posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 04:35 AM
reply to post by IamBoon
Your OP wasn’t complicated it was just wrong, I know what you are saying I just disagree. Let’s not get pissy because someone doesn’t find your
logic to be all that logical.
THere is no empirical data proving god.
THere is no empirical data Disproving god.
How does either argument make the lack of belief in a god or gods itself into a belief?
Nevertheless, there not being any empirical data proving god is reason to take the position of none belief but there not being any data disproving god
is not reason to take the position of belief and leads to many logical problems.
If I use the former argument then I must naturally reject anything that equally shares a lack of evidence. That’s easy to do, nothing I believe or
know conflicts with that principle.
However taking the latter argument I would have to accept anything that equally cannot be disproved. This inevitably leads to huge numbers of
contradictions; I would have to accept the existence of everything from Santa to pink unicorns to aliens to just about anything else. Thus the latter
is not a logical theistic argument
Atheism is a lack of belief in god(s) existence.
Theism is a lack of belief in god(s) nonexistence.
But theism is not the lack of belief in a god’s nonexistence. It just isn’t, the lack of belief in a god’s nonexistence is (weak) atheism or
agnosticism. Theism is the positive belief in one or more gods. You can’t change that to win an argument. Saying “I don’t believe that god
doesn’t exist” is not the same as saying “I believe god exists”.
Your "lack of belief" argument holds no water on the subject of existence
It doesn’t intend to; I am not arguing that there are no gods or that there is a reason to believe that there are no gods I am arguing against the
notion that atheism is itself a belief.
And admitting to there being a possibility of an object without 100% certainty is a belief also.
Yes but it is a belief that is separate from my lack of belief in a god or gods; it may lead to my atheism but it is not the same thing. Just as my
belief that alien life is possible is separate from my lack of belief in alien life.
reply to post by ChickenPie
If the definition of an atheist is somebody who doesn't know if God exists,
It’s not, it is someone who doesn’t believe that god exists.
reply to post by cushycrux
Again it’s not really the topic but as an addendum, killing someone because they have asked you to end their suffering most definitely is done out
of love; as would defending a loved one in a violent manner. But that’s for another topic.
[edit on 30-7-2010 by Mike_A]