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H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government

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posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 11:27 PM
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I am for this mostly. The fact that public service can be nothing more then volunenterring picking up garbage or organizing a public garden/project to beautify a part of your neighbourhood that currently is decrepid or in shambles.

It is an attempt to bring this nation together united under a common goal as for the last year this nation is being divided and like a powder keg the stupidest thing is gonna set it off. Something like this is what we need. The end of the "Left V Right Paradigm" is imminent if we want it to because when we come together for us all we can defeat anything.




posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 12:03 AM
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Yes, I would have to agree, slavery would bring both sides together under the same umbrella.

Umbrella of tyranny.

I would like to do a poll on this issue. Age, college, profession.

I bet it would be VERY telling.

edit to add-I think we should do the same thing they did during the Civil War. Just go from neighborhood to neighborhood and anyone that could not pay the fee gets rounded up and thrown in the meat grinder.

What say you everybody, people that cannot pay the fee all go to war in Iran. We will give you a rifle and send you over.

[edit on 7/29/2010 by endisnighe]



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:12 AM
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Friends, neighbors, world citizens, lend me your minds....

I would say there is no way they would pass this but they already passed last years HR1388.
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I really hate to bother you all right now but many don't see the whole picture here, or if they begin to see it they seem to "snap back into line" and do everything in their power to deny what is going on (oh we can't do anything to change that, why try; I don't want to deal with that I have bills to pay, people to do, my next fix to find; if I vote for a third party my vote is surely wasted; I don't believe that my government could possibly betray me, so why should I bother even checking up on them and other bullcrap defeatist excuses); but >>>>>>>> the Global Power Elite (GPE) is playing their endgame and the result if they win will NOT be nice, good, fun or fruitful for the common person.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:03 AM
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Just to get something straight, I volunteer my happy little arse off, I help people for the sake of helping, raise my children to be positive members of society and contribute to society on a very regular basis. But the day that my freedom to choose whether or not to "volunteer" is taken away is the day I begin fighting until I am dead or my right to choose is restored.

You people and the government have no right to tell me or my children or anyone else that we must serve our government, you are attempting to violate our rights by doing so and you should be ashamed for it. This is still America, barely and in America government's job is to serve the people, not the other way around. If you still insist on forcing me into forced labor then at least be honest and start calling our country what it really has become, the USSA or the United Corporations of the country formly known as America.

I came to this realization a while ago....

How can I pledge allegiance to a flag that stands for a republic which hasn't existed for nearly 100 years?!? A republic is for the people, by the people. America is currently for the corporation, by the corporation. I believe in the founding principles that America was created on, very strongly and America is no longer practicing or respecting those principles. I can not and will not support this charade that has been presented to us pretending to claim that America is a republic, for the people. I am a patriot, a true patriot, one of the few who is making sure to stay eternally vigilant and exercise his 1st Amendment rights to speak out against the lies that America has primarily become.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:46 AM
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Oh my, USA is such a joke. A new NAZI regime will be forced upon you, and you will be committing (forced to) crimes against humanity - just like Germans and Soviets did, and then in 20-30 years we will be seeing films about how could it happen... again... what led to this, why world did not respond to the signals... bla bla bla

sheeple, there is no human evolution.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 05:48 AM
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Nice post, star for you!



This global money elite are like leeches...a massive cancerous tumor
wrapped around the brain stem of American. And instead of trying
to remove the tumor we instead treat the symptoms with
liberal and conservative politics.

The big problem is...I don't know if we can remove the tumor without
killing the host.

What I do know is that the cancer is malignant, and the host is near
comatose..............WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 11:56 AM
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You are soooo funny. "I" haven't done anything? Maybe read my thread and SEE what I have done. I have worked with many other people to educate the public on what is truly happening in the world today.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



What have you done? Other than make stupid claims and rant. Socialism is the most idiotic idea ever presented or written of. Marxism as well. I do however admire Ernesto (Che) Guevara, although he was mislead into believing a bunch of bullcrap. He left Cuba because he and Fidel could not agree on which country to trade with, Che wanted things FOR the people and Fidel was a power monger. Che was mistaken by the rhetoric of Fidel and others. He was a good man, but that ended there.

As for your ideas, what a bunch of crap. I will bet 99% of "Americans" would never consent to mandatory involvement if they knew the true history of Masonry and the founding of this nation. It's all a load of crap. Like I said, socialism has never worked, will never work and is the worst idea in the history of the universe.

Please do some research on the subject. i belong to a union and I hate it. Some of the people hired here, lied to get in the door, once in the union, they are in for good. I have told them to stay the feck away from me, do not ackownledge me in any way and NEVER ask me for help. I would rather they die than work next to me, I hate liars and bull#ters. I truly wish death upon those people who cannot figure things out for themselves, sad but true. I can point you in the direction of knowledge, but I will NEVER hold your hand.

That is how nature works to, only the strong will survive. Socialism is for the weak.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 12:08 PM
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Che? Really? WOuld it take what kind of common law loving lawyer to take as insignificant the thousand or two summary executions directed by and occasionally performed by 'che' on arrested cubans, benificent loving che, who had no time or use for particular facts of individual cases or circumstances, and proudly stated such rather instead dispensing his own brand of lethal social justice based on his mood and his perception of the common good.
Ernesto was a romantic upper class pyschopath,, looking to excuse his own demons of need to purge his own comfortable upbringing by judgmentalsm and control of others, up to and including his morbid fear of bathing and other personal hygiene.


[edit on 29-7-2010 by mordant1]



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 01:53 PM
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I am pretty sure our president made this pretty clear on his campaign trail. This did not come as a surprise to me. I don't believe in forcing someone into the military but forcing someone to do SOMETHING with their life is not a bad thing.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Yes, I would have to agree, slavery would bring both sides together under the same umbrella.

Umbrella of tyranny.

I would like to do a poll on this issue. Age, college, profession.

I bet it would be VERY telling.

edit to add-I think we should do the same thing they did during the Civil War. Just go from neighborhood to neighborhood and anyone that could not pay the fee gets rounded up and thrown in the meat grinder.

What say you everybody, people that cannot pay the fee all go to war in Iran. We will give you a rifle and send you over.

[edit on 7/29/2010 by endisnighe]


No damn tyranny, if serving your Government is somehow wrong then pack your bags and get out of this nation. Don't even file for any Social Security when you qualify for it. Tea Bagger Plant!

This is NOT a backdoor draft, why is community service such a bad thing? Why because a BLACK MAN is proposing it. Guess what, I do not wear a uniform but have served this nation in other capacities. Try serving your nation without having an alterior motive and you may actually learn something. Life is not cookie cutter and we should stop treating it that way.

It will give you a sense of community pride and a sense of accomplishment that you are able to put your political differences aside and actually do something positive for your community.

[edit on 29-7-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by daddio
reply to post by TheWrongStuff
 


You are soooo funny. "I" haven't done anything? Maybe read my thread and SEE what I have done. I have worked with many other people to educate the public on what is truly happening in the world today.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



What have you done? Other than make stupid claims and rant. Socialism is the most idiotic idea ever presented or written of. Marxism as well. I do however admire Ernesto (Che) Guevara, although he was mislead into believing a bunch of bullcrap. He left Cuba because he and Fidel could not agree on which country to trade with, Che wanted things FOR the people and Fidel was a power monger. Che was mistaken by the rhetoric of Fidel and others. He was a good man, but that ended there.

As for your ideas, what a bunch of crap. I will bet 99% of "Americans" would never consent to mandatory involvement if they knew the true history of Masonry and the founding of this nation. It's all a load of crap. Like I said, socialism has never worked, will never work and is the worst idea in the history of the universe.

Please do some research on the subject. i belong to a union and I hate it. Some of the people hired here, lied to get in the door, once in the union, they are in for good. I have told them to stay the feck away from me, do not ackownledge me in any way and NEVER ask me for help. I would rather they die than work next to me, I hate liars and bull#ters. I truly wish death upon those people who cannot figure things out for themselves, sad but true. I can point you in the direction of knowledge, but I will NEVER hold your hand.

That is how nature works to, only the strong will survive. Socialism is for the weak.


Do not cutdown The Order Of The Freemasonary, even though shrouded in secrecy the Order is an ally of the people and an ally of The USA. They've done more to help keep us on course then what most give them credit for. If we want a law either pushed or defeated we rely on The Order and guess what, if we want the law to go through we get them behind it and if we want a law defeated we get them against it. They've got a ton of clout and sway and independantly have enough "juice" to stop the takeover cold.

I've spoken to quite a few high level Masons (40th degree and higher) and can trust in The Order to keep our nation free for all.

The Order is responsible for The Constitution.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:35 PM
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Don't worry, never planned on collecting socialist security. As a matter of fact, 20 years ago I learned quite quickly while unemployed the DOE defaulted my student loans.

A breech of contract.

So take your socialist crap and shove it. Glad to know the Masons are behind the Federal Reserve.

I suppose the Federal Reserve is our friend also? How bout constant war? Agenda 21?

Go peddle your slavery to people that do not read.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


Don't worry, never planned on collecting socialist security. As a matter of fact, 20 years ago I learned quite quickly while unemployed the DOE defaulted my student loans.

A breech of contract.

So take your socialist crap and shove it. Glad to know the Masons are behind the Federal Reserve.

I suppose the Federal Reserve is our friend also? How bout constant war? Agenda 21?

Go peddle your slavery to people that do not read.


They are not behind The Federal Reserve. NM Rothschilds & Sons, Ltd. UK is solely and exclusively behind it. Learn the history.

This is not SLAVERY. If 43 or 41 would've propsed this more GOP people would've gotten behind it. The fact that a democrat and a BLACK MAN is proposing it makes it somehow wrong? Wow, who put more on the card? 43 did! Who is responsible for this entire mess? Woodrow Wilson, Reagan, 41, 43. Learn your history as evidently you only know and are told what The MSM wants you to know.

Now if 43 would've used this as a launchpad to lynch all Arabs and Muslims more then 75% of the nation would've gotten behind it.

Remember what 43 said :

"If you not with us you are with the terrorists" and wasn't it 43 who said something to the effect "To question the nation in a time of war is tantamount to treason". Since when did the shoe change? That's right, a BLACK MAN is now Presiden and all of the Anti American rhetoric spewed by 43 and company somehow went out the window.

What applies for one applies for the other. BTW, it's BREACH OF CONTRACT and not breech. Go back to doing your household chores.

Your student loans were overseen by Sallie Mae and not The US DOE.

You are probally the group of people who joins The Westboro Baptist Church and picketts the funerals of American servicemen and women.

[edit on 29-7-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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I feel sad that you think this is a racial or partisan issue. Using this as
platform to form your opinion I doubt I could persuade you that it is not.
But I will try...

Governments routinely 'force' citizen's behavior. It is a matter-of-course.
We pay taxes, we obey traffic laws and we allow conscription in the
military when we agree as a society that it is necessary. These laws
that restrict or compel behavior are the sacrifices we make to live in a semi-free society.

Arghhhh.... I just deleted three paragraphs, where one sentence would
have sufficed....

Forced labor is slavery...it matters NOT who is the master.

MY TAXES PAID ARE MY SACRIFICE TO THE COMMUNITY!!!

I believe that you are short-sighting your opinion with the premise that
those that are opposed to you are only opposed because of
race or political ideology. It serves to cheapen your argument when
your premise can so easily be exposed by your own admission.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
I am for this mostly. The fact that public service can be nothing more then volunenterring picking up garbage or organizing a......


Is this opinion, or do you have a source for what the mandated service will be?



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 12:35 AM
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Take ride or a drive and drive 10 minutes in any direction and you will come across at least 4 vacant beat down lots (These can be new community centres), 6 decrepid and run down buildings (these can provide a doctor for someone to go see when they are sick) 2 barren, wasted and run down industrial sites (this could be a new mall, school, housing for low income families and families with disabilites). And then return home and tell me that civil service is not needed.

I hate to use the racial and political angle but if it's not those two then what is it?

Social Security is the insurance policy that you've paid into for years and it is your right to claim your share when it comes time for you to collect. I hope you qualify for the maximum then (Current 2010 maximum is $1,620 with a raise expected for 2011)

The following only qualify as a "Civil Serive-Communial Project -
Infastructure Maitenance (Do most people not drive on a road to get to anywhere they need to go?). Wind, solar, hydra power generation and maitenance (The next item on The Dockett with debate scheduled to begin in Sept 10, Clean Energy Independance. Do we all need heat, lights, electricity?), Civil Service Projects (New school, new hospital, new firehouse, new general store, mall, transportation hub - Do people not need jobs?), Civil command centre.

In previous threads and posts of mine I've mentioned I've seen and been on the "Inside" of TPTB means that this policy was put before them a couple years back and was accepted. I however will not nor ever reveal anything I might or might've not been involved in so no questions please as my purpose here is to serve as an Anti Disinformation Agent charged will dispelling lies and saying truth. Life is not always fair and we all know and accept this. I'm good at connecting things and seeing behind facades and have fought TPTB tooth and nail on everything and the fact we all are still here we should be thankful and are all above everything remain to be a free nation and will forever be a free nation. The United States Constitution will forever endure, most said it wouldn't survive for this long but the fact it does tells me that our loving nation is doing just fine.

Forced labour and labour that is either morally, spiritualy, humanitarily, ethically against any person's core basic baseline structure the worker shall be given the right to decline the work provided no questions asked.

Law currently is that if you help your community and recieve a voucher for the work you can submit that to someone and get money taken off your school bills ($5.000+ in most cases inquire with your Dean or School Finance Representative for details when applying).

If your special or unique talents is beneficial to The United States Dept Of Defense they will ask you to join them as you retain full rights to tell them to foul off and they can't touch you.

This is not a backdoor draft. This new force will sit between The Boys & Girls Clubs and The American Red Cross with no military powers and is accountable to more then likely The US Dept Of Homeland Security and The United States Seceret Service meaning no other agency within Govt can pretty well touch you.

[edit on 30-7-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]

[edit on 30-7-2010 by TheImmaculateD1]



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 02:38 AM
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So, to pay for all these community projects, how do you suppose that is going to happen?

Oh, I know, we can borrow some more to pay for it, either that or just raise taxes to 100% and institute communism.

Hail the party, power to the unions and our overlords.

Let us see, we are currently in stagflation, and your idea is to what?

You bring up decrepit building and lots, where is that? My area is pretty nice. Oh, you are talking about areas that push social justice like California. Yep, their social justice is working out great for them. The lowest in the party apparatchik, their wages have been cut to minimum wage.

Go communism, go party!

We are not now and have not been a capitalist society for 100 years. The socialism has failed, maybe you should wake up to the turmoil ahead of us.

There is not enough of the middle class left to support your communist utopia, they have brainwashed into your head.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 07:43 AM
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Full of hate much?
Someone needs a chiiiill piiiiiill.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 09:27 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by TheImmaculateD1
 


So, to pay for all these community projects, how do you suppose that is going to happen?

Oh, I know, we can borrow some more to pay for it, either that or just raise taxes to 100% and institute communism.

Hail the party, power to the unions and our overlords.

Let us see, we are currently in stagflation, and your idea is to what?

You bring up decrepit building and lots, where is that? My area is pretty nice. Oh, you are talking about areas that push social justice like California. Yep, their social justice is working out great for them. The lowest in the party apparatchik, their wages have been cut to minimum wage.

Go communism, go party!

We are not now and have not been a capitalist society for 100 years. The socialism has failed, maybe you should wake up to the turmoil ahead of us.

There is not enough of the middle class left to support your communist utopia, they have brainwashed into your head.




Reverse the 43 era Tax cuts for the rich first and foremost, reinstate business taxes to any wealthy company whose been skirting and circumventing our laws.

Tea Baggers are not welcomed on ATS as you will not use ATS as a scapegoat.



posted on Jul, 30 2010 @ 10:34 AM
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What, you the site owner now? Just took a looky see at your home page. I may be loud and brash, but I make my points and I admit when I am wrong.

How bout you?

You been spouting off about what is good for the country right?

Well, now that precedent is been set with forced purchase of health insurance.

And you here spouting off about slavery being for the good of the country and the communist party.

I suppose GM could build like 10 million of those crap Volts or whatever they are called and the government can force us to buy them.

What is good for the party erm I mean country right?

Oh, as for your condescending attitude about the Tea Party, are the progressive communists getting scared about the silent MAJORITY over there yet on the east coast? Mr Mason.


[edit on 7/30/2010 by endisnighe]




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