North Korean Soccer Team Punished for World Cup Failure, page 5

reply to post by sadchild01

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All I did was source the article man, make of it what you will - if you don't want to buy it, I can understand but at the same time, IMO people such as yourselves wouldn't accept the source if it came from the mouth of God himself so que sera.

I think the overall point I was trying to make was that believing NK's unstable leadership so innocent as to not be capable of something like this is almost as naive as thinking that western governments are purely altruistic - it's foolish.

reply to post by Legion2112

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firstly , Radio Free Asia is CIA funded, anything from CIA sources is not legit and is propaganda

I never said that nk leadership were angels and gandhis , but yes , i do question western motives and leadership which is slowily becoming dictatorial and propagandistic , and yes ultimately west is being led to dictatorship by the global elites , and west in a matter of years will be like north korea , once its economy collapses

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes

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russian propaganda??? hell , Russia has more economic,intellectual and political freedom than the west ,unlike what your western propaganda has to say

russia has a flat tax of 13% ,so equality of taxes whether rich or poor , unlike western taxes which squeeze everything out of you like massive VAT,properties tax,40% income tax , and banks loot you like anything

and unlike the western nations which are ruled by

www.ccsindia.org/pdf/13Russiaincome.doc

intellectual freedom -yes , there is significant emphasis on parapsychology ,psychotronics ,quantum physics ,astrology and YES EVEN FREE ENERGY , it is discussed openly in russian academy of sciences ,unlike in the west , where it is ridiculed and called pseudoscientists.

political freedom - yes , much better than the west where questioning holocaust is banned and punishable by jail (germany) , even neo nazi parties like NBP are able to participate in elections , unlike the USA a two party dictatorship and yes there are independent media operated by various political parties like liberal yablenko, russian communist party like red star , and limoka , by neo nazi NBP , unlike the western media where most media is corporatized under rupert murdoch or ted turner, hell on russia today there is open debate about 9/11 ,bilderberg,nwo etc. while the western propaganda media ridicule and deride these as 'conspiracy theories'

morality and religion-yes, unlike the west , where display of christianity is not permitted in many schools in usa , in Russia , there is promotion of orthodox christianity and sufi islam ,unlike the west were homosexuality and the holocaust are worshipped


today west is socialist and losing freedoms , while russia is slowily and steadily becoming freer and capitalist

Jan 1, 2001 was the beginning of a new era in Russia. Russians woke up to a flat 13 percent income tax. It was a watershed event. That’s right; it is Russia that we are talking about, not Hong Kong or Singapore. The USSR was founded on the principle that all businessmen were evil and profits were passe - a bourgeois concept.

Now, businessmen can retain 87 percent of what they earn in the land of Lenin! This is something which I would not have dreamed of 10 years ago. Truth is stranger than fiction.
www.ccsindia.org/pdf/13Russiaincome.doc

Its 46,900-page American Tax Code provides elephant size loopholes to the wealthy while the middle classes pay up. Russians file a simple one page form.

It is estimated that tax accountants will gobble up over 150 billion dollars for the paperwork which accompanies the tax payment in the US. This burden is one of the reasons why the US economy will not average even half the growth rate accomplished by Putin’s Russia.

It is ironic that Russia has a 13 percent flat tax while the bastion of world’s capitalism cannot even bring in a flat 17 percent tax. This is what Steve Forbes, a republican contender for the US presidency, had wanted but could not achieve.
www.ccsindia.org/pdf/13Russiaincome.doc

reply to post by sadchild01

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Okey-dokey partner, you have yourself a wonderful day now

Peace...

reply to post by sadchild01

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Originally posted by sadchild01
can you provide sources other than western propaganda bs, (chinese,russian or al jazeera)????

english.aljazeera.net...

Okay. There is a link to Aljazeera News talking about the same damn thing.

Happy now? Oh who am I kidding, of course you're not.


[edit on 1/8/2010 by Chamberf=6]

reply to post by Chamberf=6

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okay , it refers to the radio free asia report(CIA disinfo) , i am not convinced fully , about coach being sent to prison camp

got sources that do not refer to radio free asia , and have confirmed that coach has sent to prison .

reply to post by sadchild01

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political freedom - yes , much better than the west

Bwaaahahaha!!!!

Read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn:

"The Gulag Archipelago" is a non-fictional account from and about the other great holocaust of our century--the imprisonment, brutalization and very often murder of tens of millions of innocent Soviet citizens by their own Government, mostly during Stalin's rule from 1929 to 1953.

www.nytimes.com...

and then come back here and try to sell that bullcrap about how much better it is in Russia...

reply to post by sadchild01

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intellectual freedom -yes , there is significant emphasis on parapsychology ,psychotronics ,quantum physics ,astrology and YES EVEN FREE ENERGY , it is discussed openly in russian academy of sciences ,unlike in the west , where it is ridiculed and called pseudoscientists.

How does this show an edge on intellectual freedom? You are free to discuss those topics here in the US - just like you do on ATS.

What other, educated scientists think of you is another matter, however.

reply to post by sadchild01

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You apparently never even read the link to the article in the OP.

It NEVER said the coach was going to a prison camp. It said in the past the teams were sent to camps, but not this time.

It said that the coach was made to work a construction job.

You are asking people to prove things that were never even put forward. What sense does that make????

Perhaps reading comprehension isn't your strength, I don't know....

[edit on 1/8/2010 by Chamberf=6]

reply to post by mishigas

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you americans are so clueless , the soviet union is dead , Russia is capitalist

and yes america has the largest prison system and with america increasing becoming dictatorial and fascist/communist and its prison complex will transform into a gulag slowily and steadily with adverse economic conditions

and then come back here and try to sell that bullcrap about how much better it is in Russia...

seems you watch too much fox news and MSM propaganda BS that you refer to gulags , while USSR is dead , Russia is no USSr and becoming more capitalist and yes USA and the West are becoming communist and totalatarian fascist .

remember socialism is slavery and capitalism is freedom , remember what ronald reagan said , and West is becoming socialist and losing on capitalist democracy

reply to post by mishigas

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West is a scientific dictatorship and its science is increasingly run by dogma , rather true scientific research , while in Russia this is not so .

the condition of western science is increasingly becoming similiar to Soviet Science and that is why soviet union stagnated and so is the west

reply to post by sadchild01

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you americans are so clueless , the soviet union is dead , Russia is capitalist

Yes we know that - we killed the Bear. And Russia is not capitalist. It is run by criminal goons masquerading as capitalists.

and yes america has the largest prison system

You cannot know that since NK, China, and Russia do not release their prison stats.

West is a scientific dictatorship and its science is increasingly run by dogma , rather true scientific research , while in Russia this is not so .

America is the land of free science, whereas Russia can only steal secrets and mimic our achievements.

reply to post by mishigas

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And Russia is not capitalist. It is run by criminal goons masquerading as capitalists.

russia is no longer run by criminal goons , as it was under US govt puppet Yeltsin .
Russia is a increasingly a cAPitalist country that follows the libertytrian austrian economics and charges 13% flat income tax , unlike USA which is a socialist cesspool where IRS and govt tax the hell out of you ,and are you enjoying the global warming tax ?

Yes we know that - we killed the Bear.

no it was the peoples of USSR themselves who enabled capitalism to come

You cannot know that since NK, China, and Russia do not release their prison stats.

Russia gives its prison stats on the net. and yes we cannot know whether USA is stating real stats or is understating them , after fascist-corporatist and socialist states do lie a lot and USA is becoming a dictatorial fascist socialist state.

America is the land of free science, whereas Russia can only steal secrets and mimic our achievements.

lol, USA is a land of dogma of homosexuality,creationism , and a failed education system
America was the land of free science before the corportatists and socialists seized power in USA , and yes Russia mimics japanese and german achievements not american , as the american state is increasingly becomig a failed state ,Go look at GM that built inefficient hummers and went bankrupt , and now is trying to mimic japanese .

Russia's Severstal autos and GAZ are already mimicing the japanese and French , when they developed Oka car that gives a efficiency of 33 km /litre.

nobody today mimics USA and USA is mimicing USSR by embracing socialism by leaps and bounds

while Russia is becoming a capitalist beacon ,USA is becoming a demonic socialist empire

[edit on 2-8-2010 by sadchild01]

reply to post by sadchild01

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And Russia is not capitalist. It is run by criminal goons masquerading as capitalists.

russia is no longer run by criminal goons , as it was under US govt puppet Yeltsin .

Putin is the biggest criminal murderer in recent history.

You live in a fantasy dream world where you take everything that is good in the US and attribute it to Russia. And then you think that just because Obama is a socialist, that the rest of America wants to be socialist also. Pfftt, we hate the system and will cut it out of our country as a doctor would cut out a cancer.

reply to post by mishigas

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this is biggest load of BS i ever read!!!

Bush is biggest mass murderer in recent history , alongside Saddam Hussein , and yes that socialist obama continues to make USA more socialist, while Medvedev continues Putin policy of introducing more capitalism in Russia slowly .

socialist nations lie a lot and as USA is socialist now , I cannot believe your socialist lies anymore

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