that the nazi's of Germany in the late 1930's were a leftist party?
I think this problem occur when you compare your political systems with those in Europe ONLY on the American "economic scale" in the analysis.
In Europe when we are analysing political systems - the SOCIAL axis/scale
of the society have always been of the same importance as the
economic axis to get a fair analysis of political parties in our societies.
But to be fair, the political spectrum as a whole, has now drifted towards the right and towards the more economic neo-liberalism right in politics
since those days - much of this because of the growing globalisation process.
(A good example of this would be the "Leftist" British Labour Party who used to be on the ideological and economical left on the European political
spectrum - but has now the last 40 years drifted up over toward the right side on the spectrum)
Here we can clearly see how the "Leftist" Labour has drifted way into the right field over the years since 1970's.
How The Parties Have Shifted:
(Sorry for using the UK as an example to make my point, but it's the same all over Europe, and most "main" parties has been drifting upwards to the
autoritarian right and towards more economic neo-liberalism these last 25-40 years.)
Adam Smith's and the classical Liberalism of that time meant total economic freedom (Capitalism) & free markets guided by the invisible hand (the
free market forces) - they were like the "freedom party people" down on the Libertarian Right on the spectrum.
But he was not a 100% laissez-faire-liberal because he also believed that some Governmental "public" institutions were needed for the society - and
at the same time he wanted the Governments to serve the people and help the free market, and not the other way around.
But that was a long time ago, and Adam Smith ideas and theories has now been perverted by lobbyism and corporate interests & mega-monopolies, and the
rules of the "free market" has been destroyed by Corporatism.
So the classic Liberalism which was invented in the Industrial Britain in the old days can not possibly be compared with what Liberalism and to be a
Liberal means today in the U.S.
Today's Liberal parties of the EU are considered to be mostly center-right socially, and some of them are hardcore neo-liberalists on the economical
And what about your founding fathers? wasn't many of them (by the European spectrum and standards) Liberals and Progressives who wanted to break away
from the Conservative system and the status quo with England? In Europe they would had been considered to be extreme progressive in comparison with
(But it's probably constructed and done this way to confuse people - LOL!)
Now it's up side down and no more black & white in comparison, and the two parties had the other one's political platform and agenda back then -
haven't they almost also changed places with eachother on the political spectrum since the old days?
The political definition of several parties has surely changed a lot through the times.
And what we are seeing is a move up towards the Authoritarian Right (Fascism) and to the extreme form of perverted corpocratic neo-liberalism in the
We are not seeing classical Socialism of the people for the people - what we are seeing is some kind of perverted bailout socialism only for the rich
and for the Corporations - they are Privatising the profits and are socialising the losses to the masses!
That is not Socialism - that is Corporate Fascism!
The Corporations are letting you and the taxpayers to pay the bill for their risky investments!
But I know one thing for sure - you can't yet compare by name the political systems of Europe and the U.S with eachother directly, you have to factor
other stuff into the equation - otherwise, the result of our political analysis will end up wrong and always be skewed.
[edit on 31-7-2010 by Chevalerous]