H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government, page 3

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reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:28 PM by BubbaJoe

reply to post by ziggy1706

I would like you to explain to some of the friends that were forced to go to war in Viet Nam, some came back with missing parts, some didn't come back.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:30 PM by Redwookieaz

All you folks that think it's a good think to have mandatory service to your country need to shake the cob webs out of your heads! The soldiers of the USA haven't been used to protect liberty yet this century. All they have been and will most likely continue to be used for is to further the agenda of the fascist scum that have stolen our government. Wake up. I hope that one day I wake up to hear that not a single person will "serve this country" via their war machine.

Now a defense type reserve force in case of attack I can understand but you are on drugs if you think they have used American soldiers for anything other than imposing tyranny this century.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:31 PM by On the Edge

www.opencongress.org...
H.R.1388 - The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
(Signed into law April 21,2009)

I thought this was the same thing?
There came a point when I just stopped looking into these,so forgive me for not being up to speed.

Just for reference's,y'all may want to check this out. It's not good,I'll tell ya that!

www.youtube.com...
U.S. GOVERNMENT BANS FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND RELIGON!!!! H.R. 1388 PASSED!!!
(Sounds a little dramatic,but when reading between the lines,it's easy to interpret the worst,...especially in bills that say "...and for other purposes..."! The devil is in the details,right?)

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:34 PM by kyred

reply to post by g146541

Billy spent time in Canada? I don't recall that. Not that I am an expert or anything. As I recall, the story goes, he received his draft notice, and he also had received a Rhodes Scholarship. He contacted a family friend, who got him a waver so Bill could go to England for a year on the scholarship. With a promise that upon completion of that year of additional education, he would then enlist in the military. Which, well, duh, he never did.

His wife though, really, really, really wanted to join the Marines, according to one interview, but she was rejected. I'm sure she was really, really, really sad. If it even happened.

Don't worry, though, Bill and Hillary have long ago surpassed any sort of minimum service to their country.

Cheney, too. And Rumsfeld, and Biden, and Geithner, and Rahm, and Palin, and Rand Paul, and Jeb Bush, and Bernanke, and Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Randi Rhodes, Al Franken, Michelle Bachman, Newt Gingrich, Phil Donahue, and, Arnold Schartzenegger, and the Kennedy kids, Chelsea Clinton, the Bush twins, the Gore kids, the list goes on and on of all the people who have selflessly served our country. Oh, yeah, Obama and his wife, Shelly, too.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:35 PM by Starbug3MY

The sad and sick part of this is even if we vote them all out, they will just ram their agendas through the back door until the new elected leaders take office. I hope we get good people in this time who will be able to rescind these oboma-nations.

They say we get the leaders we deserve, and I think most Americans deserve good ones. God help the good ole' USA.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:37 PM by ziggy1706

The poinit im making is, we all now know congress is chock FULL of puppets, misleaders and lepers, scandelous thieves and liars tha have NO intention of prtecting us form anything, exccpt themselves. so! for them to make us 'serve', its effin wrong ya know? it was wrong under lyndon b johnson and nixon as well, whne they imposed the draft..people prtested and got the message out nonetheless.
thieves, pedophiles watching kiddie porn as in the news past few days, in congress and lairs are telling us what we can and cannot do, its un american and agaisnt the constitution! thats my point. those in congress within the time frame should also be forced to serve as well.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:38 PM by BubbaJoe

reply to post by Redwookieaz

I am assuming by this century, you mean the last 10 years, and with that I will agree with you wholeheartedly. If you are talking about since 1900, I am going to disagree with you just as strongly.

It is not as if the USA military is a perfect organization, but it seems to me we pulled western Europe's butt out of the fire a couple of times from 1900 untill 1960. Not saying that we have not been involved in tyranny but let's take a realistic look at the true history of the world.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:41 PM by kyred

Originally posted by brilab45
We need to have Americans feel like Americans. What better way than to instill allegiance to our country.

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Besides, those that serve will be treated with better benefits and job opportunities than those who are abject to being strong individuals.

Those last two lines. You were jesting, yes?

If not, wow. What a wide brush you painted with. I'd like a brush like that to complete my next painting.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:44 PM by rangersdad

reply to post by SWCCFAN

Here is the info as posted on Thomas:
www.thomas.gov...:H.R.5741:

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:44 PM by eNumbra

Originally posted by brilab45
Millions of Americans through time have given their lives to freedom. What is wrong with giving young men and women reason to be members (with dignity) of our great country.

You are right; we should give them a reason to be proud citizens of America.

Not force them at gunpoint to fight for the agendas of the federal puppet-masters.

I see nothing wrong with it. Besides, those that serve will be treated with better benefits and job opportunities than those who are abject to being strong individuals.

Government regulated hand-outs as a perk make strong individuals?

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reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:46 PM by brilab45

Originally posted by kyred

Originally posted by brilab45
We need to have Americans feel like Americans. What better way than to instill allegiance to our country.

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Besides, those that serve will be treated with better benefits and job opportunities than those who are abject to being strong individuals.

Those last two lines. You were jesting, yes?

If not, wow. What a wide brush you painted with. I'd like a brush like that to complete my next painting.

Yes I did paint with a wide brush. Wanna be a no nothing, do nothing American? Gaurantee, you give a self sacrifice of yourself you will have better opportunities in the futrure. And frankly, I fully support those that give of themselves unselfishly. How about you?

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reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:49 PM by BubbaJoe

reply to post by ziggy1706

Wow, you know it didn't start with Johnson/Nixon, it goes back to at least the civil war. The draft as it was enacted during Viet Nam (Nixon/Johnson) started in 1926. Soldiers were also drafted/conscripted during the revolution/civil war/ world war 1.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:49 PM by Gorman91

reply to post by SWCCFAN

Honestly I don't have a problem with this. It makes every citizen a skilled person, perhaps even a soldier.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:51 PM by brilab45

Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by SWCCFAN

Honestly I don't have a problem with this. It makes every citizen a skilled person, perhaps even a soldier.

Umfff! Thank you for your candid response!

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:53 PM by g146541

Originally posted by BubbaJoe
reply to post by g146541

I honestly do not believe that most 18 YO's are truly capable of making decisions about their lives. .

And I agree!
The bigger thing to think about is these same kids who cannot make their own life decisions will be making decisions about someone else’s life on a battlefield.
Whether it be civilian or on their own team.

(Edit) I fergawt somethin.
The reason unemployement is so high is we buy all of our goods from China and have shut down all of the manufacturing in the US because conglomerants buy up mom and pop shops then liquidate to eliminate their competition.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by g146541]

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:53 PM by brilab45

reply to post by eNumbra

It gives incentive. Yes you are right. Star.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:55 PM by Redwookieaz

reply to post by BubbaJoe

No I mean this century but I'm not going to take the time to argue with you over why. Being as you are on this site I imagine you must know by now why I would feel that none of the prior wars this century had anything to do with liberty. They were started for a small group of bankers that made money by playing both sides.

That doesn't mean there wasn't honorable men and intentions on all sides but the wars were forced upon the masses by elitist scum.

They had nothing to do with liberty. If you cannot see this than my opinion is you need to look much closer at history.

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reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:56 PM by copper5661

I'm not for the mandatory 18-42, but I am in favor in bringing back the draft.

It would do a lot of good to serve the country for a couple of years.

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:57 PM by Bonified Ween

Goodluck taming that generation...seriously people don't even understand....

reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 10:58 PM by toltecnightmare

If you read a little further, passivists and tubbies have another option of duty, if you find combative training and combat immoral. I'm sure you'd be a janitor or receptionist in a government office.

This is what happens when too few people stand up and say "You've got this backwards, buddy: I don't work for YOU!"