Originally posted by oddtodd
Just Finished The DaVinci Code (fiction) and it wraps some thruths into it's story : one namely is the assumption Jesus was married and had offspring
. I'm sure there is a link in ATS somewhere that can help if you use the search . The premise does away with the divine nature of Jesus and lowers
him to a mortal level . This is not an oppinion , just something I read in a book of fiction that may be a lead to something for you to look into .
The Church would surely want something like that kept under wraps .
Hi, Jesus the man and flesh was obviously mortal, because he died. What people don't seem to get about Jesus is there is 2 different parts to
Jesus. This is what he is talking about with being born anew and such.
Mary is NOT a virgin. She is not the virgin. The flesh of Jesus comes from Joseph and Mary, thus his line of flesh. These are his flesh parents.
However, the virgin birth is
real. The virgin is the father, god. This part of Jesus is spirit, it is not flesh. This is his soul,
spirit and so forth.
Jesus doesn't recognize himself as being of the flesh. And so he denies his parents. People forget he also dismisses Mary as being his mother.
Because he knows he is not flesh, he knows he is spirit/soul and that being born of spirit and soul means there is only 1 who is his father, the
virgin who remains a virgin still.
So it is when you realize this, and when you realize your true nature and who your father is, then you understand why Jesus says the things he does,
and how it applies to you. Jesus says and even greater things can you do, because all the things he says of himself can also be true of you, should
you realize it.
So 2 births. We are born thinking we are of the flesh, Jesus was apparently born knowing all of this from the start. We grow up thinking we are
of the flesh, and live our lives this way. We associate ourselves as being our body, our brain and so forth. And so we see ourselves as being
merely a result of creation. But it is only our flesh that comes from this creation, our souls come from god. Thus, when your soul is a son of god
and when you see yourself in this manner, then you are a son of god.
So when you come on this earth you still have to be born of the 2 birth. Technically you already are, but you haven't realized it yet. So thus you
must be born anew. This happens on a specific time for people. It happens in John 14:20 - "At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father,
and ye in me, and I in you.". Notice, it makes references to a specific point in time for you, on that day.
And then you become like a child, as your entire world view and how you see and understand things changes. When you are no longer worried about the
flesh, and realize you are not the flesh, then you also realize that death isn't real and so forth, and the things Jesus says makes sense. John
14:20 is followed by the holy spirit when comes and teaches you(14:26). As again, you are like a child and your understanding is rebuilt.
This is also not exclusive to Christians. This is for all, no matter what your beliefs are. Again, from John 14. 14:24 "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me. "
The Vatican/whatever powers that be can hide scripture, manipulate things and such or whatever all they want. But they can't hide the truth from
those who are willing to seek, as the kingdom of heaven and the answers are all within. Look inside and beyond your flesh and your body and you will
find consciousness/soul. The only thing they can do is kill the flesh of those who dare speak of it. Which history shows them to pretty well
28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
29For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.