. I promise to burn the Qur'an, every year on 9/11 as long as I live

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posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:08 AM
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Why would you ever come out in defence of something you haven't read? No, really?




posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:12 AM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
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Why would you ever come out in defence of something you haven't read? No, really?


The problem with religious zealots is that the more you kill, the more you create.

Therefore engaging in offensive warfare against a "religion" and not a "State" is inherently counter productive.

One does not combat religious beliefs with gun fire.

In fact the story of Christ shows us that most religions demand belief even in the face of death.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74

1. Absent of any real proof.





I've never understood why people say this.

no proof? are you blind?



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:15 AM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
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Why would you ever come out in defence of something you haven't read? No, really?


Unless you've read it in arabic, or are fluent in it, the majority of muslims will proclaim you do not know it, since it's a nonuniversal language book, arabic is the best, why you'll always see translations with the original arabic right next to it.

I forget which one of the english translations is generally accepted, I'll go look



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:17 AM
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while you're at it, you should burn the bible as well... it is an extremely violent book that justifies all sorts of wretched acts including slavery and stoning.

and much violence has been done on it's account... regardless of Jesus' title as Prince of Peace.

the Inquisition! hurray! the Salem Witch Trials! hurray! the Indian Wars! Hurray!

etc...

horrible acts are done by horrible people with twisted ideologies, regardless of the race, creed or color.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:19 AM
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Love is a positive energy. When you love - whether it be people, animals, the world - it generates a positive energy, and energy equals power.

Hatred is a negative energy. It drains those who hate, and it drains those who are hated, and it drains the world.

So let's love each other and build up a positive energy.

And, about 911, take a minute to think about those who believe in Islam and who are peaceful - the women and the children, who do not deserve hatred, who do not deserve bombs, who do not deserve suffering.

Do not damn Islam, because it was insane extreme lunatics who committed that outrage.

But I agree that if a country is kind enough to allow people in, those people should at least respect that country's beliefs.

Sadly, a lot do not, as we have seen in Britain.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:20 AM
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Man you are sure going to show them. *Facepalm* and I was really hoping the thread title was just sarcasm.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:21 AM
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Nazis, burned books. I burn book. I burn it not to destroy the information that people in the future may read. I burn it as symbolism for the destruction is has caused to my country. I'm sorry, far too logical, I should have come up with something far more common sense to this site like "you commie, don't you have any love for your country?" Yeah, sick of them too. Sick of anyone without common sense, spewing un-researched dribble, to make themselves look more important to the new class of "conspiracy elite". Who knew it could ever exist? They won, They made the conspiracy group, main stream. The cheerleaders, and cool guys, have taken over conspiracies, because the Government has made them main stream on purpose. You research nothing. You pick the most popular view and stick to it. It's my job to question you, and make you feel uncomfortable. They haven't won, they have sent students.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:23 AM
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Are you telling me the English translation is innacurate? I'd think they would take a little time with that one, out of the need to convert.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:24 AM
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Free ones are easily obtained on the net.

Just sayin'


 
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posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:28 AM
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destruction is has caused to my country


Hellooooooo, earth to mars.

Do you know what destruction means lol.

Go visit Afghanistan, see what destruction is, or maybe Iraq, or maybe Somalia...

Sarcasim Warning: "America didn't do anything to piss the world off, heck America is an angel, heck America doesn't have hundreds of bases in other countries, heck America hasn't occupied, or invaded. Heck America hasn't been involved in coups, assassinations, supporting of terrorists, nuclear proliferation...."

But that is just a sarcasm, you won't understand it will you.

All that being said, it comes down to this:

Read the Quran

It is obvious you haven't read it, Islam doesn't condone the killing of innocent people. Those who are not fighting, must not be killed, 9/11 is not condoned by Quran.

Once again, it all comes down to this:

Read the Quran



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:29 AM
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dreamwalker, take a moment aside from riding your high horse and feeding your inflated ego, and actually read the drivel you are writing.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:32 AM
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Ok.. Then instead of gunfire, how about, "If not condemning" Since that seems a little rough for most people here. Discussing the fact that people, because of their religion, in-fact want, and are currenltly trying to kill them? It may not be a reality to them until a Nuke goes off, or a familiy member is killed in a terrorist attack. Yet it is a reality most are eventually likely to face.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:39 AM
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No really, question still stands. In order to be a worthy debator, I expect you to have some form of of fact or knowledge to back up your debate. Seriously, Instead of siding with the majority because it is "cool", how about debating me with actual facts or figures? Actual parts of the Qur'an, that you agree with, Some research period. Have you always been able to get away with this? I need more than "I disagree, with you." I need a logical intelligent reason why. Please provide one, so that in the future I can take you halfway seriously.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:40 AM
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Before you accuse me of not doing research, perhaps you should do some yourself. The Quran actually helped build our country rather than destroy it, as you say. Thomas Jefferson studied the Qur'an before the Revolution, as it helped him in his studies of the concepts of natural law and natural rights. Now, in keeping with your "logic," maybe you should ask the Library of Congress if you can burn Jefferson's Quran. That would be very symbolic. You would be burning part of this country's foundation, just as your hate and intolerance burns away the ideals of our nation.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
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Are you telling me the English translation is innacurate? I'd think they would take a little time with that one, out of the need to convert.


It's 'advised' that you learn arabic as well with accepting the faith....

Not as much as inaccurate as...... whats the word I'm looking for...... incomplete I would dare say, as unfulfilling. Like listening to a english rock song in spanish, it's just not the same



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:43 AM
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Are you sure they "wasn't behind the attacks"? Who told you that? How do you know? They couldn't possibly be lying to you? Na. "They was there."



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:46 AM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
Are you telling me the English translation is innacurate? I'd think they would take a little time with that one, out of the need to convert.


I believe the logic is that, according to Islam, the Quar'an is the direct word of Allah delivered to Mohammed in the Arabic language. So, no translation in another language could be considered the actual Quar'an, because it would not be the literal word of Allah. The Bible is considered by Christians to be the same Bible, even in many different languages and translations (though of course the arguments over translation among theologians are endless). But Islam does not take this appraoch. In translation, the Quar'an can be said to approximate the meaning of the Arabic edition, but it is not considered the actual word of Allah.

I guess an analogy would be that they view translation similar to the way a Christian might argue that a summarized, shortened outline of the Bible would not be technically the literal word of God.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 01:48 AM
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Yeah though Thomas Jefferson kind of skipped the part about stoning women while creating our constitution. Come on, seriously.





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