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URGENT: Japanese tanker explodes near Strait of Hormuz

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posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:03 PM
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After zooming in on the picture it almost appears as if the outer hull was pushed through the ribs of the ship. Much like a cookie cutter.





posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:11 PM
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What suprises me on here sometime is how people just are baffled by what is going on in the world.

the chess game is being played out by the controlers of this planet just as planned.

everything that is going on about Iran,these incidences with neighboring countries. the jockeying for positions. the creation of allies for the forthcoming war.

Are we not awake yet?

the war in iraq.afghanistan soon iran have all been little moves for the bigger moves.

the media is doing it's job just right too, relaying the exact stories that it wants to highlight and bury's the ones that need not be told.

The global propaganda machine is in full swing and the sheep are following just as they have been programmed to do.

getting the general public to take sides

sabre rattling,so that the emotional human being falls into line.

creating a global economic crisis just at the right time so the disillusioned fill the armies.

The thing is are you ready for what is about to happen to you and your families.

have you been in a slumber waiting for the carnage.

have the courage not to take anysides.
have the courage not to do the wrong thing
the evil is not in you, it is in the ones you may choose to follow.

it is time for the world to wake up...if you believe your goverment ,that you will be fighting for a good cause well then you have become the slave they have been molding.

the plan is to reduce the global population...and we are that population.

what TPTB want is for us to take sides and fight the enemies.

but think about it...why on this earth is another human being your enemy or mine.

now you might say this is totally off thread topic.

but you may be wrong, this is yet another link in the propaganda machine to make us all pick and choose.

well i choose to believe in the human race...and not to be swayed to make judgement on falsehoods being presented all the time to drag us into a 3rd world war.

our enemies are not out there...our enemies are the very ones telling us that others are evil.

just my opinion

i also know as i have been trying to wake the world for a long time. just as many others like myself have, so dont be blinded by falsehoods as there is a day coming soon when we all will have to make descision that may save our lives and the lives of our familes.

once again just my opinion

but, saying that i have lived by these words by traveling the world and gaining understanding.

watch the game and learn from it, never be blind,the leaders of the world are puppets.

They are being led by the few who control the world.

As i was once told when i was young, always watch the news, then you will know what the lies are, and behind those lies, you will see the truth.

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posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:15 PM
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What if it is a failed attack?

How about "they" intended for the tanker to spill oil? Would be yet another oil spill in the environment and would also block a major oil route.

And, for some reason, the attacked failed (hit the wrong spot? new weapon?). Now they don't know how to cover it up and we got the freak wave tremor "explanation".

Speculations



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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It might get messy if it escalates.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:29 PM
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It could be an accident involving a mine. I have heard that there are still mines set by Iraq going back many years as well mines that the Iranians themselves have set and never recovered.

Within the last two or three weeks has there been any heavy weather in that area that might have dislodged a lost or mislocated mine?

It could also be that the Iranians were training in light of the tensions, and just let one get away.


OKay - skip that just saw the picture. Weird looking.

[edit on 28-7-2010 by mydarkpassenger]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:31 PM
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reply to post by Danbones
 
With the pic of the ship,.. look close and you see allot of black on the red,
Now could this be from an object it hit?
kind of high on the ship though, don't you think?
Still doesn't explain why the sailors saw a flash before and then heard an explosion



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:38 PM
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The damage is most likely not from a missile because there's no hole in the hull. The damage is too concentrated and symmetrical as someone has previously said so a freak wave also most likely isn't the cause.

Now you might be on to something when you said "a new weapon". I'm not trying to just throw anything out there but what about a Pulsed Energy Projectile? That could possibly account for a flash and also that type of symmetrical damage as well as the way the hull is pushed in. I know it may be a long shot but it seems like it's a lot more possible than a freak wave.

Here are 2 links about Pulsed Energy Projectile (PEP) weapons:

www.globalsecurity.org...

and

www.wired.com...

All I'm saying is this could be possible but I'm also open to other explanations.


(Edit for spelling)

[edit on 7/28/2010 by JessicaLeigh]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:59 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
reply to post by punkinworks10
 

I'm still going with siesmic wave.
.....
a fluid strike would account for the panels being dented more then the frame.


Whilst i would agree with you that a fluid strike might dent the panels more so would an air blast. There is absolutely no way a seismicly induced wave would have such a small target area at distance from the epicentre. Not a cat in hells.

This looks like it has been caused by an explosion AT A DISTANCE from the hull, i.e. not something striking the hull.

[Tin hat ON]
I guess the missile exploded prematurely
[Tin Hat OFF]

At present the coffee is still on you I think Danbones Danbones Dan dry bones now hear the.....oops!



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 05:06 PM
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I agree completely with your conclusions.

Pretty much what I said before I got to your post.

reply to post by Danbones
 


Oh dear - never mind the height feel look at the width. No way Dan would a wave like those make a nice small dent like this. Darn it the damn waves shown are probably longer than the ship by a good bit - oh wait - this was a mini-wave about 20ft high by 20 ft wide that flashed and crept up unaware on the tanker in a pretty much calm sea. Yup that will be it.

Latte please.

[edit on 28/7/2010 by PuterMan]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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I think that I can explain this. Please excuse my spelling before we even begin.
First I totally believe the crew, these guys know what they saw and felt ect.
second we have iran, israel and a guy who once said (on the lines of) " what iran and ???? are tiney countries, they are no threat to us' and is becoming desperate to save face as his embargo proably will not work.

Iran has only one small refinery so they 're-import' refined products. and Iran also tankers in WATER.

Iran recently had riots aginst there leaders and elections.

now to the tanker. I firmy believe that this was an attempt to take out the ships steerage/rudder and systems. And they came damn close, only a couple of feet!!! what kind of missle I do not know. But I do believe that they did not want to directly hit the ship. Too much evedence plus if it went wrong...way too much bad press

Why take out the rudder? A very large ship navagating a narrow horse shoe channel would flounder possiably run a grond.

Now comes the reason. untill this was all settled no ships insurance ( think loyds of london the largest ship ins. co.) would allow travel in that regin. shipping in that area would abruptly shut down.

electricy and water shut down, no fuel for vehicles =RIOTS

the only vehicles moving would be military = TURKEY SHOOT



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 05:38 PM
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removed by me: pointless to argue such things


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posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 05:42 PM
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Want some input: it LOOKS like there are burn marks on the outer edge of the damage. Am I seeing things or is this normal discoloration?

Just thought I'd point it out.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 05:44 PM
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I don't buy the freak wave: I've found no data on bad weather near the mouth of the gulf, nor for a seismic inspired event that might be blamed, even though that area is geologically active.

Plus, I just don't see how a wave that could do that (it might look small in a photo, but that's a BIG ship and a large area of damage) and yet could leave such a crisp, symmetrical and a very localized damage area. Or cause a "flash" as was described.

It doesn't look a mine either: there'd be a LOT more damage and a blast-pattern, and it wouldn't be symmetrical.

It looks as if a big square pile was pushed against the ship at a 90 degree angle, and then withdrawn the same way - straight back.

But if it was another ship, there should be a deep gouge at the center of the damage, maybe even thru the primary hull, and certainly long horizontal gashes in the paint and metal as a result of the momentum and the course of each vessel grinding against each other.

Plus: where's the smaller vessel? How come the tanker's radar didn't pick it up? The Japanese are some of the BEST sailors ever - I don't believe the bridge dropped the ball on this one, not with a ship and cargo worth that much.

Ok.. scenario time:

1. Someone wanted to cause an incident (political reasons) or disable the ship (pirates with a couple of tug boats, or just board and hold it hostage) whatever - that far back they might have been aiming for the engine room. They had a rubber raft and an RPG or a shoulder rocket, or a missile fired from land or another vessel far away.

Either way, it fell short of target and detonated, causing a localized blast wave. Close inspection of the damaged area should be able to find some shrapnel or evidence of explosive residue - if neither are found then scratch that idea.

2. Explosion inside the ship. The company said there wasn't anything in that location that should have been able to explode, plus the damaged area is concave not bubbled out as an interior explosion should, and an interior explosion would not have produced an exterior flash as reported.

3. Another ship collided with the tanker at a 90 degree angle at very low speed, that just happened to have squarish bow. I wonder what the tanker's speed was, that could account for the lack of scraping in the paint away from the main damage area.

Somehow, both ships, at least the tanker, failed to see each other on radar, and the guys on the tanker who had a visual of the flash, failed to see the other ship eyeballs-on.

Okay, the flash could have been intended to disorient the tanker deck crew, as shipX came in all lights off, with the intention of disabling and boarding the Tanker, or they just came in too fast meaning to steal it and banged into it.

Can't buy the big ship theory because of the lack of a radar contact, unless the other ship was stealthy.. Hmmm..?

4. The tanker was hit by a ufo/uso with a square prow or some really wild weapon. They came in cloaked and whammo!

[edit on 28-7-2010 by mydarkpassenger]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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that looks like compression damage to me.....it is possible that a sound weapon could have been employed to do such damage...
There is a demo on you tube of focussed sound and it definately depicts how powerful this weapon could be...
It is merely a barrel and chamber for an explosion of gas and air...the ring of energy is visible leaving the barrel, and then the structure they are aiming at collapses.....frightening really.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 06:05 PM
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from the explosion damage. I would say a small boat with explosive and it then sank. metal boat.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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for those that didn't read the link on pg2

Japan's transport ministry said there was an "explosion" at around 00:30 a.m. local time and cited the possibility of an attack on the ship, but port officials said there was no evidence.

No oil leaked from the supertanker, named M Star, although some members of the 31-strong crew were injured, said a general manager at the UAE port of Fujairah.

"The cause of the incident was a freak wave and there is damage in the upper accommodation decks of the ship," he said.

The ship moored near the port for repairs.

Oman's coastguard cited "a tremor" as the cause of the incident, while an official from the Omani transport ministry said it was "business as usual" in the Strait.

A seismologist in Iran, which with the United Arab Emirates and Oman borders the Strait, said there had been an earthquake in the region, although the U.S Geological Survey said it had no record of a tremor. [ID:nLDE66R13Y]

Captains of other ships near the incident also mentioned an earthquake, Attollah Sadr, head of Iran's Ports and Maritime Organisation, was quoted as saying by Mehr news agency.


www.alertnet.org...

The damage is limited because it takes a while for the broad face of the wave to overcome inertia and move and roll the ship, which would reduce the impact spread, and would not do damage forther from the initial impact point.

I mentioned rogue weather waves earlier as an example of how waves can do damage, but they were not refering to a seismic wave.

MULTIPLE sources say siesmic wave (and damage to upper decks)
go read the link
Multiple sources from different ships and countries.


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posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 06:14 PM
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a squarish/isolated freak wave?

Now, looking at some photos of mine damage, it looks like it could be the result of a shock from a mine bursting some distance away from the hull...

it also looks like an impact, but there's no scraping or paint damage.

some sort of pressure my guess...

what do they injured say? as they were the closest..



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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I don't care if multiple sources say seismic involvement there was NO SEISMIC EVENT RECORDED.

I am just a little surprised that you are swallowing the MSM/Gubbermint story hook line and sinker.

Damage to the crew quarters makes it sound even more like an explosive blast of water, but I am absolutely sure it was not caused by any earthquake or tsunami. Sounds to me as if the PTB have also got at the Japanese company since they seem to have changed their tune as well.

Somehow I doubt we are ever going to get the truth spelt out but we know.....


Edit: Just read that WHITEWASH report. I call BS on most of the content of that.

  • Even the USGS say there was NO TREMOR.
  • How come no other ship has been damaged by the rogue wave considering the traffic in this area.
  • The PORT says other ships reported an earthquake. The damaging S-wave tremors do not pass through water. Agreed the P waves can but they are not the ones that normally do the damage and in any event would NOT produce such a neat hit.
  • Where are the reports from the other ships that 'felt' the earthquake?


[edit on 28/7/2010 by PuterMan]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 06:35 PM
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If a false flag its not aimed at the US but Japan, for years there has been an element of japan that has wanted to remiliterise, if this is a false flag, big if, then its aimed at uncuffing the JSDF and allow worldwide non humanitarian deployment. To eventualy allow JSDF forces to be used as any other military would be used.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
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Oh boy, now the US Navy is getting in the situation... why not the Oman/UAE/Iran/Japan governments?

WHY THE FREAKING US NAVY?

Do they consider the strait of hormutz US property or what?


Correct me if I'm wrong here but I thought that the U.S. is pretty much the only defence Japan has as they are not allowed to build their own military anymore due to WW2/pearl harbor etc.

If that IS the case it would explain why the US would get involved if a japanese tanker was attacked.

"Why does Japan’s constitution forbid a military?
Japan's current constitution was written in 1947 under the auspices of the American forces deployed to occupy and rebuild Japan after World War II. The new constitution celebrated goals of peace and democracy; as John W. Dower says in his Pulitzer Prize-winning book on postwar Japan, Embracing Defeat, the document was the "crown jewel of the [American] reformist agenda." Article Nine explicitly forbade Japan from maintaining a military or from using force internationally for any reason. It permitted only a narrow self-defense operation, which was founded in 1954 as the SDF. Dower argues that fatigue and disillusionment with wartime nationalism made the Japanese readily willing to accept this doctrine. Much in agreement with General Douglas MacArthur, the leader of the American forces in Japan, they envisioned a "Switzerland of the Far East"—a nation that would make its way by finance, not force."

from: www.cfr.org...



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