Soon No One Will Be Classed as Normal According to Mental Health Experts

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posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:37 PM
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DON'T GIVE UP POSTERS,beleive it or not, you are ," THE PEOPLE." FREEDOM OF THE PRESS.




posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:41 PM
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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa
reply to post by this_is_who_we_are
 


And the homeless are getting the dollars from....where?

Medicare doesn't typically pay for psychiatric drugs beyond a handful of antidepressants without several counseling visits, and most homeless people aren't enrolled in Medicare to begin with.

I'm still not seeing the connection here. You're missing one component in your equation: the dollars.


The dollars come from county and state subsidies. In Washtenaw County, for example, there is a plan called "The Washtenaw Health Plan" that is tailored for extremely low income or indigent persons. It acts as a bridge betwen no insurance and Medicaid or Medicare.

This in itself is a good thing. But that answers your question as to where the dollars come from.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:43 PM
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Actually, in the case of cancer (easiest to find the statistics for, given we have the SEER program) has been on the decline since the late 80s/early 90s.

seer.cancer.gov...

This is the first table, listing the accumulated numbers for all cancers. You can break it down by cancer site in the drop-down menu above the table, if you'd like.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:45 PM
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You should look into the reibursements and limitations of that program. Most state/county programs reimburse less than Medicare, which is already a pretty pitiful reimbursement thanks to the Bush (and now Obama) cuts to Medicare funding. Most of these programs also only allow founder drugs to be given, that is, drugs that are old and have cheap generics available. Drug companies don't profit from this, as they don't make or sell generics, and the factories that do don't have drug reps.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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Originally posted by ghaleon12
The way it works is that you can act/be whatever you want and not be ill, but that moment you step into an office, then you can become "sick". But if you have money and are doing well in life, you can be free to act really anyway you want and not worry about "having something".

So even if there are some odd disorders like temperment disregulation disorder, or whatever, they are only applied to people who are admitting something is wrong by walking into an office. And if you say something is wrong, they will be more than happy to label you with something.


[edit on 27-7-2010 by ghaleon12]


You may be interested in this:

Rosenhan experiment
en.wikipedia.org...


The Rosenhan experiment was a famous experiment into the validity of psychiatric diagnosis conducted by psychologist David Rosenhan in 1973. It was published in the journal Science under the title "On being sane in insane places."[1] The study is considered an important and influential criticism of psychiatric diagnosis.[2]
Rosenhan's study was done in two parts. The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" who briefly simulated auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 different psychiatric hospitals in five different states in various locations in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they felt fine and had not experienced any more hallucinations.



Hospital staff failed to detect a single pseudopatient, and instead believed that all of the pseudopatients exhibited symptoms of ongoing mental illness. Several were confined for months. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release.

The second part involved asking staff at a psychiatric hospital to detect non-existent "fake" patients. The staff falsely identified large numbers of ordinary patients as impostors.

The study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" and also illustrated the dangers of depersonalization and labeling in psychiatric institutions. It suggested that the use of community mental health facilities which concentrated on specific problems and behaviors rather than psychiatric labels might be a solution and recommended education to make psychiatric workers more aware of the social psychology of their facilities...



[edit on 7/27/2010 by this_is_who_we_are]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by VneZonyDostupa
 


I never said mental illness was being created by a higher entity. I said that the chemicals and our environment are affecting the mental facilities. Illness has nothing to do with it.

This society has created a people that think anything that is in their lives can be cured or manipulated by some wonder drug. Just turn on the propaganda tube and watch the blatant big pharma cures. Restless legs, take this. Feeling sluggish, take this. etc. Then at the end of the ad, we get a 3 sec warning of the death, coma, blindness, etc possibilities of said cure. I am all for free advertising but I would think chemicals and medication should be required to have the downside of the product have the same time allotted in the ad.

There are other components also such as chemicals like aspartame, flouride, etc that have been PROVEN to be detrimental to cognitive reasoning yet those thing permeate almost every product out there.

Just saying that the majority of our maladies seem to be directly related to the poisons and chemicals that saturate our products. Amazing how the incidences of such things as cancer, diabetes etc have increased percentage wise to population, since the introduction of all these chemicals. I believe environmental impact of the mental capabilities and reasoning could be directly related as well.

[edit on 7/27/2010 by endisnighe]
OH, AND BY THE WAY, who created that?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:02 PM
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I suppose it can be said that the people that are trying to sell these drugs are also in need of some of their own medicine to keep them from cracking up about the new found medicine they are pushing. Next it will be out dogs and cats that will need pills to calm them down.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:05 PM
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reply to post by Brothers
 


Valium is already prescribed to pets such as dogs and cats. Has been for a while.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:08 PM
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Do they get government funding if they cannot afford to pay?

I could get a dog and get him diagnosed with bipolar disorder with obsessive compulsive tendencies!


Instead of "what about the children" we could start a "what about the pets" campaign.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
reply to post by Brothers
 


Valium is already prescribed to pets such as dogs and cats. Has been for a while.


It's given as an anticonvulsant, not an anti-depressant. So, while is sounds silly, there is a very good medical reason for it.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:33 PM
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I SAY F$#^*#$ THEM I AM NORMAL

That's why they need to be closed down too, shut them damn headshrinkers down, with their psuedo science!!!! Jerks!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by Carseller4

Global Warming Scientists manipulating, distorting, and deleting data to achieve a desired effect is another great example.


And what do they have to gain from it? They don't make extra money based on whether their prediction are correct or not...most of the "global warming scientists" (which isn't actually a real group, it's usually climatologists, geologists, environmental scientists, etc) work for universities and are paid the same regardless of if their papers are accepted by the scientific community or not.



True with a rather serious omission of fact. They must have research grants to do the research. It's not for money for them but to fund the research. That is why they can't be trusted and why Global Warming turned into such a scandal. That and the fact the earth has been in a cooling trend for over a decade which we learned was hidden from us by their own emails discussing the cover-up.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by VneZonyDostupa

Originally posted by Carseller4

Global Warming Scientists manipulating, distorting, and deleting data to achieve a desired effect is another great example.


And what do they have to gain from it? They don't make extra money based on whether their prediction are correct or not...most of the "global warming scientists" (which isn't actually a real group, it's usually climatologists, geologists, environmental scientists, etc) work for universities and are paid the same regardless of if their papers are accepted by the scientific community or not.



True with a rather serious omission of fact. They must have research grants to do the research. It's not for money for them but to fund the research. That is why they can't be trusted and why Global Warming turned into such a scandal. That and the fact the earth has been in a cooling trend for over a decade which we learned was hidden from us by their own emails discussing the cover-up.


Actually, that WASN'T in the leaked e-mails. The phrase you're referring to ("hide the decline") was taken out of context, and was meant to imply they were compensating for the lack of correlation between tree rings and temperatures over the last 50 years or so.

Climategate Exposed



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Once we rid ourselves of psychiatry, we will progress as human beings. Psych. is an unjustifiable junk science full of bunk.

People think they are sick when there are no real components to connect themselves to a psychological disorder. However, people buy and accept the easily darted out disorders and take horrendous medications to fight symptoms invented by psychiatrists and big pharma to fight ghosts of the figments of imagination.

Psychiatry is a fraud. The medications are second to Auschwitz.

Take that Psychiatrists and mental unhealth professionals.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 01:33 AM
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This post deserves a lot more stars than it has. It is actually one of the real conspiracies on ATS. This kind of thing has already been in progress. This is part of the "prison" that is being erected right in front of our eyes.

The thing that keeps is from looking like a prison component is the field of Psychiatry being cloaked in the guise of help. Psychiatry is most certainly not helping mankind. This is not to say there aren't good people who have gotten into the field, it just says Psychiatry as a whole has not and does not help mankind.

I call it a prison, but I could also term it as an extermination mechanism, or a control mechanism.

I'm not going to argue about it with someone, because these are the facts about psychiatry, and their ties with Big Pharma. You turn on that television, you do that web search and sooner or later you are going to find a drug commercial saying, "Are you depressed? Do you not feel comfortable in social situations? Blah, blah, blah," crap spewing out of their dirty mouths. A toxic drug for everyone it seems.

The outcome has never been good in all the people I have personally known that have gotten involved in Psychiatry's "help." They have done one or more of the following, attempted suicide, succeeded in doing so, beat themselves, gotten involved in more drugs, went off the deep end, etc. It's not good. And those sure are not good results.

This is one turd you shouldn't be able to gloss over. It's a turd, and that's the way it is.

It's the trillion pound elephant that too many people do not see. The weapon of mass destruction is sitting right in front of you, and you aren't supposed to see it. I'm telling you my friend, this is one elephant you had better learn to see. And you had better teach other people to see it as well.

Troy

[edit on 28-7-2010 by cybertroy]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 02:19 AM
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In the UK a number of shrinks have been treating Fibromyalgia as a mental disorder for years. And treating Fibromyalgia with anti depressants

In the UK under socialised health care you can only get a couple years treatment for mental disorders so then these people are dumped with no treatment.

Under the new socialised health care in the US i wonder how long before the insurance industry tries the same thing.

Oh in the 1930s diabetes was classed as a mental disorder.
This was because of the frequent co-occurrence of diabetes and psychiatric disorders in untreated diabetes.(insulin was not around back then.)

Mental illness can even be caused by the treatment (or the lack of proper treatment) for diabetes.
And diabetes can be caused by the treatments for mental illness.
clinical.diabetesjournals.org...

And treatment with anti depressants can cause diabetes and more serious mental disorders.

[edit on 28-7-2010 by ANNED]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 02:48 AM
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I always thought it would be kind of nice if the field of psychiatry would actually focus on helping people. I think one way to do that would be to focus on what is GOOD about you, and help you learn more GOOD things instead of focusing on what is "BAD" about you and how to get rid of it... without giving you other options to replace it with.

Psychotherapy... useful if you want someone to talk about your issues with. Useless if you are not capable of figuring out how to solve your problem yourself, questions like "What do you think?" and "How would you solve it if you could?" are worthless.

I don't know, I think psychiatrists got a little carried away. I liked it better when there were all kinds of personalities to deal with, it gave more variety and spice to life. Sure, if you are too sick to function, it is nice to have help. But nowadays practically everyone I know is psycho-analyzing everything about themselves instead of living.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 03:43 AM
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What? So we're finally going to figure out that nobody is normal? That everyone is unique with their own quirks, superstitions, etc. and that we can't define what a normal person is supposed to be like because that would be impossible? Great.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:16 AM
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Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are


You may be interested in this:

Rosenhan experiment
en.wikipedia.org...


The Rosenhan experiment was a famous experiment into the validity of psychiatric diagnosis conducted by psychologist David Rosenhan in 1973. It was published in the journal Science under the title "On being sane in insane places."[1] The study is considered an important and influential criticism of psychiatric diagnosis.[2]
Rosenhan's study was done in two parts. The first part involved the use of healthy associates or "pseudopatients" who briefly simulated auditory hallucinations in an attempt to gain admission to 12 different psychiatric hospitals in five different states in various locations in the United States. All were admitted and diagnosed with psychiatric disorders. After admission, the pseudopatients acted normally and told staff that they felt fine and had not experienced any more hallucinations.



Hospital staff failed to detect a single pseudopatient, and instead believed that all of the pseudopatients exhibited symptoms of ongoing mental illness. Several were confined for months. All were forced to admit to having a mental illness and agree to take antipsychotic drugs as a condition of their release.

The second part involved asking staff at a psychiatric hospital to detect non-existent "fake" patients. The staff falsely identified large numbers of ordinary patients as impostors.

The study concluded, "It is clear that we cannot distinguish the sane from the insane in psychiatric hospitals" and also illustrated the dangers of depersonalization and labeling in psychiatric institutions. It suggested that the use of community mental health facilities which concentrated on specific problems and behaviors rather than psychiatric labels might be a solution and recommended education to make psychiatric workers more aware of the social psychology of their facilities...



[edit on 7/27/2010 by this_is_who_we_are]


I am a ex EMT and have seen a small number of these fakes.

One was a biker that was unable to find good work under his own name because of numerous felony convictions.

He started to fake psychiatric problems and was DXed as mentally ill with schizophrenia.
The state doctors and patent advocates helped him get SSD and other state aid.

When wants extra money he goes to the next state over and works under a fake ID his biker buddies got for him. he also works doing machinists work for other people under the table

He lives in a small motor home and tows his bike around when he travels.
He makes enough money to live free and ride.

No one has ever checked to see if he is faking and he keeps getting SSD.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 04:30 AM
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Um... that wasn't the point of the experiment. One of it's points was to dispel the myth that "if you're here, there must be something wrong wth you".





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