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Topic started on 28-7-2010 @ 05:41 PM by dreamwalker74

Neither party is for true freedom.

The Replublicans, would deny me the freedoms of:

Sex before Marriage.
Smoking Marijuana, if I so choose.
Being a homosexual if I so choose.
Watching Pornography if I so choose.
For that matter anything that did not hold up to the strict Christian regime's idea of the way life should be.

The Democrats, would deny me the freedoms of:

Owning firearms, and the ability to defend myself.
The ability to keep my own money.
Freedom of speach, see the "fairness act"
For that matter anything that did not hold up to the strict socialist regime's idea of the way life should be.

We need a true party of FREEDOM. Where victimless crimes, are simply no longer crimes. Where we get to keep our money, through a fair tax bill. And I'm able to defend myself and my family using the firearm of my choice. Where peole are all treated equally as the "Owners" of the government, not the "Subjects".

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 05:56 PM by mnemeth1

reply to post by dreamwalker74

The Constitution and Libertarian parties sound like a good fit for you.

www.constitutionparty.com...

www.lp.org...

Of course, political parties are still part of the problem because they advocate government.

Since government is the problem, eliminating government is the solution.

LP doesn't comment on its drug policy, but we all know they want to legalize them.

The Constitution party wants to eliminate all federal drug laws and leave them to the states.

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reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:04 PM by SubPop79

What we need is the eradication of political parties. I simply don't understand the concept. In America we have the Democrats and the Republicans ripping the country in two from the inside. Our founding fathers warned this is what would happen with "political factions." Call me naive, but I think a country can function without a political affiliation. Why can't ideologies just be ideologies of the individual and not of a party?

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reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:12 PM by TheFinalTruth14

Let's be real, there is zero chance most nations can abolish the government, and I don't think there is anything wrong with that. When you talk of America, it is even less of an option that most countries.

The Libertarian Party is where it is at. No, we won't be able to do the drastic measures some parts of the LP will talk about, but it will start looking at each new movement by the government with the personal freedoms of the individual in mind. That is THE best starting point in today's America, period.

After a term or two of this, we can then start looking back on past mistakes and trying to correct them. It won't all happen at once, and it could take another generation or two to create true individual freedoms.

There is nothing wrong with government in my mind. There is a lot wrong with the governments we have today. All we need is a group that will start denying bills that want to burden the people. Forget Democrats and Republicans, they are jokes. The Libertarian Party has the respect the Tea Party doesn't have, and it hasn't been hijacked like the Tea Party has.

I say The Tea Party was a great idea that got hijacked quickly and we should let it die. It doesn't take much research on the LP to see it is the best option. One of the main arguments I've heard is that deregulation of corporations will lead to a corporate-run nation, but HELLO! Look around!

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:14 PM by Blue Shift

As an independent thinking person, interested in freedom, I prefer not to join any party or organization that would have me follow their rules.

So thanks, but no thanks.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:18 PM by SubPop79

Government is fine, but why do we need political parties?

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:18 PM by SubPop79

EDIT: There was an echo in here.

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reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:21 PM by Chakotay

Originally posted by TheFinalTruth14

There is nothing wrong with government in my mind.

Nope, nothing wrong with gov't.

Nothing- except fear, extortion, and rule by threat.

Enough is enough.

Time for beer.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:31 PM by dreamwalker74

reply to post by TheFinalTruth14

My father helped to create the Libertarian Party. The party platform was written on my kitchen table 2 years before I was born, and my Father was the first to run for congress under the Libertarian party.

After 38 years, not one member in the Senate. Not one in Congress. God forbid the white house. My father has deemed it a lost cause, I've deemed it a lost cause. It can't simply be a third party. It needs to be a party that destroys and unifies the current two. I have ideas, give me a while.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:34 PM by whaaa

reply to post by dreamwalker74

No government? What would happen? The corporations would have total control with private armies/security. Fascism with no child labor laws, no minimum wage just slavery to the powerful entities that are almost on the brink of taking control now.

The parties that exist now, even the TPM are all just fabrications, to give the illusion of control where there actually is none.

It's a brave new world, welcome to the monkey house.

[edit on 28-7-2010 by whaaa]

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 06:52 PM by dreamwalker74

reply to post by whaaa

Not "no Government", a fair and sane Government, that is under the control of the people. Not vice versa. A Government that could not be controlled by corporations or special interests, period. A Government where freedom of the individual, was always first and foremost in their minds. A Government that was held accountable by it's citizens, actually listened to, and replied to in kind. A Government that was not corrupt and through new laws incorruptable. A Government composed of actual citizens for other citizens. A Government that did not tax us to death to serve their own insatiable wants. A Government that does not attack the constitution, or any of our basic freedoms. A Government that does not seek power, but strives to give power to it's citizens. A Government that does not use or apply any form of religion, to dictate laws or judgement. A Government that cares, and that we could be proud of.

Asking too much? I don't think so.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:01 PM by TheFinalTruth14

reply to post by Chakotay

I understand what you're saying man. But I think the time has come and gone for those types of thoughts. We can't rid ourselves of all forms of government, it just won't happen. I try to be realistic.

And fear/power/corruption in the LP wouldn't be as easily done today. Lobbyist would be gone, military would be out of foreign countries, taxes would be lower (IE the government wouldn't have a crapload of money). With the LP, anything that infringes on the individual's rights would be stopped. In my opinion, it is a form of government that is there to enforce the will of the people.

If we could suddenly change to a LP-atmosphere overnight, people would be amazed at the liberties they would have. You're going over the speed limit but driving safe? Proceed.

The government wouldn't be a glorified police force, it would actually be there as more of a go-between to fund local projects that communities want. The federal reserve would be abolished, the federal government wouldn't have nearly as much power. It would, at a minimum, take things down to the state level, and if given the chance it would probably go further and let communities handle their own things. I don't pretend to know everything about it, it just seems that the basic principles can give way to true freedom.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:05 PM by ANOK

The only way we could have 'no government' is with socialism, the workers ownership of the means of production. We don't need government and the state system.

It is what Anarchism was based on.

Freedom without Socialism is privilege and injustice... Socialism without freedom is slavery and brutality...Bakunin, the father of Anarchism

There will never be a third party as the two reining ones are too powerful and not really separate parties at all. They both work for capitalist interests along with the state to pacify us and keep us from taking over the means of production, like the workers tried to do in Spain that lead to WWII.

We have two seemingly different parties to simply keep us on the pendulum of 'change' every four years. Instead of the population raising up, as it did in Spain, they wait for the next open voting booth under the illusion of 'change'. The reality is nothing changes, except things like cannabis legality that shouldn't be illegal in the first place, and people will praise the government for legalizing it. The bad guy making himself look good, and we fall for it every time.

It's all about control.

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reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:06 PM by dreamwalker74

reply to post by TheFinalTruth14

I think we can create the Government of our dreams. It's just a matter of convincing enough people, that the current one is a nightmare, and giving them a solid option. They trashed the LP, and destroyed so many members over the last 38 years, that something new is now required.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:07 PM by seataka

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by TheFinalTruth14

My father helped to create the Libertarian Party. The party platform was written on my kitchen table 2 years before I was born, and my Father was the first to run for congress under the Libertarian party.

After 38 years, not one member in the Senate. Not one in Congress. God forbid the white house. My father has deemed it a lost cause, I've deemed it a lost cause. It can't simply be a third party. It needs to be a party that destroys and unifies the current two. I have ideas, give me a while.

Ask him a question, - whether during debate about the party name, whether the alternate name was to be "The Patriot Party"...

In 1992 a handful of ex-perotistas incorporated The Patriot Party of Virginia.
In swept the Pat Buchanan-ites and then a well financed cadre of sophisticated 'delegates' from Leona Fulinari's "Black Socialist Worker Party"...

The good old boys in southern virginia characterized themselves as staunch constitutionalists and were not very pleased to have their 'baby' - born of the revolt against Ross Perot's heavy handed heanchmen - end up being taken over by the Black Socialist Worker's Party folks. There was no problem with their color, there was a problem with socialism as such.

A Memo was written and circulated by the founders of the Patriot Party of Virginia, which explained the choices we faced, and the Virginian Patriots walked out of the convention.

That was the end of the Patriot Party of Virginia despite a different version by Ms Fulinari who in the small piece I was able to find a few years ago claimed to be the founder!. It is safe to disclose, that this writer was one of the founding incorporators of the Patriot Party of Virginia. One of the other founders of the Patriot Party told me that story about the discussions about the name during the formation of the Libertarian Party. Which is why I bring it up.

A records check of the incorporation database in Virginia Sec of State shows that the original record of incorporation was 'deleted'...so my name and cohorts names are now deleted from memory.

Regards,

Seataka

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reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:10 PM by dreamwalker74

reply to post by ANOK

I'm not honestly sure why people keep using the words "no government". Was I not clear enough? Did you not read any of the replies? Or is there an alternate motive, which I'm beginning to suspect?

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:12 PM by dreamwalker74

reply to post by seataka

Actually one of the alternatives was the "common sense" party. I know, cheesy, but to the point.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:20 PM by ~Lucidity

How about we take a party time-out? I'm serious.

Think people would flip out if we removed all the Ds and Rs from behind the names? I do.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:22 PM by EnlightenUp

Originally posted by mnemeth1
Since government is the problem, eliminating government is the solution.

To my understanding, this is the ultimate intent as well as having no economy as we understand it. On the other hand, currently, I believe people still require oppressive measures out of trying to thwart higher, more compassionate principles for selfish ones. Yes, that still goes for "good people", "good" as seen in a contemporary light which will appear rather demonic relative to a new standard of conduct.

reply posted on 28-7-2010 @ 07:26 PM by dreamwalker74

reply to post by ~Lucidity

Hey Lucidity, Did you read the post? Did I say anywhere in the original, or in any of my replies that their should be "no government"? This one is freaking me out a little. What are these people reffering to? I'm not willing to be paranoid enough to believe that several disinfo agents would mob a site all at once. Though I wouldn't be suprised. Honestly am I nuts? "I mean more so than usual" or is this REALLY BIZZARE?

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