The Tea Parties, lets get something clear.

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by DCPatriot
And we aren't just looking out for ourselves, Luc. We're trying to save your future too.

That is exactly what is wrong with you right there.

I am not sure what kind of dictatorship you are hoping for where a few get to decide what is best for everyone else no matter what but I kind of like getting to have a different view than you and being able to vote the way I like.

Maybe if you guys spent more time worrying about yourselves you would not have Palin and racists running your PR campaign for you.

I thought that was our problem....that we ONLY care about OURSELVES?

Which way is it?

It's seemingly over your head. 'You' feel entitled to 'free' health care. 'You' feel entitled for 2 years of unemployment benefits.

There is no more money to pay for the free lunch, partner!

As a businessman, it's better for me to remain in neutral and scale back. And that exacerbates the problem.

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Thanks for the lower picture. Does anyone else recognize the guy?

I do, he looks somewhat familiar, can anyone else point out the humor of posting that photo?

As for the kid, ever hear of monkey see, monkey do? Probably not.

You know, they do say the more someone calls something, the more someone has to look at themselves. Are you a LATENT RACIST?

I absolutely agree. The Tea Parties that are happening is not some right-wing event. It's people across the board, Democrats-Indies-Republicans coming together to say enough is enough.

I was just talking to some people today. What are the chances that we would be totally out of this entire mess right now if the government had stayed out of it for the most part? WE ARE FLAT BROKE AND CHARGING THE CREDIT CARD!

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by Unidentified_Objective

 

Well, considering that the area I live in is 90% Hispanic, and the TPM is huge down here, I suppose that I am full of sh*t when I claim BS on what you said

Are you actually trying to claim that because you know a bunch of Hispanic Tea Party members there are no racists among those calling themselves members of the Tea Party?

Sorry to interrupt.................
But are you serious? Of course their are racist in th TPM!
There are also racist in the NAACP, the Dem. Party, the Repub. Party, the Ind. Party, and if you had a party at your house I bet one or two would be there as well whether you wanted them or not. That does not mean you are a racist because they are at your party and it does not mean the TP is racist because some are in their party.
The fact of the matter is that THEY are everywhere. Most people just don't like to think that anyone other than "whites" can be racist. I hate to be the bubble buster but racist come in all shapes, sizes and colours.
If you don't think so then YOU are a RACIST!

Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by SeventhSeal

 

Thanks for the lower picture. Does anyone else recognize the guy?

I do, he looks somewhat familiar, can anyone else point out the humor of posting that photo?

As for the kid, ever hear of monkey see, monkey do? Probably not.

You know, they do say the more someone calls something, the more someone has to look at themselves. Are you a LATENT RACIST?

Yes. Dale Robertson is his name. Claims his sign was "Altered." Why shouldn't we believe he's not a racist? Oh because his hat says man of faith,

Yes, I've heard the monkey see monkey do phase. But are you blind enough Not to see the racism from the Tea Baggers?

Oh no, not senseless government spending. Where were these Teabaggers when Bush was president? Funny how a majority of them follow this guy...



Shows you their intelligence, really.

Want the government out of their lives but yet want the government to kick out immigrants. Want the government out of their lives but want the government to outlaw Abortion and Gay marriage.

"We want our country back."

Sorry Republicans...but I want my country forward.





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Originally posted by Quadrivium
Sorry to interrupt.................

Perhaps if you are going to interrupt you should actually pay attention to the conversation being had. I could not be more serious. Go back and read more than just my post, see what I responded to. Get some context. Think about it. Try again.

You guys can bicker all you want. The proof is in the pudding as they always say. When November rolls around we will see if they get in. We will see what they do.

Frankly, I wouldn't bet two warm buckets of feces they will do a damn thing to turn this mess around. But hey, I'm not sailing on the good ship anymore so what would I know?

Remember when the main stream media(MSM) showed the guy at the Tea Party gathering carrying his AR-15? They edited it so you couldn't see he was black! LOL These scumbags are...scumbags!!! If you're watching the networks you're watching dis-info and mis-info.

Originally posted by Adevoc Satanae

Originally posted by Quadrivium
Sorry to interrupt.................

Perhaps if you are going to interrupt you should actually pay attention to the conversation being had. I could not be more serious. Go back and read more than just my post, see what I responded to. Get some context. Think about it. Try again.

Sorry brother but I have read the post. And to be truthful all of the race talk is really making me sick. It is always the white man being accused but I see it coming from all. The tip of the iceberg for me was when the NAACP (prodomintly black org.) calls the TPM racist for being prodomently white.
The point I was making is that they are every where.

Wow what people get to when they have time on there hands, so cool... always wanted to go to a tea party, but only if there was a mad hatter. There are many mad people at this party but none of them have a fancy hat, so how is anyone supposed to take them seriously. Look at the pope hes got a fancy hat and talks about weird stuff, and people believe him. Thats what they need a dude in a fancy hat if they want to be taken seriously.

my only problem with the Tea Party is that they have no idea what the problem is, or what the solution is

Originally posted by DINSTAAR
If any of you guys like South Park I would recommend watching this episode

I'm a little bit country



I like how debates have turned into statements like this...

'You think the welfare system is bad? You must hate the poor.... and black people'
,
'You are pro-life? You are a murderer.'
,
'You are against the healthcare bill? You want people to die'
,
'You are for the healthcare bill? You're a socialist!'


We need to start debating how we can solve problems that we all want solved.

Yes. After all, we can't just wish them away. For example, you can't just say the poor are all or even mostly lazy and personally responsible for their own poverty. This doesn't of course necessarily mean the answer must be a handout (or at least not one from the government), it could be, you know, changing the system or the "Man" that's holding them down. There's problems with the system, and they need to be fixed, and you're not going to do that with simplistic prejudices and namecalls.

However, this idea that someone doesn't "deserve" help, that America's system is corrupt yet strangely perfect enough that you can always get enough money to even get what you need (like medical care) if you just aren't "lazy", or at least that maybe one deserves help for a time, but after that time lapses, if you're still having trouble then it's 100% your own doing and you must be lazy (both of these I've heard), seem more to be a flaw within America's social/cultural fabric, and so not necessarily limited to the TPM or held by every TPM member. However, I've seen this a lot. It's one thing to say you don't want government doing the "help", it's another thing to judge (or pre-judge -- prejudice?) that someone doesn't deserve help. The problem is that where the former exists, the latter also seems to frequently occur along with it. I could be wrong, though.

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I think the tea-party movement has dissolved. As a result of Obama and Democrats defiantly passing laws, the tea-party seems to be winding down. Mainstream media, Democrats, and other similar organizations have successfully put their fire out.

November is almost at our doorstep, so people are more likely ready to vote. I keep getting mixed feeling about this election. I don't think the tea-party has enough fire. Hopefully, something will happen to reignite their passions.

Only time will tell.

Originally posted by DCPatriot
I thought that was our problem....that we ONLY care about OURSELVES?

Are you blaming me for what you thought? There is a difference between caring about other people and telling adults you know better than them what to do about their future. Did ya even read what you wrote?

We're trying to save your future too.

Do not do me any favors. If you want to save my future, come powerwash and stain my deck before winter. If you want to decide who runs my country for me then just shhhhhhhhhh.

Which way is it?

Maybe you need a map?

It's seemingly over your head. 'You' feel entitled to 'free' health care. 'You' feel entitled for 2 years of unemployment benefits.

I do? What are you talking about? I pay for my own healthcare and have not gotten unemployment since 1997. Who do you think you are responding to?

There is no more money to pay for the free lunch, partner!

I am not looking for a free lunch. I am telling you to not presume to decide politics for others under the guise of 'looking out for their future.'

What the hell are you talking about with free lunch and health care and unemployment?

As a businessman, it's better for me to remain in neutral and scale back. And that exacerbates the problem.

You do what you gotta do. Do not presume to know what is best for my future though.

Originally posted by endisnighe
As for the kid, ever hear of monkey see, monkey do? Probably not.

Please explain the kids sign then. What "monkey see" action is being referenced?

Originally posted by Quadrivium
Sorry brother but I have read the post.

Then you did not understand what you read because your rant has nothing to do with anything I said. Follow along please.

1-person claims they heard racial slurs from SOME people in the Tea Party.

2-another person claims to know Hispanic members of the Tea Party.

3-person 2 claims knowing these Hispanics completely makes person 1's claim false.


I responded pointing out that just because you know a Hispanic Tea Party member or never heard a racial slur does not mean they are not there.

What you responded with is just gibberish.

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I don't disagree. The group is not cohesive at the ideological level. However, the group is very cohesive at the "branding" level. Americans have been trained for the last 4 generations to brand-identify in all aspects of their life. People become blathering idiots for the brand.

If you have a group of people, say, who don't necessarily share the broadest spectrum of ideals, but who all self-identify with a brand, they can be made to do whole hosts of things at the most fervent level (the ones who identify the strongest with the brand). Consider: publicity stunts, people who wear the brand on their chest (literally), people who "wrap" their car in the name of the brand, people who get in FIGHTS over the brand (sporting events), people who argue over which one is better and so forth.

The Tea Party is a brand, because it exists in a media-run world that even considers the dominant political parties (Democratic Brand, Republican Brand). It has to be a brand in the media because it competes with the other two brands (at least in part with the Republican Brand).

The signs of the brand:

The name: Tea Party, MacDonalds, Ford, Maxwell House
The slogan: Taxed Enough Already, I'm lovin' it, Built tough, Good to the last drop
The colors: Red, White, Blue; Red and Yellow, Blue and White; Blue and White

What is the result? A general identification among those who are branded. A treatment of the branded product as a personal fetish, a trinket imbued with special powers (special doesn't mean magical, though in delusional ways, or religious ones, it is possible in the mind of the branded person). Coke doesn't just quench your thirst, it transports you to a realm of relaxation, joy, summer fun, etc. Ford isn't just another car, it's the American Dream TM!!!

So, with all this in mind, the right "spokesperson" can come along and really rally the adherents of the brand-cult. This is not something I'm pulling out of some imaginative region of my mind, this is stuff that happens every day, all around us for the most insignificant of products.

Just do a little investigation:
How many "jingles" can you recall and write down in 10 min:

Like a good neighbor, state farm is there.
Good to the last drop
Built Ford Tough
Five...Five Dollar...Five Dollar Foot long...Subway, eat fresh!
Safelight repair, Safelight replace.

I could go on and on, but I want you to come up with your own. It's pretty pathetic, but we are primed to be branded through these repetitions. The images and diddies are up there and stored and ready to be recalled at a moments notice with the right prompt...

...or the right Personality to represent the brand.

Who that person is and how he/she manipulates the brand-cult depends on the zeitgeist, I suppose (but also on the board of directors, no?)

Originally posted by endisnighe
Hey, whoever posted the SourceWatch links, thanks. I am glad you gave us another progressive site to take a look at.

Take a look at the SOURCES they use. New York times, Huffington Post blah blah blah.

Plus, it is created by WHOM? Oh here we go-Center for Media and Democracy

NOW, let us take a look at the Center for Media and Democracy-www.prwatch.org...

Whoever posted the SourceWatch, thanks for giving us a link to another progressive/communist propaganda site!

TAKE A LOOKY HERE-SourceWatch, another black propaganda site!


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Your thread proves nothing.

The facts are the facts, look at them or look away but don't go around spewing your Corporatist propaganda pretending the facts aren't there.

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FUNNY how a site that is funded by ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION is not considered a CORPORATE WHORE!

I guess the ROCKEFELLER FOUNDATION is just another FOUNDATION created to NOT pay taxes and to further their AGENDA for the BENEFIT OF MANKIND.

RIGHT?

You know, when the Rockefellers were crushing skulls of the people during the first depression, I am sure sycophants were saying the SAME thing.

That must be why they act in the SHADOWS and NEVER pay a dime of TAXES.

Right?

Why don't you explain how the Rockefeller Foundation is so GOOD for us and society?

I am sure EVERYONE is waiting for your thread defending the Federal Reserver, Goldman Sachs, AIG, and the other POS that you espouse as our benefactors and our saviors.

C'mon, I am sure you can post a vid of the Rockefeller that WASTED 4 months navigating a boat made of plastic bottles across the pacific.

WOW, navigating a boat made of plastic bottles, we should be SO proud of the Rockefeller Family!

Originally posted by endisnighe
Hey, whoever posted the SourceWatch links, thanks. I am glad you gave us another progressive site to take a look at.

Take a look at the SOURCES they use. New York times, Huffington Post blah blah blah.

Thank you for pointing out something that very few people seem to notice.

From what I've seen of the Tea Party, most of them are decent people who are tired of watching their country crumble down around their ears.

Here's a basic core truth: Most people are the decent sort, but rats come in all colors.
Any time you get a large group of people together for any kind of cause, just the mere law-of-averages will dictate that at least a small number of rats will join the group. Rats will join mostly for their own personal reasons...One of which is to try discrediting the majority of the group (Go ahead & Google "Crash the Tea Party" for one example, that was poorly executed).

Then comes the media to "cover the event." There's a very high majority of MSM that cater to the leftist/socialist/libral/whatever-you-want-to-call-it interests that the rats thrive on...Which mostly boil down to the "interests" of gaining/establishing the power of mass-control. The conservative side of MSM is a very small minority in comparison. So the left-side tilt of the MSM majority (read: JournOlist...Look it up) simply point their cameras at the rats mingled in a group & spins it to include the group on the whole as being the same as the rats.

So I reiterate what you say in your post...Check your sources, people! I get my sources from both the left & the right to help me figure out what's really going on behind the smokescreen. I'm referring to the smokescreen that is put in front of us to distract us from the core truths of what's happening in my country. Yes, it's my country because the Constitution establishes the fact that I'm a member of the single biggest Board of Directors that's supposed to be in charge of how this nation works...I'm one of WE THE PEOPLE, a joint-owner of our government. All officers under the Public Trust are my employees & the Constitution is their contract of employment under all Americans.

Here's another core truth: The US Government has been ever-increasingly violating our Constitution, our employment contract, at least since Abraham Lincoln put forth Executive Order 1. Take note that all Executive Orders are Law-violating usurpations of the legislative powers granted to Congress as per lawfully binding Oath of Office established by the Constitution. Not only that, even EO1 (Emancipation Proclamation) seemed to be in accordance with the Constitution by freeing the slaves, it was specifically worded/enforced to have effect only on the Confederate States! All other States were excluded, which means that enforcement of EO1 constitutes "unequal treatment" of the States, along with the Crime of bypassing the established Legislative Power in Congress!

We've been going downhill ever since...What most in the Tea Party (& by the demographics of our population, the majority of Americans) are really concerned about is what are we going to do about this deeply-entrenched criminal organization that has usurped our government. With very few exceptions (Ron Paul for one notable example; check his public records of Office to confirm), our government has been subsumed by Organized Career Criminals.

I want to support our troops, but in these times, the best way to support them is to bring them home to defend our country, as demanded in the Constitution. Currently, there's a bit over 190 countries on this planet & we have an occupying military force in just over 130 of them! this is a result of the "empire-building mentality" pervasively infiltrating our government & the end of WW 2 was the jump-start they used to get going. Our Constitution is contructed to downplay a national, standing army in favor of a civilian-oriented defense...Hence the 2nd Amendment. With over 300 million people here, with well over half being physically & mentally capable of "owning & bearing arms," it would be sheer folly for any foreign nation to invade us. Another advantage for a civilian-oriented defense is so the People can resist/prevent any fundamental changes in our government that would destroy all of the Founding Principles that made us into a nation.

Whenever any politician (or other style of "talking head") tries to tell you that certain actions are in the "national interests," it's an abject lie if such action is not "in pursuance" of the Constitution: The Constitution defines national interests, with everything else being the interests of the States & the People. This is the nature of the 10th Amendment. In other words, if it's not specified in the Constitution, then the US government is violating the Supreme Law of the Land if they do it. Any action taken by any Officer in the US Government that violates the Constitution (as the Supreme Law of the Land) is automatically a felony offense, at the bare minimum.

The government is not (& never was) the true power of any nation, the People are/were. People create governments & people destroy governments; This is a truth of history, worldwide. The US Founding Fathers were not backwoods, country bumpkins...They were well-educated, widely read, intelligent people who were entrusted by the People to represent them ("We the People... ...do ordain & establish this Constitution...") in the creation of a general government to oversee a limited number of tasks & with limited Powers over those tasks. By the 10th Amendment, the States & the People reserve all but a very few Powers to themselves.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal
Want the government out of their lives but yet want the government to kick out immigrants. Want the government out of their lives but want the government to outlaw Abortion and Gay marriage.

Here's a couple of very good twisted statements...Only accounting for by patially listening to what someone says. quite probably twisted originally by leftist MSM.

For one: I don't think government should be kicking out immigrants...Only the illegal immigrants; By violating our Immigration Laws, they're already committing Felony Criminal Trespass! After all, the US Goverment was Constitutionally charged with the duties concerning immigration. The US already legally immigrates the highest number of people than any other country in the world...There isn't any other nation even as a close-running second place. But it's the Executive Branch's illegal, abject refusal to enforce immigration laws that has caused this problem...Indeed, both Bush & Obama have tried to use "conditional enforcement" of the immigration laws in order to intice (read: extort) Congress into legislating broad amnesties. It happened once (a blanket amnesty a few years ago), but the illegal immigration has only gotten worse. this is a prime example of NOT considering the WHOLE issue, but instead just calling up a "talking point" that addresses nothing in particular.

In support of the "less government" issue, if they would get rid of all of these unconstitutional agencies & programs, there would be more money to enforce Constitutional compliance with Immigration Laws.

Second: The government had no Constitutional authority to even create "legal marriages" in the first place...I'm talking about the kind of marriage for which you need a license. This kind of marriage is nothing more (& nothing less) than a merger of two corporations...It has nothing to do with personal commitment, religious preferences or love. However, the Common Law Marriage is a "personal contract" not a "commercial contract." A Common Law marriage doesn't require a liscense to conduct personal affairs, whereas a Legal Marriage is a commercial contract requiring a license, just like businesses which fall under the government's controls concerning commerce.

The "corporate merger" of a Legal Marriage is based upon what kind of "production" the new company can perform. Ergo, since a gay marriage can't produce new taxpayers...er, ummm...children, the government would be more likely to oppose it (ie: deny the license application). By denying the license, the government isn't denying "gay marriage," per se...they're denying the license for a business merger. So gay couples should really be considering a Common Law marriage instead of a Legal Marriage.

This also is another issue in support for limiting the government, all without trying to force personal ideals down everyone's throats. We don't need the government's "permission" to make personal commitments to each other, regardless of race, color, creed & religious or sexual preferences.

Third: Abortion is a matter of individual choice, already governed by the individual's health issues & personal will. Again, the government has no Constitutional authority to intervene (or fund) either side this issue. It's determined primarily by individual choice, sound medical advice & somewhat regulated already by the costs & expenses incurred through insurance companies, (who are quite capable of "calculating risk," regardless of the government) which are already regulated by each State!

Wow, there's the concept of "limiting government" again! Who'd have thought?
It's not like this concept isn't already an intrinsic part of the construction of the Constitution...
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