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WikiLeaks Posts Mysterious 'Insurance' File

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posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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In theory the file and WL could be a total setup or sting operation. However, if you read any history about the man in charge you see that there is too much there to be a setup. He has a track record and long history of statements that suggest he is a person obsessed with getting the truth out governments usually want covered up.

This man is just what the doctor ordered for our sick society. Its time to air the dirty laundry that has been hidden from sight too long.




posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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Since my last post was about that trollage i didn't elaborate on a slightly more important subject that is the latest Bruce Schneier's blog post and since i don't want you to miss it then i'm going to give it due attention here.
Bruce Schneier is a cryptographer and computer security specialist.



If WikiLeaks wanted to prove that their "insurance" was the real thing, they should have done this:
- Encrypt each document with a separate AES key.
- Ask someone to publicly tell them to choose a random document.
- Publish the decryption key for that document only.
That would be convincing.
In any case, some of the details might be wrong. The file might not be encrypted with AES256. It might be Blowfish. It might be OpenSSL. It might be something else. Some more info here.


I completely agree with him, if WL had done this then it would have been more convincing, and this would have ruled out completely the speculations on whether WL wanted the insurance cracked open from the outside.

The "here" in the last sentence links straight to cryptome that published some extract from this very thread and it seems interesting we share the same doubts about the encryption, AES, Blowfish and OpenSSL... only he invented Blowfish


Bruce, wanna join and share some of your thoughts and insights into this with us?



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 04:05 PM
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I have no idea about cracking this file etc but i have just opened it in excel and it contains about 180,000 line of random text but the first line says the word SALTED. Could this be the password? has anyone else opened the filein excel to see what i am talking about?

Like i said i have no idea what it means etc...



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 04:17 PM
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@jrmcleod
You will not be able to do anything with it in any way until it's decrypted: i'm quite comfortable to say it has been encrypted by the openssl utility or something else using the openssl libraries due to the "Salted__" magic number you noticed in it: the type of cypher being used, however, is still open to debate although AES256 has been mostly mentioned due to the obvious reference made by the file's extension, but this isn't certain at all.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 04:55 PM
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Originally posted by dudez
@jrmcleod
You will not be able to do anything with it in any way until it's decrypted: i'm quite comfortable to say it has been encrypted by the openssl utility or something else using the openssl libraries due to the "Salted__" magic number you noticed in it: the type of cypher being used, however, is still open to debate although AES256 has been mostly mentioned due to the obvious reference made by the file's extension, but this isn't certain at all.


So basically its impossible to decrypt without the password?

Surely there is someone on this planet with the know how? You'd think they would have some sort of failsafe/backdoor that someone knows about!

Grrrrr!



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 05:22 PM
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Uhm well, if WL wanted us to crack it open then the password should be somewhat guessable, but at now, everything concerning this file are just words.

This article is interesting btw, a Brazilian banker managed to baffles FBI by encrypting his hot stuff with a quite familiar cypher


[edit on 4-8-2010 by dudez]



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 05:24 PM
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Originally posted by misinformational
reply to post by TruthMagnet
 


Be enlightened: books.google.com...

Edit to add: The fun begins in Chapter 1 Section 2

[edit on 2-8-2010 by misinformational]


Ahh - very cool - a good read in fact!

Thx for the enlightenment!!




posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 06:06 PM
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I think the insurance file contains the diplomatic cables.

Quote from the Manning-Lamo conversation:
(1:47:36 PM) bradass87: im sorry, there's so many... its impossible for
any one human to read all quarter-million... and not feel overwhelmed...
and possibly desensitized
(1:48:20 PM) bradass87: the scope is so broad... and yet the depth so rich
(1:48:50 PM) Adrian: give me some bona fides ... yanno? any specifics.
(1:49:40 PM) bradass87: this one was a test: Classified cable from US Embassy Reykjavik on Icesave dated 13 Jan 2010
(1:50:30 PM) bradass87: the result of that one was that the icelandic
ambassador to the US was recalled, and fired
(1:51:02 PM) bradass87: thats just one cable...
Source

The cable referenced is 6.86KB.
260,000 x 6.86KB = 1,783,600 KB = 1,741 MB = 1.7 GB.
That is in the ballpark of 1.4GB.

They probably don't want to release it before Manning is sentenced, as it would surely negatively impact his trial.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 06:08 PM
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> AES256. It might be Blowfish. It might be OpenSSL. It might be something else.

Hrm, that is interesting.

In fact, I had originally sent two emails to wikileaks. The first one was just the AES ONION code. There was no response to that email.

The second email which I posted here in this thread, was the blowfish sample code using ONION and ROUTER.

It was to that email that someone there responded saying "you almost got it!"

So that could "possibly" be a hint that it is encrypted using blowfish.



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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I was reading a couple of WL articles when an idea popped into my head. A bit of speculation here:

Suppose that Wikileaks is worried about releasing material that would place them in obvious and direct legal liability. Suppose then, that instead of releasing the material, they encrypted it and threw it up on their site - under the guise of "insurance".

Should these suppositions hold water, then one could deduct that, in fact, WL did encrypt this material with a key(s) that were easily, or perhaps just possibly, guessed. In doing this, one could possibly conclude that this particular means of dissemination would allow WL to plausibly-deny they ever intended to release the material to begin with, relinquishing them of any legal liability

If only speculating mattered.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by misinformational]



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 10:47 PM
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Freedommusic should my code look like this?

#!/bin/sh

pws=('superpasswordarchive.txt');
names=(aes-128-cbc aes-128-ecb aes-192-cbc aes-192-ecb aes-256-cbc
aes-256-ecb base64 bf bf-cbc bf-cfb
bf-ecb bf-ofb cast cast-cbc cast5-cbc
cast5-cfb cast5-ecb cast5-ofb des des-cbc
des-cfb des-ecb des-ede des-ede-cbc des-ede-cfb
des-ede-ofb des-ede3 des-ede3-cbc des-ede3-cfb des-ede3-ofb
des-ofb des3 desx rc2 rc2-40-cbc
rc2-64-cbc rc2-cbc rc2-cfb rc2-ecb rc2-ofb
rc4 rc4-40 rc5 rc5-cbc rc5-cfb
rc5-ecb rc5-ofb );

mkdir -p outfiles;

for pass in $[pws[@]]
do
for name in $[names[@]]
do
of=outfiles/out_"$pass"_$name.dec;
openssl enc -d -$name -in insurance.aes256 -out $of -pass pass:$pass;
if [ $? -ne 0 ]; then
rm -f $of;
else
echo GOOD: $of;
fi
done
done

exit 0;



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by misinformational
I was reading a couple of WL articles when an idea popped into my head. A bit of speculation here:

Suppose that Wikileaks is worried about releasing material that would place them in obvious and direct legal liability. Suppose then, that instead of releasing the material, they encrypted it and threw it up on their site - under the guise of "insurance".

Should these suppositions hold water, then one could deduct that, in fact, WL did encrypt this material with a key(s) that were easily, or perhaps just possibly, guessed. In doing this, one could possibly conclude that this particular means of dissemination would allow WL to plausibly-deny they ever intended to release the material to begin with, relinquishing them of any legal liability

If only speculating mattered.

[edit on 4-8-2010 by misinformational]


Indeed it does matter! That's all anything initially was - speculation.

I had a similar thought as far as efforts of avoiding liability, but I couldn't pull it together. I think part of that is my skepticism regarding its crackability (ha! I crack me up sometimes! Oh come on, you guys, lighten up!). But even if is is...hackable (unintentionally intended, of course), I can't see a defense for 'accidental' release or dissemination - for the file or the key - especially since Assange publicly commented on its presence, and it's 'safe-keeping.'

That said, new media law is a new frontier, and things like transfer of property, etc. probably haven't been challenged enough to help establish law. I looked very briefly a few days ago into what kind of legal proceedings (international or otherwise) this could possibly involve, but I didn't get very far. Anybody know? I had another question, that being whether or not the documents in their current form are considered illegal or even stolen property



posted on Aug, 4 2010 @ 11:51 PM
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I wonder if Assange realizes that no matter what is in the file, he has now made himself a target of intelligence services outside the US that would like to know the contents of the file. Those most interested in damning information about US involvement in the middle east would be the terrorist organizations.

I'd say its no longer the US government he needs to be concerned about. If all it takes is him going missing and being killed for the information to be released, then he just painted a target on his head for the US's enemies. Not smart.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by wayno
reply to post by Discotech
 


In theory the file and WL could be a total setup or sting operation. However, if you read any history about the man in charge you see that there is too much there to be a setup. He has a track record and long history of statements that suggest he is a person obsessed with getting the truth out governments usually want covered up.

This man is just what the doctor ordered for our sick society. Its time to air the dirty laundry that has been hidden from sight too long.


I agree 100% - and that's what makes me skeptical (not that I question you, of course, I mean...never mind) - The idea that a 'little guy' could be forcing the 'big guys' into some serious accountability seems almost too good to be true (and he's not even from our country - how ironic is that?). But I would think it a miracle if this country's MO - "those with the most win; truth be damned" - was sabotaged by those with the least. Who's in control, now, Be-otch?

Sorry, I started hearing music and got carried away...



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by okachobi
I wonder if Assange realizes that no matter what is in the file, he has now made himself a target of intelligence services outside the US that would like to know the contents of the file. Those most interested in damning information about US involvement in the middle east would be the terrorist organizations.

I'd say its no longer the US government he needs to be concerned about. If all it takes is him going missing and being killed for the information to be released, then he just painted a target on his head for the US's enemies. Not smart.


I think Assange is probably aware of the situation he's in, and I think for the most part, terrorist organizations don't need classified information about the U.S. to 'justify' or further their actions - but you bring up an interesting and valid point - Besides the obvious international backlash that would (presumably) occur, what other international consequences could there be? Might other countries be exposed? Do they have interests to protect?

The documents may contain the "Fiasco," but the first consequence will likely be Mayhem.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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or simply countries that want to avoid being invaded...



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 06:52 AM
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I don't know if you are aware of this

Article from french newspaper LeMonde (MSM)

ATS seems to be their source in the making of the story.

We are not alone



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 07:38 AM
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Des utilisateurs du forum abovetopsecrets ont fait le calcul : si Wikileaks a bien en sa possession 260 000 télégrammes diplomatiques, l'ensemble des documents "pèserait" environ 1,7 giga-octets.
Source

Translation:
The users of the AboveTopSecret forum made their calculations: if Wikileaks has in their possession 260,000 diplomatic telegrams, the grouping of those documents would "weigh" around 1.7 giga bytes.

So I guess they are following us.



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 08:26 AM
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I was pleased to take part in ATS getting on CBC Ottawa.
I love it when we make the ourselves usefull and the outside world recognizes it.
No matter how small the contribution.

I am very interested in this thread
I'd like to see an ATS member "open" this thing. I gather some people think they're close.
I don't think you're going to find any unknown material in there, I think it's just, "everything they've published so far."
But, you never know...

I am also curious about the whole wikileaks, Assange thing.
I'm wondering how he is still walking around, if, in fact, TPTB are so mad at him for the Afghanistan file.

If he was a real threat, don't you think he'd be gone already?
or, to turn it around,
If he is a legit threat, he'll have an accident soon enough.

I think Admiral Ackbar said it best, "It's a trap!"



posted on Aug, 5 2010 @ 10:18 AM
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For F-Sake! There is no hidden agenda, no virus, no world domination, no (whatever your tiny little mind conjures up) The insurance file is pure and simply a backup file ( that hopefully most of the world has downloaded) to ensure that history will not be glossed over should the internet/Wikileakes ever be wiped-out. If the US government have their way, their atrocities would be swept under the carpet. Never to see the light of day again.
I apologise to my American friends in advance but you have been spun a load of bull#e for most of your lives and now is the time to stand up and be counted. Your government has plunged your country into the depths of hell and you really need to drag it out before it is too late. You used to be respected but now, sadly, you are hated with a passion. You have allowed Bush (Snr and Jnr) to devalue your credibility through-out the world. No-one respects you and no-one trusts you. Get your FN act together. Piss these Ar$eholes off that "rule" your country and start taking control. (When I say "piss" I mean "get rid of" )
Your military and government are doing a number on you. How much longer are you going to bend over and take it up the ar$e?



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