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H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government

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posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by mordant1
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Che? Really? WOuld it take what kind of common law loving lawyer to take as insignificant the thousand or two summary executions directed by and occasionally performed by 'che' on arrested cubans, benificent loving che, who had no time or use for particular facts of individual cases or circumstances, and proudly stated such rather instead dispensing his own brand of lethal social justice based on his mood and his perception of the common good.
Ernesto was a romantic upper class pyschopath,, looking to excuse his own demons of need to purge his own comfortable upbringing by judgmentalsm and control of others, up to and including his morbid fear of bathing and other personal hygiene.


[edit on 29-7-2010 by mordant1]


Not sure if you didn't understand what I stated, when he was a youth and up UNTIL the invasion of Cuba by him and Fidel and the rest, he was a good man. AFTER the invasion and the brainwashing by Fidel, who is a Mason BTW, then he went downhill. But he always fought FOR the people. I have many friends from Cuba and a few other friends, Americans, who went to study music in Cuba. They all say the same thing about the people of Cuba and Che's respect there. IT WAS AFTER the arguement with Fidel that he, Che, changed dramatically.

As for the other comments, I can only laugh, I have no "hate" and don't use the word. My children are forbidden from using it too.

Funny how you people jump to conclusions without any or little research.

I stand by what has been stated. Socialism will never work, has never worked and the Masons are the biggest problem in this country. I could go on but it is getting a bit off post topic.

No 2 year service to a corporate military/indusrial machinations.




posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 12:48 PM
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Not a flame at you, just discussion and explanation of my position, and apoint directed at the chillin here, but I kinda judge a man based on the lack of massive personality failure at any time, kinda like we're all good until we go bad, so the differentiating data is at the end of the race, not the beginning of the race.
Many dont know ernestos extremely sociopathic and perverse adult years, his well groomed and sanitized and equally fictional image of benificensce and love being so well packaged that even I have his iconic tshirt in my drawer.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:01 PM
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yes, i have read your posts...i love people who claim they are here to educate others. how very non pretentious of you. i don't care what you or your "99%" of america may think about mandatory service to their country. you are all free loaders and cry babies. true socialism is to defer your personal gain in favor of a truly strong nation where everyone contributes and benefits. the corruption of the idea by human nature is unfortunate.

you perfectly reflect the nonsense i see and read day in and day out on this site. you don't like my opinion so you have attacked me personally, my beliefs, my service to this country; justifying it with nonsensical arguments to detract from the only point that i have made in every post on this topic.

service to this country should not have to be mandatory. it should be ingrained into your being. if it is not then you don't belong here. if you feel it should be otherwise, go somewhere else and make your own little country where nobody has to do anything and everybody can just run around and do what they want...like somailia. you live here, you enjoy all the benefits of this society and yet you feel that this is yours without cost by right of birth. also complaining non-stop is not a right, it’s just annoying.

your logic is unsound, your "educational" posts highly suspect; littered with fear, hate, and discontent...something that, i submit, you would have the tools to deal with had you ever served in any capacity.

but you have really started to bore me. burning the koran will not make any difference and the fact that you feel the need to lower yourself to such an act only underscores my opinion that your genitals strongly resemble an anatomically correct barbie doll.

you didn't serve, you've actually cried on here for 3 solid days about the possibility of someone forcing you to serve...and trust me, no one wants you in the military...so don't start with the military service should be voluntary garbage again. public and civil service is also accepted. kids in tulare county in CA already have to do community service in order to graduate jr. high and high school. see, you are even a bigger complainer than jr. high school students.

your opinion does not matter to me in the slightest. you have not served and so are not really a person to me. just another immigrant mooching off of true americans.


[edit on 30-7-2010 by TheWrongStuff]



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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Could you possibly be any more brainwashed


Service should go towards the community, not the government.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:20 PM
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could you possibly be more ignorant. service should go toward your country. government is another word for a collection of functioning retards who have intentionally been placed in a single location in order to prevent their useless nature from infecting the advancement of the species. you would know my opinion on this had you read any of my posts instead of just forming an opinion based off a single read. but i have come to expect that from most of the ats members. further evidence that opposable thumbs do not necessarily separate men from monkeys.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:27 PM
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And you think I'm the ignorant one!


Government has two latin roots. Govern, and Ment. Govern means control or authority, ment means thought or mind. The actual translation of government is authority of thought, or mind control.

And you think we should serve this system of mind-control..



Brainwashed and foolish, yes ... you are.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:37 PM
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do you have difficulty reading? do you suffer from some horrible affliction that prevents you from cognitive thought processing; like understanding what you are reading? if so let me know and i will ease up on you. you have perfectly displayed my point that despite everything that i have stated...repeatedly...you still think that my stance on this is government service. you are wrong, your opinion does not matter, you are not a true american, and i don't care if you are even capable of advanced thought. looking up the latin definition of words and spelling them out like retard hour on sesame street doesn't make anything you have said more relevant.

you should not have to be forced to serve your country. you should just do it because it is the right thing to do. if it is not the right thing for you to do you should leave and make room for the rest of humanity that wants to make something of this country and themselves.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:40 PM
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I test in the gifted range, and am called "brilliant" by people on a regular basis..



No point in debating with a fool..

Take care!



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:46 PM
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i fail to see at what point this was actually a debate as opposed to you just spouting off random nonsense...but good for you.

as for the gifted...read: special...and "brilliant". let me know how that works out for you little guy.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:48 PM
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Random?

Nonsense?

Seems that you're the one with an inability to read and be cognizant.




posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:50 PM
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also complete nonsense

but you have my attention...proceed.

-[edit]-

huh. must have tripped over his special and landed on his brillance.

[edit on 30-7-2010 by TheWrongStuff]



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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This thread has turned ugly.

It may have already been said and if so I apologize but I can't take the time to scroll through 27 pages of repetitive arguing to find out:

The person who introduced this bill on July 15th, Charles Rangel, has been charged by the bipartisan House Ethics Committee earlier this week with 13 separate ethics violations. story here

It appears he'll only get a slap on the wrist, but..

Looks like his peers weren't too keen on his idea of forcing their children and family members into government slavery.

::wipes sweat from forehead::



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 07:18 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 




What, you the site owner now? Just took a looky see at your home page. I may be loud and brash, but I make my points and I admit when I am wrong.

How bout you?

You been spouting off about what is good for the country right?

Well, now that precedent is been set with forced purchase of health insurance.

And you here spouting off about slavery being for the good of the country and the communist party.

I suppose GM could build like 10 million of those crap Volts or whatever they are called and the government can force us to buy them.

What is good for the party erm I mean country right?

Oh, as for your condescending attitude about the Tea Party, are the progressive communists getting scared about the silent MAJORITY over there yet on the east coast? Mr Mason.


[edit on 7/30/2010 by endisnighe]


First, I personally am not a Freemason but do support the group in its efforts so let's get that straight.

Second, Like it or not but by 2030 there will be no more petrolchemical powered transportation produced new as the very concept of oil is forever tainted. Too much bloodshed lays at the feet of oil. Unless you live in a city with a pop of larger then a half million you better get used to petrol free. The Planet and the Middle East cannot take much more.

Each of the 2 big issues recently tackled (Healthcare and Fianance) both locked down external influence into our nation through both peices of legislation.

Third, the end of this "Us-v-Them" thinking needs to be rewired to be from the current "Left-v-Right" to the more hopeful and optimistic "American-v-Anti-American". We are all one darn nation and when is everyone going to wake up to the fact.

I've got the thumb on how things are and if I had an inkling or thought that anything presented before The People's Government would end up destroying it and do jack squat to help it make no mistake and have no illusion the item would die a cold painful death and would either be tabled or declined for submission at Comittee! My allegiance to this nation runs very deep. Deeper then some could say but this is our nation and does not belong to anyone.

For those who see this as socialism please not even bother replying as your cries fall on deaf ears.

Why are people so hateful on a real tip? What is so wrong with wanting to provide for someone? What about those who are wheelchair bound? Do they get executed? No, because that is not the American way.

"The New Colossus" by Emma Lazarus, 1883
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

The preceeding text is the poem that is forever enshrined and on a plaque that sits on Liberty Englightning The World or the more wider know, The Statue Of Liberty who sits about 2 1/2 miles from my house and can see her from my roof. The essence and symbol of liberty and The American Way!

Some aspect of this nation that most do not realize is the work of those whose imapact is minimal and not always those whose impact is greater.

We all come from different backgrounds, holy faiths but the thing that connects us all is that we do live in a wonderful nation where even someone with no money can become a somebody.

Never give up on your nation because without it you fight each other for no reason.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Third, the end of this "Us-v-Them" thinking needs to be rewired to be from the current "Left-v-Right" to the more hopeful and optimistic "American-v-Anti-American". We are all one darn nation and when is everyone going to wake up to the fact.


People who believe in forced socialism are anti-American. I mean really what is a true American? Someone who believes in personal freedom. And if you restrict personal freedom in any way, you are anti-American.

It's not about being right or wrong, moral or immoral. It's about leaving people the hell alone.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by mryanbrown

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Third, the end of this "Us-v-Them" thinking needs to be rewired to be from the current "Left-v-Right" to the more hopeful and optimistic "American-v-Anti-American". We are all one darn nation and when is everyone going to wake up to the fact.


People who believe in forced socialism are anti-American. I mean really what is a true American? Someone who believes in personal freedom. And if you restrict personal freedom in any way, you are anti-American.

It's not about being right or wrong, moral or immoral. It's about leaving people the hell alone.


The American Way is to not hate one another but to come together under a common goal to end each others ails and to address everyone's grievances. What most who seem deadset against anything that will benefit the nation positively fail to realize is that without legislation and a hint of taking care of your fellow man.

What if you were wheelchair bound and were told that there is no help for you, you'd be irate and mad and wish it changed so the fact you are presumably still fully able bodied means that fortunately you do not have to live like that.

I used to go to a certain school where most of the kids were lucky to even get a fleeting glimpse on what "society" decrees as "normal". I have a bipalegiac friend who lives in Norway who cannot use his legs due to some type of neurophysical disorder, what hope does he have if he cannot walk and to drive needs peddle extenders. He, himself is like 5' 6".

I have adult ADHD extreme and other items that keep me bound and I want to get off of SSI but clearly do not have the ability to hold down a 5 day, 40 hour work week. I don't know if my head is gonna still be with me from one minute to the next and it tends to lockup on me and takes at times, hours to days to fully recover. There are days when the weather, emotions around me have me literately split in a thousand different ways which makes me appear traditionally dead to the world and oblivious to everything. I have to turn to not so nice extremes to shut it down.

Are you saying that all handicapped and disabled people must be exterminated? Someone else thought that way, they were Nazi Germany.

In that school I attended from 1992 - 1994 had like 3 fully blind kids, at least 2 were wheelchair bound, 2 had grand maul siezures, at least 40 had a developmental defect and disorders. I feel for everything that each and everyone of them must face and deal with on a day to day basis.

I'm gonna issue a special chance for 3 diehard conservatives. What item that is based in reality that y'all see that is the matter with the nation that at least 100 Million could get behind? Any item that hints at either the decrease in the size of Govt, a change of leadership (Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Ried, et al), repealment of any social program will not be considered as well as anything that could potentially cost someone their job. I also do not care to hear the GOP-Tea Party talking points either.

I will see what I can do to get the item on the dockett for sometime Early to Mid 2011.

Another purpose I have here is to not fight with anyone as that will do nothing constructive for anyone.

[edit on 31-7-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 01:40 AM
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Wow someone could be called into duty at age 40,42??!! Whooaa!
I find this irrational, as with US citizenship skyrocketing in millions, I am SURE they should have enough "volunteers" or through conventional lottery system. * Unless they paln on have USA defending and or fighting the entire planet?



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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Originally posted by TheWrongStuff
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true socialism is to defer your personal gain in favor of a truly strong nation where everyone contributes and benefits. the corruption of the idea by human nature is unfortunate.

you perfectly reflect the nonsense i see and read day in and day out on this site. you don't like my opinion so you have attacked me personally, my beliefs, my service to this country; justifying it with nonsensical arguments to detract from the only point that i have made in every post on this topic.

service to this country should not have to be mandatory. it should be ingrained into your being. if it is not then you don't belong here.

your logic is unsound, your "educational" posts highly suspect; littered with fear, hate, and discontent...something that, i submit, you would have the tools to deal with had you ever served in any capacity.



you didn't serve, you've actually cried on here for 3 solid days about the possibility of someone forcing you to serve...and trust me, no one wants you in the military...so don't start with the military service should be voluntary garbage again. public and civil service is also accepted. kids in tulare county in CA already have to do community service in order to graduate jr. high and high school. see, you are even a bigger complainer than jr. high school students.



[edit on 30-7-2010 by TheWrongStuff]


I cant disagree with you in the least. Anyone not willing to protect his culture and family forces another man to do the duty twice and for no additioal thanks, recognition or regard for his own rights. A culture of excuse-ism and non participation gets consumed by one that is more frimly based in laws of the jungle. Why are some afraid of duty? Selfishness and narcissism, "Oh MY mommy told me I was soo speshul and to let those ignorant fools protect my extra espeshul genes"
In all animal societies, there is no leisure of retirement class for the nonproducer or under acheiver. They're universally shunned and usually killed if they try to stick around and leach off the ones doing the work. That's our origin and why we evolved to something potentially higher and why seeking a life of nonproductive leisure is not socially functional or sustainable.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:11 PM
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Originally posted by TheWrongStuff
you are all free loaders and cry babies. true socialism is to defer your personal gain in favor of a truly strong nation where everyone contributes and benefits. the corruption of the idea by human nature is unfortunate.

you perfectly reflect the nonsense i see and read day in and day out on this site. you don't like my opinion so you have attacked me personally

service to this country should not have to be mandatory. it should be ingrained into your being. if it is not then you don't belong here. if you feel it should be otherwise, go somewhere else and make your own little country

your logic is unsound, your "educational" posts highly suspect; littered with fear, hate, and discontent...

genitals strongly resemble an anatomically correct barbie doll.

public and civil service is also accepted. kids in tulare county in CA already have to do community service in order to graduate 8jr. high and high school. see, you are even a bigger complainer than jr. high school students.

your opinion does not matter to me in the slightest. you have not served and so are not really a person to me.


[edit on 30-7-2010 by TheWrongStuff]


What you are promoting is not socialism, but National Socialism. Adolf Hitler advanced his ideas with the thought that service to one's country, and ultimately the leader of that country (the Fuhrer, Adolf Hitler) was something that people should not be asked to do...and he did not ask. He instituted harsh programs of indoctrination and "national contribution". These projects created the Autobahn, built factories (that pumped out tanks, planes, and submarines for almost a decade), gave people jobs, and instilled a sense of national pride in those who saw their country being "rebuilt". Their country was not being rebuilt, it was being set up for destruction, and everyone who contributed through mandatory national service was being used, abused, lied to, and slowly destroyed from 1939 onwards. This law sets the ground work for such a service to be instituted in America, where your service, and the goals of such services, are molded by leaders you may disagree with.

I see you as being just as pretentious as anyone else in this thread when you say anyone who disagrees with you are cry babies and free loaders. I don't have a problem with you saying anything, honestly, but you complain that people are attacking you personally. But, you just said others are cry babies...is this not hypocrisy?

The only person that doesn't belong in America, is someone who thinks that you can tell me how to live my life. I don't give a damn about your politics, or your ideas of social structure, or anything else that you think makes you better than all the "idiots" in America. You are seriously uninformed if you think this country was founded to enslave it's people to serve whatever agenda you or your political gods deem to be the law. My family fought and died for freedom...so we've already created a country where we can do what we want. I don't need to go to Somalia. I love the USA, not Nazi Germany.

Your posts are full of discontent, fear, and hate, and I again submit the hypocrisy of your arguments. Everyone that doesn't believe the way you do can go away...that's fear, hate, and discontent wrapped up in one. The genitals remark doesn't even need to be discussed in any intelligent fashion, does it...it is fairly indicative of where you are coming from in this discussion.

And who is governor of California? I guess it is no surprise that Arnold Schwarzenegger is there to keep laws in place to educate and indoctrinate people the way the government wants.

Let me tell you one thing, the only true American is one who serves his conscience. Maybe I don't want to die in Iraq, or whatever other third world country we are "liberating" in a perpetual war that makes the military industrial complex richer, and kills our sons and daughters needlessly.

[edit on 31-7-2010 by Yog-Sothoth]



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 08:35 PM
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A culture of excuse-ism and non participation gets consumed by one that is more frimly based in laws of the jungle. Why are some afraid of duty? Selfishness and narcissism, "Oh MY mommy told me I was soo speshul and to let those ignorant fools protect my extra espeshul genes"

In all animal societies, there is no leisure of retirement class for the nonproducer or under acheiver. They're universally shunned and usually killed if they try to stick around and leach off the ones doing the work. That's our origin and why we evolved to something potentially higher and why seeking a life of nonproductive leisure is not socially functional or sustainable.


What you want is a government that tells you what to do, when to do it, and how long you have to do it. That is not freedom, and that is not why this country was formed. Everyone is special in America, and it seems you want everyone to follow a mindless leader like a group of meek sheep. No thanks. Individuality, and freedom of expression, are the truest innate freedoms that we still have, and you wish to destroy it. People like you do not see the beauty of humanity, as you wish to control it and mold it to your liking.

A free society like the one we have built in America cannot operate in the way that you describe. Control, and the indoctrination of a society brings about a slowing of technological advancement, as well as cultural advancement. Your control always limits human nature, and sparks of genius...it doesn't in any way help society advance and change. Control is the complete opposite of change...it isn't that hard to get.

Well, you cite animal society and use it to back up your statement, yet you say that is why we evolved. How does that even make any sense at all? If we evolved, then we would operate in a different way than animals...right?

If you want to serve, go ahead. But the government will never tell me what to do, especially in this era of colonialism that the American politicians seemed to be so enamored with. I'll die in America, and I will never support a government that sends our bravest to die nowhere near our borders. It's bad enough that my taxes go to fund and offensive war, not a defensive one.

So, to all the control freaks, you can moan and whine about how people should do this or do that, but realize that people already died to create a free society that allows you to do just that (if you live in America). And, everyone in America can do whatever the hell they want, so long as they don't take away the rights of others.

And, yeah, I have the right to be free. It is my right to not serve any idiotic politician, and I do so every day. I refuse to listen to any lying, scheming, fool in Washington...the only one I've ever heard who makes any kind of sense is Ron Paul.

And, if you have a problem with what I say, then it makes me happier than you can ever know. The reason is that I know that you have the right to disagree with me, and voice your opinion. Rejoice in your freedom, and wake up from the indoctrination and control that has taken your identity from you...or don't. I really don't care...it's your life. Live it however you want.



[edit on 31-7-2010 by Yog-Sothoth]



posted on Aug, 1 2010 @ 12:59 AM
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We are nowhere near where Germany was prior to the rise of The Riech as we now and today have one benefit that those poor people did not :

The Information Superhigway - World Wide Web!

If the www did not exist alot more things could've gotten passed through with as much as a peep.

Please for the sake of the nation let us not be at one another's throats. We will always have the power because Lady Liberty's Torch is bright tonight!



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