Why do Republicans always embrace the reptilian side of things?

Hey guys, sorry for the 'reptilian' reference. It wasn't my intention to confuse the topic. I thought reptilian had embedded itself enough into pop culture that you would all get what I meant by it.

What I'm talking about is a characteristic that embodies a darkness in people that gravitate toward fear, hate, aggression.

In my mind, I'm thinking... This natural aggression that embraces war, or believes in the in-equality of gays, or the suppression of women's rights... I'm thinking the loyalty to oil companies over the environment... or the loyalty to health insurance companies over an option of free or universal healthcare...

I'm trying to understand why Republicans seem to always put money and military above all other things? And what's really weird to me is that the Right seems to have the religious vote on their side. It seems to me that love of money and military would be opposite of what you would expect from people who follow the teachings of Jesus.

I'm just trying to understand... This is a party issue because these things do not appear to be completely equal in both parties... at least not in the propaganda that each side preaches.

Granted, both sides are full of propaganda. But I just wonder why the propaganda of the Right seems to push forth a fear agenda and a pro-war agenda, and an inequality agenda.

By the way, when I say 'Reptilian' the first thing that comes to mind is David Icke. Not so much actual shapeshifting reptilian overlords... but a cold, aggressive, territorial, submission and worship through fear, and a resisteance toward equality kind of mindset.


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I got ya now. Sorry if I confused the issue.

I agree with what you are saying. I believe that the propoganda, rhetoric and general cold-bloodedness of our politicians/political parties are a product of a populace that isn't proactive. We slowly moved away from self-reliance into the consumer-based people we are today.

Our constant need for distraction and instant gratification has pushed our masters to realize that there is massive amounts of money to be made if the corporations can cater to these needs. It has gone downhill from there.

Once we were trapped into this black hole of consumption, by our own fault at first, it was easy to form the fat-lazy, money spending dingbats that most of us are today.

Republican or Democrat labels do not matter, they simply cater to a different consumer. As long as we spend and pay no attention to the bigger picture, we will never evolve into a more intelligent lifeform. There is much profit in that and they (the political parties) profit from this.

Oooooooh...I enjoy being a reptilian...it's much better than the alternative...like believing that the Social Security Trust Fund really has money in it...like believing that the "wrongs" of the Patriot Act can be blamed on Bush yet BHO not only leaves them in place but strengthens them - without a peep from the Liberals Lizards...like believing that corporations are evil while simultaneously bemoaning the fact that corporations are shipping jobs overseas to avoid the burdensome regulations that Liberal Lizards place on them...like believing that the Main Stream Mudslingers, er, I mean, Media are an unbiased group of independent JournoLists who see things right down the middle (ha, ha, ha)...yes, I'd rather be a reptilian than a Liberal Lizard any day of the week.

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You're right... both parties do appeal to a certain kind of consumer...

There is a consumer that fears terrorists so much that they justify torture, or invasions under false pre-tenses. Consumers that see gay people and think, no, those people should not have equal rights. Consumers that hold a bible in one hand and a machine gun in the other.

I guess I just don't understand that consumer...

Sometimes it feels like the Republican consumer would like to put a wall around the United States with guns and barbed wire, spend vasts amounts of money on war without thinking twice about it, nit-pick the costs of healthcare.

We get this massive leak of oil in the Gulf.... and of course the massive Oil grab in the middle east... I mean how many major wars or crisis do we need to have with a 1 degree separation of Big Oil before people start seeing these guys are not our friends... And embracing the party that seems to always embrace Big Oil is maybe not the right team? Possibly the team of greed?

But the more I listen to Republicans the more they seem like intentionally un-enlightened cynical people with a tight grip on money, and a bizarre loyalty to big oil, military, and corporations.





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I think that big-oil, war and the fear associated with terrorism is a product of the money and power tied to all of them. BOTH parties manipulate and take advantage of the fruits that come from allowing these issues to control our policy and overall mindset.

You can't separate the parties when it comes to these issues as they both receive campaign money from them. The Democrats ran their last election with an anti-war theme, yet when they control the government the war is escalated. But isn't that something the Republicans would do?

You may disagree with the republicans more often than Democrats but it does not change the fact that they both work for a the same goal, they just have a different way of getting there. It is easier to get the people to go along with their plans if the illusion of choice is maintained. But we all know there is no choice.

Edit: spelling and to add a comment

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You have to understand, Republicans work off of base fear. That's what they think resonates with people.





That's their strategy going into these mid term elections, working on base fear.

I'm just surprised anyone gets pulled in by those fear tactics.

Fear the terrorists, fear the secret muslim president, fear healthcare, fear what might happen if you don't Invade Iraq, fear what might happen if you don't torture, fear what will happen, always fear...

I truly believe the reason it's so easy for the Right to hijack the religious vote is because religious God-fearing masses are already proven to be susceptible to brainwashing and control.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
What I'm talking about is a characteristic that embodies a darkness in people that gravitate toward fear, hate, aggression.

In my mind, I'm thinking... This natural aggression that embraces war, or believes in the in-equality of gays, or the suppression of women's rights... I'm thinking the loyalty to oil companies over the environment... or the loyalty to health insurance companies over an option of free or universal healthcare...

I'm trying to understand why Republicans seem to always put money and military above all other things? And what's really weird to me is that the Right seems to have the religious vote on their side. It seems to me that love of money and military would be opposite of what you would expect from people who follow the teachings of Jesus.

I'm just trying to understand... This is a party issue because these things do not appear to be completely equal in both parties... at least not in the propaganda that each side preaches.

Granted, both sides are full of propaganda. But I just wonder why the propaganda of the Right seems to push forth a fear agenda and a pro-war agenda, and an inequality agenda.


[edit on 30-7-2010 by spiritualzombie]

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(all the below is my humble opinion, forgive the absolutist phrasing)
1) Republicans believe in a strong defense cuz that's the best way to protect from the bad guys (Si vis pacem, para bellum). 'Provide for common defense' is a Constitutional mandate.

2) repubs don't get the 'religious' vote, they tend to get the Christian / traditional morality vote in the U.S.

3) oil companies provide gas for our cars, heat for our homes, electricity, etc. what do regulations provide? protection for the four-finned snail toad? we MUST have some balance; too many democrats are too fanatical about restricting corporations.

4) re; the teachings of Jesus; sanctity of marriage and private (i.e., non-government) charity are Republican/conservative staples.

5) health insurance companies (like all companies) need some policing, but does anyone think that the gummint running our health care will be an impovement?

6) fear? the democrats constantly push fear and class warfare (the repubs are taking away your social security! the repubs want to allow LSC Petroleum to drill for oil off our coast!).

disagreeing wi political viewpoints is one thing, but come on...reptilian?

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thank you.

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
Get the money from Saudi Arabia. They raised most of the idiots who took out the towers. And they have plenty of money.

 

Here's a quote from Obama on the View the other day. People "noticed" the "mongrel" stuff but not this:

•There is a "reptilian side of our brain" that causes people to be cautious "if somebody looks different or sounds different."

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This is a phenomena sometimes reffered to as our "Lizard Brain"

It is the idea that there is an inate "wiring" of the human brain that involves base emotions and instinct...fight or flee, fear, rage, being suspicious of people who are "diffferent" etc.

These instinctual "emotions" are somewhat wired to over-ride rational thoughts. From an evolutionary perspective this makes some sense as it would aid in survival.

Humans have to make a conscious decision to emply higher level thinking when those emotions are engaged. Left to our instincts, we behave in a "lizard brained" fashion.

From a political (manipulate the populace) perspective the Lizard brain can be tapped to poltical advantage. By introducing topics that appeal to those base instinctual emotions or spinning issues to appeal to the "lizard brain"...over-riding higher level thinking.. they can obfuscate real issues or dominate a debate with irrelevant topics.

"Fear Mongering" is the most common example. You can get a lot done with little push back or debate if someone is scared of terrorist attacks. You can get support for a war, pass a bill to limit civil liberties etc.

Karl Rove, and before him, his teacher Lee Atwater...are generally considered the modern masters of this form of political manipulation.

If you ever sat back and objectively wondered how an issue like Gay Marriage came to be a huge national debate, despite it actually effecting people much less than the economy, taxes, war etc... That was Karl Rove's genius appealing to the "Lizard Brain".

Honestly...think objectively for a moment. For or against Gay Marriage...how many of us does it effect, though during Rove's tenure the topic DOMINATED the national discourse...more so than issues that mattered to everyone...taxes, the economy, war, civil liberties.

Politicians (both sides of the isle nowdays) engage the "Lizard Brain" confident for a given segment of the population that the appeal to "fear" and "intolerance" will succesfully over-ride rational thought.


amygdala (·migˑ·d·l),
n a key component of the limbic system in the brain, involved in the experience of anxiety, distress, and fear.


Deep in the brain lies the amygdala, an almond-size region that generates fear. When this fear state is activated, the amygdala springs into action. Before you are even consciously aware that you are afraid, your lizard brain responds by clicking into survival mode. No time to assess the situation, no time to look at the facts, just: fight, flight or freeze.

While FDR said "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself"...many politicians today tell the people..."Be afraid, be very afraid". The GOP used to say it about terrorists. It was useful to keep power. Now they say it about the POTUS and Dems...They are "Socialists" "Marxists" "Nazis" etc etc. "They want your Guns and Liberties" "Death Panels" etc..

Engage the lizard brain.

Now before I am flamed in some partisan burst...The Dems have adopted Rovian politics as well and we should always be cautious of any politician trying to motivate us out of fear. When fear is the message they are hoping our lizard brain will engage and we won't actually THINK about the issue.

Just my 2 cents.

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why have the republicans turned the stars upsidedown on the gops elephant?
they do know that these are pentagrams dont they?


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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
You have described the Republican mode of operation to a T! Could you explain the connection between the Republicans political stance and the Reptilians? Also, how do you come to know what is "Reptilian"?

I'm not trying to be a naysayer....just curious on how one knows what the Reptilian stance is.

Thanks in advance!

It's a scientific reaction explained by the natural aggressive side of our brain as explained in the link. It doesn't have anything to do with aliens as I assume your questioning?

en.wikipedia.org...

Edit: ahhh just saw you already got the explaination, disregard my post please.

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Originally posted by spiritualzombie
Yes I am seriously equating the Republican mindset to a reptilian mindset.

I watch the news, I read these forums, and I talk to friends... and I look for a republican that strays from the reptilian answer... and it is not easy to find.

I guess one would actually have to believe in "reptilians" first.

And "reptilian answers"?

1,000 X

My question is why are Democrates are like Klingon women?

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I'm tired of the idea that because I think affirmative action is long overdue to be extinguished, that I'm somehow spiritually unevolved or fearful. No, it's because I'm tired of being ripped off and not afraid to say it.

People who call that unevolved or fearful are saying an untrue thing. Probably they're lying and trying to get extra momentum for it on the back of truly good causes, like getting our troops out of other people's countries and not telling them how to live.

Originally posted by centurion1211

I guess one would actually have to believe in "reptilians" first.

Reptilian = Lizard brianed

Explained in my post here
post by maybereal11

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
Just the latest example...

www.foxnews.com...

Is it just me or have Republicans become predictably Reptilian? Always choosing the Reptilian side on every issue...

If race is an issue... they are anti-race.
If it's a matter of rights for women or gays... they are anti-rights.
If it's a question of free healthcare, the answer is no.
If it's a question of war, the answer is yes.
Environment vs Oil... gotta go with Oil.
And above all... if a democrat is in office... well, that's easy.

Right & Left may be a false front... but in my opinion it's a test of a person's empathy and spiritual evolution which side they embrace.




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Have you considered that they label themselves as "conservative", and that what you are referencing above represents a "conservative agenda"?

The whole "reptilian" thing makes this thread look morose. Until we can get a "reptilian" into the lab and examine it, lets stop using the term as a comparison. It makes the whole forum look dimwitted and dorkish, like a group of avid D and D gamers at IHOP talking about Orcs, Elves, and whatnot.

Originally posted by whatukno
You have to understand, Republicans work off of base fear. That's what they think resonates with people.

That's their strategy going into these mid term elections, working on base fear.

Come on WUK....don't play into the false dichotomy.

All leadership plays off a base of fear.

People will only follow your leadership if they either respect you, or fear you. How many of you actually respect our elected officials?

There is your answer.

I still feel The right wing base is much more ruled by fear, aggression, and a cynical attitude.... predictably so.

That's why for the right wing conservative, torture is justified, laws that leave a gray area for racism is justified, inequality toward gays is justified, suppression of womens' rights is justified, invasion of middle east based on false intel is justified....

We have the greatest oil disaster of all time in the gulf, and we continue to justify off-shore drilling... we say it fuels our cars, but that's only because the oil companies rally against cleaner more environmentally friendly technologies.

And apparently it's not the religious base that the right wing has hijacked, but the traditional moral base? That's great, I'm just trying to understand where exactly those morals are.

Meanwhile the Left are upset by troop buildups, even when the President is democrat, the Left are upset that torture and rendition continue even when a Democratic president says its necessary, the Left are upset by laws that open the door to racial profiling... it seems the Left tend to be more guided by morality and not so much a slave to whatever the Left President says.

On the other hand, the Right will say it's Anti-American to question their Right Wing President.

Again... you can lie to yourself and say both sides are the same, but there are reasons why a person chooses door #1 vs door #2.

Republicans seem to choose the door that says fear, aggression, inequality, and cynicism.

You can say it doesn't matter, that both sides are the same, but I believe it says a lot about that person based on which side they choose.... and which side speaks to their heart.

Originally posted by spiritualzombie
I still feel The right wing base is much more ruled by fear, aggression, and a cynical attitude.... predictably so.

That's why for the right wing conservative, torture is justified, laws that leave a gray area for racism is justified, inequality toward gays is justified, suppression of womens' rights is justified, invasion of middle east based on false intel is justified....

We have the greatest oil disaster of all time in the gulf, and we continue to justify off-shore drilling... we say it fuels our cars, but that's only because the oil companies rally against cleaner more environmentally friendly technologies.

And apparently it's not the religious base that the right wing has hijacked, but the traditional moral base? That's great, I'm just trying to understand where exactly those morals are.

Meanwhile the Left are upset by troop buildups, even when the President is democrat, the Left are upset that torture and rendition continue even when a Democratic president says its necessary, the Left are upset by laws that open the door to racial profiling... it seems the Left tend to be more guided by morality and not so much a slave to whatever the Left President says.

On the other hand, the Right will say it's Anti-American to question their Right Wing President.

Again... you can lie to yourself and say both sides are the same, but there are reasons why a person chooses door #1 vs door #2.

Republicans seem to choose the door that says fear, aggression, inequality, and cynicism.

You can say it doesn't matter, that both sides are the same, but I believe it says a lot about that person based on which side they choose.... and which side speaks to their heart.

And at the end of it all, what difference is there? Tell me 1 key difference in the end result between the left vs right.

The health care bill that was "rammed down our throats" was nothing but a rehash of a GOP sponsored bill from the early 90's.

Since Obama took office Predator attacks have increased. He had more in his first year than Bush had in all 8 years.

At the end of the day, people who choose between Democrat and Republican are merely choosing which set of lies they will fall for. Because in the end, that is all there is.

What you need to ask yourself is why it matters at all what the candidates personal views are. They are there to vote OUR will, not theirs. Why does it matter what they think? Who they hang around with? All they are supposed to do is enact the will of their constituents. Until THAT gets done, none of the other arguments about politics matters.