Originally posted by truthquest
Those who actually read the bill find quite a number of gross human rights violations being advocated by Arizona lawmakers.

I am calling BS on this one.

Time to put up or shut up.

Prove it.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher

If you are a Mexican you must be illegal? Or at least you should be singled out to prove you are not here illegally?

You want police to do their job right? If illegal immigration is *gasp* ILLEGAL, do you not want law enforcement to uphold the law? Because if you do, checking a hispanic gentlemans papers and inquiring about his residential status is how you do it. Or were you under the impression that all cops are psychic? Should we ask white people about their residential status, or should we focus on the the statistically probable demographic?

People like to throw around human rights, ok how about my human right to not suffer because someone else is engaging in criminal activity? Does the human rights of an illegal criminal trump my rights as a citizen to not be negatively affected by said criminal activity?

And to the poster who said it's our governments fault they are here via destabilizing mexico, what kind of crack are you smoking? If China destabilizes America, do you think they are just gonna roll out the red carpet if I decide to move there? Do you think the Chinese are going to feel any pity for me because their Government destabilized my country? Uhhh NO. Just because your country is crap hole doesn't mean it's ok to come to my country and make it a crap hole. If these people are soooooo patriotic to their home country, the F'ing STAY THERE. Fix the problem yourself, don't be a parasite.

Bottom Line: You come here illegally, you're a criminal, and should be treated as such. Law Enforcement should have any and all tools at hand to uphold these laws. If the laws are'nt good enough, make em stronger until they are. No benefits, no welfare, no anchor babies, no healthcare, no nothing. You wanna be a criminal, then live underground, off the grid like one.

Originally posted by gotrox
You do realize Mexico is not averse to just shooting the poor Guatemalans looking for a better life by sneaking across THEIR southern border.
The ones they don't want to waste bullets on do usually a year of hard labor before their case is heard and they are deported.

This isn't true. I am Guatemalan and if you want to know Mexico doesn't even have a border patrol. Things on mexicos southern border are probably safer than Guatemala City.

I also know a couple of people that where caught in mexico and they were deported to guatemala within a couple of days at most.

Originally posted by ChrisF231
Im infuriated. I am so sick of these activist judges playing by their own agenda rather then by the US Constitution.

I am too. She was not following her own agenda, she was towing the part line of the Obama White House. They want all of those little illegals in here for the election, so he can retain his seat. Meanwhile, it look\s like a shooting war will began sooner than later. Guess who will be called a terrorist then?

Mexico doesn't even have a border patrol

Yes they do, the Mexican military, the Federal Police, and the Customs Service share the responsibility for protecting Mexico's borders.

The Mexican Border Patrol was called the Policia Fiscal and it was absorbed by the Mexican Federal Police in 1999 when that agency was created.

ModernAcademia

You said-
"You can't just look at the issue with short-sighted eyes, you have to step back and look at the entire problem, and that problem is your federal Govt. not the illegals.
"

Isnt that what I said? And I quote...

"You are sitting here calling the people on this website BIGOTS because they are MAD at the government for treating them like crap and telling them that what THEY THINK does not matter?

WE are mad because the government FAILS to do what the people want, and instead do whatever the hell THEY want.

WE did not create this mess, THEY DID, by their failure to DO THEIR JOBS.
"

The ONLY reason why Mexico gets its hands on our guns, and everything else imaginable, is because our govt lets it happen. They could put a stop to it at ANYTIME. They have the resources to do so. They just choose NOT TO, because THEY, AND MEXICO, are making money off of it. Thats it. No other reason besides money.

American citizens are just like the citizens of mexico, we both have to deal with corrupt governments, and we both have to worry about gangs taking over our streets(cops included).
Heres the difference though.... WE DONT RUN TO MEXICO ILLEGALLY BECAUSE WE CANT HANDLE IT. We are ALWAYS the ones who have to FIGHT it out. Mexican citizens can fight it out, but they dont, wanna know why? Not because they are scared, but because they dont have the will to do so. I am MORE THAN SURE, that there are more GOOD CITIZENS in Mexico, then there are Pieces of @#@# running their country. THEY CAN FIGHT, and you know what, THEY COULD WIN, but they refuse to do so, and instead, go the easy way out and jump a fence leaving the rest of THEIR PEOPLE to suffer through the BS because they are too worried about themselves instead of trying to make their country better. At the same time, while American citizens are trying to fight the battle, we have people in our own nation, who refuse to accept the reality of the situation, and instead make it counter-productive for those TRYING to make things right.

This is not as simple of an issue of " LETS GET THE MEXICANS" as people are making it out to be by their favorite racist talking points from their favorite late night News channel running out of the white house. THIS IS REAL. Everyday, every night, our own citizens are getting the shaft because our inept govt refuses to do the right thing. The End.



[edit on 28-7-2010 by Common Good]

Originally posted by Common Good
ModernAcademia

You said-
"You can't just look at the issue with short-sighted eyes, you have to step back and look at the entire problem, and that problem is your federal Govt. not the illegals.
"

Isnt that what I said? And I quote...

"You are sitting here calling the people on this website BIGOTS because they are MAD at the government for treating them like crap and telling them that what THEY THINK does not matter?

WE are mad because the government FAILS to do what the people want, and instead do whatever the hell THEY want.

I'm not saying you don't completely understand the situation, in fact I do not know if you do or not.

But your solution to the problem is what is the problem.
You are just trying to fix the symptoms of the problem and not the root cause.
That won't help anything, it will just cause more money loss in law enforcement and PR.

You need to seperate yourself from the United States, you need border security from Mexico AND the United States.
In fact all southern states need to do this, or at least many of them.
Maybe there is a better solution but I can't think of any but it surely isn't yours, which I am assuming was letting the entire bill pass.

Just having the judge pass the bill in it's entirety wouldn't have done nothing but destabalize AZ just as Mexico is destabalizing. It was never in your best interest to find a poisonous band-aid solution.