Gulf Oil Spill Hoax Argument VINDICATED

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Then get over yourself, on the same token. Your ignorance of the offshore drilling business DOES NOT negate anything that has gone before, including my 4-month-old argument.

LOLLLLLLLLL, so says you! 2 of my brother-in-laws work offshore. Several of my nephews work offshore. I don't know who you think you are addressing here, but just because I haven't specified that MOST of my family in Louisiana, works offshore, or in the fishing industry, shouldn't really matter to you. What I see of your thread, is a "my way, or the highway attitude" only. One of the offshore brother-in-laws, is now a highly paid person working in Gulport, for BP instead of on a rig. He's a top brass person, who shall remain nameless, here. Some particpants here, on ATS, do know a lot more about what's going on than you think. We are on the coast, in the thick of it, literally. Where are you, someplace on the east coast? LOL!

Once again, you are making this whole thing a contest, about who knows what, and instead of letting people share their personal experience, and knowledge, you only want people to consider your point of view.

Do you have some valid points? Yes. I said so in my first post on your thread. Do I agree with all of what you have to say? Most certainly not.

I think it's rather sad though, that instead of constructive discussion, you seem to only be preaching to the masses, about how right you are, or what you know.

What was it I replied to earlier in a quote?

"Stand up for what you believe in?" Or something to that affect?

That's exactly what I am doing here, and not just because I believe it, but because I SEE IT!!!!!!!

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[edit on 29-7-2010 by Blanca Rose]

There is a mature way to debate an issue and then there are children arguing over who is right and who is wrong, being loud and obnoxious, resorting to name calling and insults. These kinds of threads are not interesting because the whole issue is drowned out by the obnoxiousness.

Originally posted by sum_peeps
ok, if the whole thing is a hoax, how do you explain the cover-ups starting from day one that have been parroted by the MSM?

The only insidious "coverups" I've seen were the ones "revealed" here on ATS, the home of crackpot coverups.

I've read about BP trying to keep people out of the cleanup area, but that's no coverup. They're RESPONSIBLE for keeping people out of the area, legally responsible. If a helicopter or a party boat full of overly-curious civilians goes out there and crashes and people die, BP is legally responsible, because it's their cleanup operation. No coverup.

I've also read about the Coast Guard detaining barges that were designated to assist in the cleanup. Gee, what deep, dark reason could be behind the U.S. Coast Guard detaining cleanup barges? Simple. The U.S. Coast Guard is responsible, among many other things, for inspecting seagoing vessels for safety equipment, to insure the safety of the crews. The Coast Guard was inspecting the barges for life jackets and fire extinguishers. No coverup.

Now, aside from my threads, I've read plenty of bullcrap conspiracy theories on here associated with the Deepwater Horizon. I read more than one thread on here about mass evacuations on the Gulf Coast. More lies.

So, do you just pick and choose which horsecrap you believe and crucify the ones that don't agree with your [snip] theories?

If so, then your position is no more tenable than mine, is it?

— Doc Velocity




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Originally posted by virraszto
These kinds of threads are not interesting because the whole issue is drowned out by the obnoxiousness.

And yet I'm looking at 7 pages in this thread that contradict your assertion. I know what's interesting, believe me. If it's not interesting, I don't bother with it.

— Doc Velocity




[edit on 7/29/2010 by Doc Velocity]

Here is a novel Idea....
This oil spill was either over mediated or washed out by BP and the WH, NWO, Aliens, Alex Jones, bush/ chenny, God or one of you guys.
It was however STARTED, ALLOWED TO CONTINUE, ABRUPTLY ENDED.
Just like everything else you see and buy. The Show got put on and then it ended.
Either we are so stupid that we think that they don't lie to us everyday or they know that we are.
The latter is most likely true.
So this will go on and on. If you have a yeti in the trunk of your car by all means drive straight to the media and claim your fame. If not please keep your thoughts in check.
Facts arer facts.
Either BP caused the disaster of the century and covered it up or it was a ploy and they conspired to dupe the american public.
Anyway you look at it the joke was on you.......
Good luck with that.....

Originally posted by Blanca Rose
Some particpants here, on ATS, do know a lot more about what's going on than you think. We are on the coast, in the thick of it, literally. Where are you, someplace on the east coast? LOL!

LOL? What's so preposterous about the East Coast? The mythical "oil plumes" were supposed to be all the way up the East Coast by now, according to some reports posted right here on ATS.

Again, and I know you don't know this because you're not reading my posts before you reply, I grew up on the Gulf Coast, lived there for over 30 years, right there at the Texas-Louisiana border, and I and my brother ran oil patch equipment all over the South, but especially from Texas to the Louisiana delta, which is home plate for virtually all of the major offshore drilling companies.

When I finally left Texas, I lived on the Gulf Coast of Florida for a few years. I only recently — within the last 12 years — moved up to the Carolinas and, wouldn't you know it, the rumors held that Gulf oil was going to leak all the way around Florida and somehow come up here to pollute Atlantic beaches in the Carolinas. It hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen.

— Doc Velocity

No...Just getting bored with the nosense. If BP made mistakes and then is willing to correct they should get a fair shake and be credited will doing something noble. Hiding info and running media claiming you "Plugged the Hole" is hype. It is the hype of the guilty.
I have loved ones in that area and the truth matters to me. Do I think they stuck their foot in it YES, do I think it got hyped YES, do I think they deserve credit for a noble deed NO.

Originally posted by Point of No Return
reply to post by Doc Velocity

 

It's the shortsighted envirotards who need to return to school on this issue, rather than flaming THOSE WHO KNOW the facts.

So is this thread about spreading truth, or about attacking people that have a different opinion?

I though you said you past 50, why not act like it?

DAMN!

Originally posted by Doc Velocity


Again, and I know you don't know this because you're not reading my posts before you reply, I grew up on the Gulf Coast, lived there for over 30 years, right there at the Texas-Louisiana border, and I and my brother ran oil patch equipment all over the South, but especially from Texas to the Louisiana delta, which is home plate for virtually all of the major offshore drilling companies.

Yes, I read that. Are you here now? A lot of things change over the the course of 12 years. I lived 2/3 of my life in the Chicago burbs. I went there just last November, after 15 years, and couldn't even find the house I lived in because the area had changed so much.

When I finally left Texas, I lived on the Gulf Coast of Florida for a few years. I only recently — within the last 12 years — moved up to the Carolinas and, wouldn't you know it, the rumors held that Gulf oil was going to leak all the way around Florida and somehow come up here to pollute Atlantic beaches in the Carolinas. It hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen.

It's nice of you to point out, via your research, what you believe to be true. I'm sure everyone would agree that they hope it never reaches the Carolinas.

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moved up to the Carolinas and, wouldn't you know it, the rumors held that Gulf oil was going to leak all the way around Florida and somehow come up here to pollute Atlantic beaches in the Carolinas. It hasn't happened, and it's not going to happen.

These were not rumors but speculation and projection as to how the oil would be dispersed if the slick made it to the ‘loop’ portion of the Gulf. That loop is not like the Beltway that runs around Washington DC. It shifts with the seasons and weather conditions.

Further once again as someone who lives in Miami, a hop, skip and jump away from the Florida Keys where the loop current carries the Gulf of Mexico waters into the Atlantic and it also being a city and area very dependent upon beach related tourism I can tell you that many of those speculations were from oceanographers at the University of Miami who have been monitoring the loop current and the spill.

So here is the academic dilemma you seem to be wholly discounting and avoiding. It has been the scientific community that has been making these speculations and projections all along based on hypothetical scenarios in regards to a fluid and ongoing disaster that is entirely without precedent.

Yet now the very profession you have derided for these thankfully so far inaccurate projections, have suddenly become infallible and a source of absolutely definitive information in regards to one highly speculative article that you contend supports your own position.

By the way the portion of the Carolinas you live in is hundreds of miles from the ocean, and you have not been in the Gulf of Mexico or its region during the course of this disaster, and it is this disaster you are talking about.

Professor Emeritus did a great job at displaying to you that your whole theory is based on how 99% of the total water mass off the world handles a minute fraction of what now 1% of the world’s oceans (the Gulf of Mexico) has to absorb a 50 times larger amount of oil than the 99% remaining body of water does.

The good news for the tourism industry is dispersants have kept the oil from migrating throughout and around the Gulf with some help from an unpredictably favorable loop current.

The uncertain news is what long term impact all those dispersants and oil are going to have on the fishing industry in the Gulf and we are no where near knowing that.

Nor do we yet know the long term impact to the rest of the marine life or how this might affect ground water moving forward.

In essence Doc you are calling everyone and everything some form of hoax save for ONE very speculative article that you seem to imagine creates a license for you to discount entirely so many real things that have done so much real damage and cost so many real people so much.


[edit on 30/7/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by Dockman45

Either BP caused the disaster of the century and covered it up or it was a ploy and they conspired to dupe the american public.
Anyway you look at it the joke was on you.......
Good luck with that.....

Great post...I'm in the camp of the whole being fabricated, but Dockman45 is right... either way, The joke's on us...

I know this post may be off topic and will get the boot but this thread, like the illusion in the Gulf, is totally orchestrated by ATS. Nice colorful avatars though… they go well with the surrealism of this thread.

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

You know these to be facts because you're a chemist and a medical doctor? Or are you just parroting what you hear on the news?

Actually my father holds part of the patent on Mobil One Synthetic Motor Oil as the chief Chemist with the PHD and a listing in Who's who to go along with it.

I am not a chemist but having spent some time in his labs, I can tell you that science like justice tends to be a process where the wheels grind rather slowly but finely.

Once again no credible researcher would be rushing to make any conclusions at this point.

Well, I guess you speak from a more informed position than most people on this site.

While I am still backing Doc's position, I will agree that the slate ain't clean yet. However, the fact that the bulk of the oil has apparently been dealt with by the gulf itself in such a short time, it does stand to reason that a LOT of people here have been way overreacting with all the talk of doomsday scenarios and the like, which is what Doc is addressing.

Like I've said before, nature will heal itself. That does not speak to the dispersants and the people exposed to them. That's not nature we're talking about, it's the use of man-made chemicals. Perhaps the two topics should be separated.

Originally posted by Megiddodiddo
kinda curious - pertaining to hoaxes and such doc... how did they get these satallite images all doctored up then? I'm sorry if I'm wrong here but these satelite images clearly show huge amounts of oil

Well, let's look at a REAL NASA photo of the oil spillage, shall we, taken back in mid-June, as I recall...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/95c5be1b0bcf.jpg[/atsimg]

I enhanced the actual oil slick in red. I then took the top photo and scaled it to fit in a larger, enhanced satellite photo showing the entire Gulf of Mexico. Now, that doesn't look like it's stretching all the way to the flipping Yucatan Peninsula, does it?

No, it doesn't. Doesn't look like it could even potentially threaten the Yucatan.

You need to get this whole spill in perspective. In fact, the total amount of crude oil leaked at Deepwater Horizon — a little over 200 million gallons, by the most liberal estimates — would not even fill the New Orleans SuperDome. That gives it a little more perspective, yes?

Funny, I can't find ANY news stories about the BP oil spill affecting the Yucatan Peninsula.

So, let's ask somebody who has a vested interest in all that awful oil supposedly gushing toward the Yucatan Peninsula... A travel agency.

Gulf Oil Spill Avoids Mexico/Yucatan Travel
It says there's not even any speculation of the oil reaching across the Gulf.

But here's the part I like...

Already having devastated the Gulf Coast’s shorelines, oceans, and natural ecosystems, impacting its wetlands, wildlife, birds, fish, dolphins, whale sharks, and other marine life, additional methods of containment — including thousands of feet of booms to confine the oil — are being employed to prevent further environmental damage.

Which is pure folderol. Yeah, as if "thousands of feet" of anything is going to protect the coast against an oil spill supposedly the size of the state of Kansas. Pure balderdash.

But the Travel Agency site DOES make a pertinent point — prevailing winds and currents in the Gulf drive everything NORTHWARD from the Yucatan Peninsula — so it's not possible for this great monstrosity spill to exist, as pictured in the alleged satellite photo showing this massive oil slick all the way across the Gulf.

Take a look at this, a chart of the Loop Current in the Gulf of Mexico...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/88e613a23167.gif[/atsimg]

Gee. Looks like it comes in right there at the Yucatan Peninsula and drives everything in a clockwise rotation NORTHWARD back towards Florida, where it exits the Gulf down by the Keys.

Hm.

Nope, sorry, I call the Yucatan Peninsula photo a fake and a major FAIL. Nice try, though.

— Doc Velocity







[edit on 7/30/2010 by Doc Velocity]

reply to post by Doc Velocity

You are the second person I have read in 2 days to practically devour yourself with self worship and adulation because of a gulf oil spill prediction, and in public. Something about this scenario seems to bring this out in people. Your posts mirror exactly a guy's on a small message board who fantasizes about obama talking about his wisdom with a bunch of dignitaries. All month, or year long. Unbelievable. I think you are a probably a cop nearing retirement who thinks he's a hot writer. I'm picking up a trend here.

Glad you're feeling chipper.


[edit on 30-7-2010 by davidmann]

And, lest we forget, the there have been OTHER gigantic oil spills in the Gulf. The Yucatan, in fact, was the site of one of the greatest Gulf oil spills in history... 140 MILLION GALLONS of crude oil was pumped into the Gulf between 1979 and 1980 when an ITOX1 exploratory well blew out in the Bay of Campeche.

Our Ocean Planet - Oil Spills

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/9dd7751c89de.jpg[/atsimg]

Yeah, now THAT'S what I call an oil leak... From the summer of 1979 until 1980 this wild-ass, unchecked leak pumped crude into the Gulf. 140,000,000 gallons.

Wow. That's a lot. The second largest oil spill in Human history, as a matter of fact. A regular CATASTROPHE.

But most of YOU didn't know about it until just now, right?

Because it wasn't USED by the Green Agenda. The ITOX1 never became a poster child for global environmental policy reform, because we didn't have a Green Agenda back then. We had an oil shortage, and people were more concerned with finding new oil than saving the planet.

Hence, NO CATASTROPHE.

— Doc Velocity





[edit on 7/30/2010 by Doc Velocity]

Originally posted by davidmann
Unbelievable. I think you are a probably a cop nearing retirement who thinks he's a hot writer.

No, actually, I'm a hot writer who occasionally goes slumming with the conspiracy theorists. No, I'm not a LEO or an agent of any kind. Those jobs don't pay enough to support my lifestyle. Nice guess, though.

— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by Doc Velocity

Originally posted by davidmann
Unbelievable. I think you are a probably a cop nearing retirement who thinks he's a hot writer.

No, actually, I'm a hot writer who occasionally goes slumming with the conspiracy theorists. No, I'm not a LEO or an agent of any kind. Those jobs don't pay enough to support my lifestyle. Nice guess, though.

— Doc Velocity

OK I get it. A writer who writes for the mainstream, but hangs around with whackos for street cred. Got it. I know I marked you early on as a foe, probably because you stood behind some 'popular science' rag that explained how jet fuel took down a building that was untouched, after causing two others to out run what we call 'gravity', all of them falling squarely into their vaporized remains. You only write about safe things, and your mind doesn't read between the lines. Nothing to teach me, specialist.