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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:20 PM
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It is of my belief 'scientists' (society and religions) are the buzz kill for spiritualism.

Why are you even on this thread?


OP....you are very diplomatic and I applaud you for your decorum when dealing with this out-of-place poster!




posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:23 PM
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Is this thread not open to all ATS visitors, and are all ATS visitors invited to post comments? Or, is this an exclusive club?

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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:24 PM
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Hello again,

And thank you for understanding !



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:27 PM
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I think science, philosophy, literature, and the possibility of life on other planets are interconnected. It is a matter of seeing without bias, and to understand all the subjects in a comprehensive manner.

Within the post you were referring, I pretty much covered all the subjects in this thread. Query about reincarnation, death, evolution, and life on other planets. How it is all 'possibility' interconnected, and a 'possible' answer to some of the experiences people are going through.

If we reject sciences and religions, we reject the 'possibility' of what might be happening to people on a subconscious level.

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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:32 PM
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Yes, a kind of intellectual approach, and intertwined also is the archaelogical evidence, historical, and myths of ancient people. Not to mention things such as the red haired mummies, the Hopi legends, Mayans, the Terra Papers, and Sumerain translations.

But, seeking within in meditation and even sungazing, really more like sunblinking and especially when its filtered through leaves, journal writing, hemisysnc, binaurals, alpha, theta, programming yourself at night before sleep to remember your dreams, to solve problems in sleep, and to experience your Higher Self, or memories of who you are and a past life.

You can seek and activate more connections to your left hemisphere, and go further, past the intellectual into your own knowing. Waking up.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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Did not a group of sleep specialist and psychologists recently say that dreams are caused by your brain trying to reorganize new information?

Meditation is when a person slightly strikes up against dreamscape; thus, the mind tries to turn what it hears in the environment into imagery. You are not fully awake, nor are you fully asleep.

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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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"They" tryin to show individuals what a world woken up would be like, BUT AT ON THIER TIME< not all together which would blow the whole system up. Beware dirty deals through 666- the light bearer who has infiltrated our minds through the love of technology.
honestly, you have no choice but to agree to dissagree if you're a good human.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:39 PM
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Or, is that not an excuse to say that you do not agree? Nothing in this world has one possible answer, but there are constants to certain human limitations.

Religion and science exist flawed alone, but they create a more interesting perspective of life when unified.

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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by One Moment
 


Is this thread not open to all ATS visitors, and are all ATS visitors invited to post comments? Or, is this an exclusive club?

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Of course it's open to all but to derail this with your arm-chair biased quid pro quo analysis kinda got this off track a bit.

You attempted to open up the OP like he was some sorta standard artichoke. You knew exactly how (and why) he was going to taste even before you dip him in butter. (bad analogy but.....who cares!)

So you m'dear friend, became to me, someone I wouldn't particularly want on my thread dealing with this particular subject matter.

It's a very isolating and sometimes lonely subject to live with. You either think you've gone mad or.....you are truly blessed. It's that extreme!

And personally, I've been defending myself (not with great conviction because I don't have the memories like OP does) for 13 years now. And ATS has always been like a refuge to me and you're acting like a psychoanalyst security agent.......kicking us out.

That's all.
Carry on.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:50 PM
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Originally posted by Section31
reply to post by Unity_99
 

Did not a group of sleep specialist and psychologists recently say that dreams are caused by your brain trying to reorganize new information?

Meditation is when a person slightly strikes up against dreamscape; thus, the mind tries to turn what it hears in the environment into imagery. You are not fully awake, nor are you fully asleep.

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Sleeping is unconscious meditation, meditation is conscious sleep.

Any humble scientist will tell you that anything in science is not 100% nor is there such thing as scientific fact.

Science understands what it observes and comes to theoretical conclusions with observations of mechanisms not the underlying reasoning behind those mechanisms.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by One Moment
So you m'dear friend, became to me, someone I wouldn't particularly want on my thread dealing with this particular subject matter.

It's a very isolating and sometimes lonely subject to live with. You either think you've gone mad or.....you are truly blessed. It's that extreme!...

Hmmm... Sounds like a touch of arrogance. Before you can understand yourself, others, or your place in the universe, you must become humbled by the lessons you learn in life. We are all blessed to be alive, period.

If you paid attention to what I have been writing, I have stayed lock-and-step with the conversation at hand. Everything in this thread is based upon a philosophical interpretation of someone's experiences. Why did he have them? Why did they happen on a subconscious level, and could they be connected to the larger themes of life here and elsewhere.

Science, philosophy, psychology, and literature must not be dismissed. It should be his starting point, so he can obtain a better understand of himself. If we dismiss those elements in our conversation, we would have no point of reference to begin our examination. We must learn from those who came before us, so we can understand how we as a species behave, think, and evolve. Its all connected.

Maybe he has external issues to deal with, and they are playing out in his subconscious. Maybe 'the powers that be' are sending us all information subconsciously about life. It is all philosophical, psychological, and a touch of scientific logic.


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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:07 PM
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Do you seriously think science, philosophy, psychology and literature are being bandy about on a universal level?

You have too much footing here on Earth. Your ideologies are too Earthbound.

By the way, I am the least arrogant person you'll ever meet. My posts might have a bit of bite to them but that's just the way I express myself.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by One Moment
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Do you seriously think science, philosophy, psychology and literature are being bandy about on a universal level?

Yes, I do believe that another species living out there somewhere is asking, "Who am I, what am I made up of, and why do we behave in such a manner?" I think they have their own philosophies, sciences, psychologies, and literary resources. If he is talking about a past life (or a life on another planet), those things I listed are a measurement of intelligence and awareness.

"Who am I?" - Can be defined philosophically, psychologically, and scientifically.

"What am I?" - Can be defined philosophically, psychologically, and scientifically.

"How did I get here?" - Can be defined philosophically, psychologically, and scientifically.

"Why am I here?" - Can be defined philosophically, psychologically, and scientifically.

When it comes to literary pieces, they are philosophical, psychological, and scientific examinations of the question "Why?". All of it.

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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:26 PM
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You know what it is? If you haven't experienced something (and I don't like this word but....) paranormal, you have no relationship to the experience. Therefore, your limited opinions get null and void.

It's like me listening to someone who had an OBE (and me, never having one) and telling him that 'it was your mind playing tricks'. I can only imagine how insensitive that would be.
No, I take that back. I don't have to imagine, I've been dealing with just that.

These experiences aren't something that happened last week. We've had many years to try to 'explain' them away. And believe me, it's a lot easier to clump this all into some type of psychological breakdown. I really wanted it to be that.

Can't you even consider, that when this happens to someone.....and it DOES....everything we've ever known, is taken away. Everything we've been taught is wrong. Everything essentially gets turned inside out and upside down. And....there's nothing to reference it to and no where, to turn (except UFO communities. I thank Budd Hopkins so very much....)

I know I've been in another dimension. I can't even begin to explain it. There are no modern words for my experience. I suppose it's like someone trying to explain color to a blind person.

So try to have a little more understanding. Open your mind up. Science has been proven wrong over and over and over again. It's too limiting.

We are now exploring black matter and wormholes. Quantum physics. And once it's publicly declared that we DO live among several different dimensions (and the audience claps)....then maybe, just maybe, our experiences won't seem too far-fetched.
So until then, please don't try to correct something that needs no correction.
For it's you that needs the modification.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by One Moment
You know what it is? If you haven't experienced something (and I don't like this word but....) paranormal, you have no relationship to the experience. Therefore, your limited opinions get null and void.

Can religion (a philosophy) be based upon supernatural phenomenon (paranormal elements)? Are the interpretation of those elements based upon a philosophical and scientific examination of the there and now?

Your words have definitions, correct? Definitions are based upon scientific set of paradigms, which relationships are formed between meaning and words.

How can a language exist without meaning?
How can body language exist without meaning?



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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:30 PM
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Science measures, observes, and concludes theories of physical nature - it cannot determine anything other then the observable reality; thus, anything other than the observable reality cannot be dismissed as existent or inexistent. There are underlying mechanics of the observable reality which are not understood because they can not be observed, measured, or concluded.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:32 PM
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Hello again section31,

You wrote "Maybe he has external issues to deal with, and they are playing out in his subconscious."

Now it's my turn asking questions, if you don't mind.

How and why would you assume that I have external issues?

Don't we all?

Do you assume that ALL adbuctees have external issues?

Do YOU have external issues?

This is just friendly talk, really, for I don't give a rat's a$$ about people not believing it. I didn't post it for them. And if you notice, I don't reply to them either.

So, section31, what's your take on external issues. I think this is still on topic. Serious questions require serious answers. If it doesn't become too personal.


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posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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1. Was the alien physical or spiritual/astral?

2. Do most aliens exist above/beyond/higher than the 3rd density?

Thanks.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Language is limited to 3D Beings. In fact, language keeps 3D Beings even MORE separated.

The universe is telepathic.

And now.... no offense to you, I'm not meshing too well with you.
We are on different paths, different levels (not that any one level is better than the other) but I simply don't want to debate this anymore with you.

Take your ideologies & discussions and share them with the others. I almost see you (as educated as you appear) like some sort of caveman (or woman).

Peace



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 09:45 PM
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Not a religion. Religions as in institutions and credo are not the same thing as spirituality, meditation, psi development, remote viewing, telepathy, quantum physics/metaphysics, and experiences. They just are wonderful development.

On a reality check way, for ETs, they do expereince the multiverse and are aware of not only their Higher Selves, but ours. There are on a higher grade and have expanded consciousness and processors, more telepathy and psi.

You don't need a religion to expereince the spiritual metaphysics. For someone who has, its not trying to force others to see, its more being provocative. For example I share what I have been given and remember to nudge others. To throw a crowbar into their matrix, even if they don't change their minds, I still know a window opened and something they maybe hadn't thought of just became a possibility for them.

So, ultimately, its sharing what we each know, our truth and inner search and experiences, and encouraging others to seek themselves.

That encouraging others to meditate, contemplate issues such as time, no time, infinity, to seek to remember who they are and have profound experiences, and share your own, is not a religion, it is a spiritual metaphysics practice.

Also, I encourage for anyone seeking deep inner knowing to journal write and take notes. You'll soon be having more sychronicities than could be called coincidence. By soon, depends on person perhaps, 2 months, 3, 6. The benefits of meditation for your health are pretty well documented.

Also there are studies done that meditation holding peace has lowered the crime rates and also shelling during warzones.





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