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Getting paranoid over plastics.

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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Getting paranoid over Plastics.

Look I’m not a modern day Howard Hughes, I don’t wash my hands several times a day worrying about toxins, and bacteria. I am a simple man, working daily in a retail job. Though lately I have read more than one article on the “dangers of plastics”. As far as I am concerned, the oil industry (which provides the base substance of plastic), has not only been in control of my own country (the U.S.A), but virtually every country on the planet, for a very long time. The thought that basic plastic may be extremely toxic to us is:

1. Not only under-heard, and dismissed, but completely disputed, regardless of the facts.

2. Ignored because of the consequences. We are no longer able to imagine a life without plastic.

This journey, started many years ago, when I started looking at the best ways to store food and water, over a long period of time. No, not for any specific event: “12/21/2012”, “the collapse of our economy”, “Solar flares knocking out our electricity”. No, although I believe all of these are very possible, I wanted to conserve water and food for ANY and all unknowns.

The first thing I learned, Is 1: Do not store your water or food in plastics. That in fact over time, the plastics will emit toxic chemicals into your food and water, and to use glass if you are storing for the long term.

Then I learned something else: Do not refill plastic bottles with water.

“What? I’ve been doing this for years.” Before I go to sleep I have been refilling my same plastic bottle with water from the “purified water source”, and drinking at night as necessary. “Are you telling me this can be bad for me?”

Yes:

environment.about.com...

trusted.md...


msgboard.snopes.com...

answers.yahoo.com...

en.wikipedia.org...


As a “Water purification specialist”, I am very familiar with toxic chemicals and the ways they can enter the human body:

1. Ingestion: Talked about but will go further.

2. Inhalation: Have you ever smelled “new plastic”? Why is there a toxic odor? Could this be harming you physically? I don’t know.

3. Absorption: Actually absorbing the toxic chemicals through the skin. The most interesting of all and will come in near the end .

The trigger for posting this tonight,:

My fiancé and I were watching TV and an Oral-B tooth brush commercial came on. She said, “yep, that’s the one I use”. I jokingly said “yeah, well I make my own out of wood and horse hair bristles.” We both laughed and that was the end. Though, I at that point started to think about tooth-brushes. It is in fact a piece of plastic, we stick in out mouths and then agitate on a daily basis. How long before the toxic chemicals start leaching out? Immediately? One week? Three weeks? Does it really matter?

At that point started thinking about the big three:
Ingestion
Inhalation
Absorption


The third, immediately drew my attention. Absorption. How many times do I touch plastic on a daily basis?

My steering wheel
Virtually everything in my car
90% of everything I touch at work
90% of everything I touch at home
This computer.

When you start thinking about it, it get’s crazy.

As I’ve stated, even if this is true, we have gone way over the edge. There is no way back. Although I would like to know the truth.

If you have time, read the following:
en.wikipedia.org...

At that point, look at the overall cancer increase from 1929 till now.
People like to say that this increase is based on, lifestyle, diet, and many other factors. Yet this is never one that is discussed.

As far as I’m Concerned this is a Eugenicists dream. For all those who don’t know what Eugenics is, I’m not going to post links here. I have found it is far more revealing if you do your own research. Yet, PLEASE, look it up.


I look forward to your responses.

Thank you-

Dreamwalker74




posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:55 PM
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This post was not meant to alarm anyone. It on the other hand was meant to point out that there are very simple things that can harm you. Yes not only cigarettes, fatty foods, and other known harmful agents, but the most simple things of all. They would never tell you.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:07 PM
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I think you are right on target with your thought process and I have had the same thoughts about plastic containers when it comes to drinking water. When we buy water in 2 1/2 gal. plastic containers I have been noticing a residue in my glass of water and my skin starts itching. I can not prove that it is from the plastic but I suspect it could be the culprit. I have purchased drinking water and spring water in plastic containers and both have a residue. ^Y^



[edit on 26-7-2010 by amari]



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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Oh believe me this comes a little to close to home for some, and they cannot imagine their lives without these products.

This is almost the exact same thread that I recently posted (about 2 days ago). It has which plastics, which companies and products have them and the symbol associated with PVC/poison plastics.

So good luck, as I said before this isn't just about us here, this is about families and kids that use these products daily.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Peace to you...



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:14 PM
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When I started doing the reseach I was actually terrified. The fact that this could be the greatest adverse agent to our health, and would never be reported. The Government health agencies are obvioulsy in the pockets of the oil industry. It will take individual doctors and scientists to bring this to the forefront. However unlikely that is.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:17 PM
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Thank you, I will read your post. It also makes me angry that I haven't seen, or read your post, since I read as many every day as I can.
Thank You, Dreamwalker 74



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:28 PM
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Kind of makes one wonder. Whether this is legitimate or not. Why did I never see your post? Was it just musceled out?



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:32 PM
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There are food grade plastics that are more stable than standard plastics.

How much more stable, I do not know. Do all the items that come in plastic food grade plastic? I do not know.

Think about it, all the items of food that touch plastic. How about your meat, has that plastic moisture collector. If you think about it, there ARE not many things not made with plastic. I need to go to sleep now and slip into my polyester sweats in my polyester sheets. Just using this as an example, I own only cotton and other natural fibered clothes and sheets. I do not know why I have this quirk, maybe because of the fire hazards of plastic clothing, or the natural fire retardant ability of natural fibers. Or the softness of them, or their ability to breath. Or the lack of FIRE RETARDENTS sprayed on them. Jeez, the clothes thing just popped into my head and I had to mention it.

Now, how many of these plastics could be replaced with say a plant based product? They have them now.

Excellent questions OP.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:40 PM
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"I own only cotton and other natural fibered clothes and sheets. I do not know why I have this quirk, maybe because of the fire hazards of plastic clothing, or the natural fire retardant ability of natural fibers."

Maybe it's a natural survival instinct? Or just a natural fear of fire.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:48 PM
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Paranoia is irrational fear, your concerns are quite rational. I've read that plastics can be hundred to thousands of times more toxic than heavy metals, and that's the stuff that can cause diseases like autism and schizophrenia, supposedly!

I have no doubt that we're all stuck in this toxic chemical soup, and that we're all mutating at highly abnormal rates. Compared to background, species are dying off at about 30,000-40,000 times the natural rate. I think this may be comparable to our toxic load we're currently under compared to say .. pre industrial revolution times. There's a reason why so many kids die young of cancer. I've read that the detox capabilities based on genetics alone can vary up to 200X from individual to individual. My thought is that those on the lower end in capability die off first! The lucky ones at the upper end don't seem to be hurting much at all yet! Everyone in the middle is suffering based on various genetic susceptibilities.



Oh yes, as a solution, I think in the future we may make plastics from bacteria and algae. I think that it was said in an article I read that both types of plastics are biodegradable. I would tend to think that this would mean it's much more natural, and therefore less toxic, but could be wrong.


[edit on 26-7-2010 by unityemissions]



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:55 PM
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Well thanks a lot buddy.

I have been thinking about my bad habit of refilling then sticking in the freezer my plastic single use water bottles, but was blissfully ignoring the obvious wrongness of that.

I just want you to know, I just ordered a lot of 6 27oz Klean Kanteens (for only $78 bucks too) off eBay.

No more plastic bottles for me. And it was this thread that pushed me over the edge.

Nice work.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:58 PM
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Thank you, Looking into "Klean Kanteens".



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:01 AM
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reply to post by unityemissions
 


If you have access to any of the forementioned articles, I woud love to read and research them. Please post the posts on this link. Thank you.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:05 AM
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I honestly don't recall the articles. This is just tidbits that I've gathered over the years. I do recall that the part about detox varying so greatly, cancer being such a killer in kids, and the toxicity of plastics, coming all from the same book I read a while back.

This one:

Detoxify or Die !!



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:06 AM
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My girlfriend had the tendency to let the kids drink in used plastic bottles... I decided to go buy good old Thermos for everyone. She didn't like it at first ( because of the price!
), but know use it regularly. Same for the kids.

I began looking suspiciously at plastics after hearing a chemist in a documentary say that after having seen what leaked from the plastics inside of cans, she has never bought one again!

It made me think.

There are also many clothings made of plastics of some sorts.

We traded environmentally safe hemp materials for dangerous chemical ones... Dupont is to blame for this...



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:07 AM
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I don't see it as paranoia at all, it's actually becoming common sense to be wary of plastics and not only because of the known toxic and carcinogenic 'plasticizers' that leach out of the material. It's beyond doubt now from lengthy studies of areas affected by effluent from plastic producing industries that many types of polymers are mimicking hormones directly affecting animal development (that includes humans). The most obvious of all is on males of all species due to 'pseudo-oestrogen' in the environment which is making males progressively more female as the decades roll by. Long term effects cannot be at all good for any species' survival.

Those flexible silicone plastic baking pans give me the shudders as heat accelerates chemical reactions and breakdown of complex molecules.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:15 AM
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The problem is, that plastics have become such a huge part of modern day life. How long have you gone wihtout touching plastic, "Other than your keyboard" ?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:34 AM
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I wasn't really sure if it was muscled out either, but if you'd like, you can provide the links that I posted on your thread, this isn't about who's thread had it, it matters on who it informs.

This is to important to not spread the word, and thanks for doing so, I'm glad that people are replying and looking into this thread.

Peace to you...



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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Don't worry won't let it die. Best way, feed it in, as a general conspiracy that is ignored, in every post you write. Make people do the research if they care.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by Pilgrum
 


The problem is, that plastics have become such a huge part of modern day life. How long have you gone wihtout touching plastic, "Other than your keyboard" ?



That's just it, there's no escape from the stuff whatsoever unless you elect to live the life of a hermit in a cave somewhere but, even then, the effluent & contamination will get to you sooner or later. Whatever the damage is, it's already done and we're condemned to living with it.

Aint I the source of good cheer today



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