H.R. 2159, the Disarming American Citizens Act, page 2
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reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 10:26 AM by whatukno
reply to post by mrsdudara


You know that declaring war against the United States Government is in fact illegal right?

Do you know why they were arrested? If you look up the actual papers, you will find that that grounds for arrest was Armed criminal action. They were conspiring to challenge the govt. BUT they did so while having a gun on them. Because they talked about challenging the govt while having a gun on them they were not only arrested, but they are now no longer allowed to legaly own, posses, or buy a gun ever.


Section. 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.


Article III Section 3

So, according to your account, they should have been tried for Treason. But fortunately for them, they weren't.

As far as Militias are concerned, There are two places in the constitution where it mentions militias...

One that everyone is familiar with is the 2nd Amendment, the other one is in fact Article 2 Section 8:

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


Same source

So, in fact you could consider the arrest of the Militia members disciplining this particular Militia.

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reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 10:43 AM by whatukno
reply to post by mileslloyd


Actually on the other side, I am all for the right to bear arms. It is a necessary right the American people have. What I don't condone is baseless fear mongering like this thread.


reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 10:45 AM by whatukno
reply to post by Masterjaden


Still doesn't matter because this bill is long dead.


reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 10:46 AM by mrsdudara
reply to post by whatukno


Yep that is correct. I think they should have been charged with treason instead.

I am dissapointed that the files were closed so that we do not know the outcome.

Here is some of what I had a problem with:

" a. Conspirators acquired firearms, magazines, and ammunition, explosives and other componets for destructive devices, uniforms, communications equipment, supply and amunition vehicles, and medical and other supplies.
b. Conspirators engaged in military-style training in anticipation of the planned for military operations to include firearms and explosives training, weapons proficiency drills, patrolling and reconnaissance exercises, close quarter battle drills, and "man-down" drills, and prepared defensive fighting positions, ambush kill zones, and storage bunkers. During these training sessions, each conspirator in attendance carried and used at least one firearm. "

I do not like those being added because if they are/were found guilty it would set presidence would it not?

Over and over again in this document it states the person did this and that while having a firearm. That bothers me.


reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 10:47 AM by butcherguy
reply to post by Masterjaden
You are probably wasting your time.

Whatukno reads things into the Constitution that are not there when it comes to the illegal alien problem, then declines to see what is there when it comes to 'Jethro' being allowed to own a firearm.

He is an obvious bigot when it comes to the poor folk of Appalachia who have never gotten a fair shake, especially when the feds had their 'war on poverty'. If you were a city dweller, you were 'poor', if you lived in the countryside outside the cities, you were conveniently..........

FORGOTTEN!




reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 10:51 AM by Lil Drummerboy
reply to post by whatukno
This i believe will be a frustration for some time till the new people figure out how to do research first before posting the dead news.



reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 10:51 AM by whatukno
reply to post by mrsdudara


Militias in their current form should bother you.

There should be militias in this country, and they should be under the guidance of congress.

When they act alone, in my opinion they are nothing better than street gangs.

If you believe in militias in their current form and agree with what they do, you have to by proxy agree with street gangs, because without the consent of congress, they are pretty much the same thing, just better organized and less armed.

Some people want you to be afraid, they find everything they can to try and egg you on to do something stupid. These people should be routed out and dismissed like the scum they are.

People must research these things to find out the truth, and yes, we must always be vigilant that the government doesn't try and take your guns away from you. Because I do believe that if you take guns away from the people, only criminals will have guns. At the same time, you can't succumb to baseless fear mongering threads and emails like the OP here. It's counterproductive and makes gun proponents look like raving lunatics.

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reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 11:03 AM by whatukno
reply to post by mileslloyd


but Do you think that would be happening as often as it does there if guns were downright illegal?


I can go out right now, and within 2 hours I can have whatever kind of gun I want. I can even get the kinds of firearms that aren't legal for civilian use.

If guns were outlawed, only criminals would have them, the only real option is to keep guns legal, but toughen penalties for people who use guns for criminal purposes.


reply posted on 30-7-2010 @ 11:04 AM by whatukno
reply to post by SecretGoldfish


Your whole post was LIES! Lies and fear mongering, just stop it!
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