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H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government

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posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 09:07 AM
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Hi, this proposed bill is just like what happened in Vietnam, WWI and WWII. It's called conscription. If your country needs you, you go.

It happened in Australia, so why wouldn't it happen anywhere else.
Why are you so surprised by it?




posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by presario
Hi, this proposed bill is just like what happened in Vietnam, WWI and WWII. It's called conscription. If your country needs you, you go.

It happened in Australia, so why wouldn't it happen anywhere else.
Why are you so surprised by it?


Not surprized but laws are managed by men and when men with no love for country and tradition are in charge of enforcment and implementation especially when current interpretations are fantastical in their deviousness and duplicate poorly used instruments already in place, it's no accident that they will be abused.
I fail to see the need to create another lethal military machine designed strictly for political purposes. KGB anyone?



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 09:40 AM
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I knew, at least that YOU knew, what that meant!!!! On page 16.

Very good on you, just need the rest of the people here to GET IT.

WE have the power, NOT government/corporations.

S&F for you always. Need more intelligent people here to do something with themselves other than piss and moan.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 10:56 AM
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Originally posted by seeashrink
Boy, am I going to get flamed for this. When I was stationed in West Germany (at the time) I had several german friends. One explained to me that upon graduating from high school. Each young man had to make a choice. 1) Go to college. 2) Go to trade school and get in an apprentice program. 3) Spend two years in the military.


We have a dairy farm and my aunts and uncles were required to:

1) Work on the farm
or
2) Join the military
or
3) Go to college full-time
or
4) Get a job and pay rent

I completely agree with this. You have several options, now choose one or we'll choose one for you.


The way that our American society stands right now. No one wants to do anything that they don't have to do. Our young people just want to listen to music and play video games. Heaven forbid that they become a productive member of society. I am against big government, but something has to change if we are going to continue to be a viable society.


I think our govt wants to keep getting bigger and bigger each year and is actually encouraging young girls to have multiple babies out of wedlock so they have more drones to require military service from.

Think about it. Our youth (future) is less and less interested in politics and govt participation. We pump them full of hormones, chemicals, psychotropic drugs, poisons etc. The FCC does nothing to curb the amount of garbage programs that are on TV, further stupefying the youth. Video games are riddled with gore and violence to desensitize them. Teachers are apathetic and useless since their hands are tied in the classroom. No one is around to stop them from watching tv or playing video games, because sooner or later Mama has to get a job instead of relying on welfare checks, which means 2 or 3 jobs while the kids are unsupervised to run amok.

If all the crap in their bodies, tv, video games, etc. doesn't turn them into zombies who will just accept joining the military to be slaughtered as their "civil duty", then they will be hyper-violent and either in gangs, prison or dead. The govt has enslaved us either way.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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I don't know if the NAZIs did this but I do know that it is the law of the land in Israel. Only thing is that in Israel there is not a choice between military service and civilian service, active military service followed by reserve status is mandatory. And I thought you people loved Israel.

A little bit of discipline and service to country is not going to kill anyone and it will spread the burden of fighting our wars to include those who would preach for war but never enlist to fight it.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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what if the government got soooooo big that everyone got involved in it?



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by TheWrongStuff
what a bunch of little babies. the government didn't trash this country. the us government collectively can't f'n fingerpaint.

if you are truly unwilling in any regard to sacrifice 2 short years of your life to earn the rights and privleges that this country offers than there is no room for you, no one cares if you leave and your "right" to free speach doesn't really pertain to this situation because you are a dirty little civilian who should be mowing my lawn and bringing my wife lemonade.



THIS is truly the biggest PROBLEM with this country and not the "corporate U.S.

YOU obvious DO NOT realize that WE are born with natural INHERENT rights, WTF is your stupid problem. I do not NEED the government period. What did people do before there was government? Please stop and THINK before you post this stupid crap. I do not NEED the governments "privleges" , nice spelling too, I AM the government, and so are you if you ever bothered to read Thomas Jefferson or Thomas Paine or ANY of the Bill of Rights and the Constitutions, which are just corporate contracts, BTW.

I am a natural born living soul and I have the power and authority OVER the government, as do you, if you were to pull your head out. And WE the People do not NEED to BEG for or DO SERVICE for the corporate fascist "government".

To all those military personel who "believe" they have served THIS country, sorry, you are mistaken. YOU served the fascist, corporate U.S., military/industrial complex, and only put the honest people of this country further INTO the hole. You murdered innocent people and raped and stole trillions of "dollars" worth of wealth from those nations.

Read, "War is a Racket" by Smedley D. Butler, Brigadier General, U.S. Marines, highest decorated soldier before WWII.

Nuff said, rant over.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 11:54 AM
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Because our founding fathers fought for this country's very existence without conscription. Can you imagine what history would have been if Washington had ordered a stop-loss and imprisoned men who exercised their right to leave at the end of their enlistment? If a country can't get its own people to defend it, then the time has come for that nation to pass from this earth.

If the government is representative of the people and is defending and advancing the people's interests, then why would it need to conscript anyone? To have a majority of the voting public on your side you would need over Fifty Million Americans- that's 50,000,000- several times the total force of the US Military in WWII- About 20 times the size of China's current army.
If 50,000,000 people think something needs to get done, let them do it. And if it's not important enough for them to do, they've got a hell of a lot of nerve demanding that those who dissent or have no stake in the matter should go do it for them.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by Flatfish
reply to post by SWCCFAN
 


I don't know if the NAZIs did this but I do know that it is the law of the land in Israel. Only thing is that in Israel there is not a choice between military service and civilian service, active military service followed by reserve status is mandatory. And I thought you people loved Israel.

A little bit of discipline and service to country is not going to kill anyone and it will spread the burden of fighting our wars to include those who would preach for war but never enlist to fight it.



Are you serious? Of course it could kill them. Whether its civil or military service. If it's military service and one is forced to do so the probability of being killed is much higher then someone who wishes to be there in the first place. And if it is a civil national service and they are performing work that Americans are against their is a high probability they will be injured, harmed or killed.

This is America home of the free and land of the brave. Military service is not for everyone and neither is civil service. And in either the last thing you want is to work with someone who doesn't want to be there. It reduces morale and decreases your own safety from someone whose heart is not in their job or duty.

Furthermore we have a thing called a constitution which prevents forced labor because we are humans and are not slaves to anyone. That is a bit different then the draft or selective service, however the draft is just as moronic as forced work.

It puts the lives of those forced into service at danger and those who are willingly there as well. If people are not signing up to voluntarily fight for their country that should tell you something, mainly they see that there is nothing to fight for at the time. Well except for corporate wars.


[edit on 28-7-2010 by LurkingSleipner]



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 12:34 PM
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You are of course correct but I think the real point is that service for the current regime will be in order to destroy the country and citizens freedoms, not preserve it. Dear leader has turned the founding documents into a suicide letter where we oblige ourselves to die as meat for our competitors.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Wow, who let Stalin into the room? Serious party crasher. He probably brought Mao, and Musollini with him, great. I'm hitting the punch bowl and leaving. Maybe go hang out with some hippies, so I can listen to a more center based conversation.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by mordant1
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You are of course correct but I think the real point is that service for the current regime will be in order to destroy the country and citizens freedoms, not preserve it. Dear leader has turned the founding documents into a suicide letter where we oblige ourselves to die as meat for our competitors.



Originally posted by LurkingSleipnerAnd if it is a civil national service and they are performing work that Americans are against their is a high probability they will be injured, harmed or killed.


That is why I posted this sentence
I do understand the danger in performing acts the American public is adamantly against. I also believe you are correct however "Dear Leader" hasn't used any of the founding documents he just makes up new ones in the form of executive orders by the day.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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the SS number was not tattooed on your forearm but your number was none the less issued as proof of ownership. you work until used up , then are shoved aside, used for medical experiments and organ donation. You can be used as cannon fodder in phony wars or contribute to the prison labor system. microsoftener has pre-rinsed all the
little numbskulls to be ruthless killers either way.
drive around in a hummer and shootin up the joint
with some death from above metal on your headset..
just what gangbangers and hillbillies love to do eh?
beats going off to camp halliburton- cleaning up toxic dump sites..



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 01:00 PM
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Oh come on. Are you telling me you don't think your Government, no matter who is running it, doesn't have your best interest at heart? Just look at all they've done for you. Look at all they've done for your country. Repent and conform, while you still have a chance! The Government is the only true pathway to freedom! Keep electing peole who obviously don't serve you or your interests. It will all work out in the end, you'll see. They have a plan for each and every one of us



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 01:56 PM
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You poor americans your government is run by banks and business your country sucks and so do the people that run it, how can you all let this non sense happen on the daily

I bet all you people that were so happy when Obama was elected and now look at you FOOLS LOL


I pitty all you fools in sheep clothing!!



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by seridium
You poor americans your government is run by banks and business your country sucks and so do the people that run it, how can you all let this non sense happen on the daily

I bet all you people that were so happy when Obama was elected and now look at you FOOLS LOL

I pitty all you fools in sheep clothing!!


While I cant disagree, I wonder who runs your nation?

How did you avoid being turned into a land of freedom and self sufficiency?



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by links234
My comment will probably be swallowed up with nary a viewing but I'll try anyway.

The Vast Majority of Bills Go Nowhere (Encore) via the opencongress.org blog

I hope someone reads it...I hope all of you read it. The sky is not falling.

Edit: Bad coding

[edit on 28-7-2010 by links234]


Thanks for the correct interpretation of this--it's why I tend to stay away from politics on here---people are way too conspiracy centered to ever have a reasonable discussion. There are thousands of ridiculous or just will never happen bills that are put on discussion and will never pass in our Congress. It's a fact.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 02:49 PM
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how eloquent. my "stupid problem" is that the lazy self entitled spoiled little children who have been charged with the care of this country maintain an imperialist belief that somehow you were born with the right to take and enjoy all that this country has to offer, thanks to all the baby raping, murdering, young men and women who have sacrificed all in their own personal beliefs; yet you feel that this should come to you without a cost.

i would also like to point out that your argument...though extremely well thought out (coughs to the side) is erroneous in every way, reflects absolutely nothing that i have said and underscores my point that you are all a bunch of cry babies afraid of a little hard work; grown soft from the sacrifice of many much much greater than yourself.

a citizen serving the government is an oxymoron and to assume that is what i have been saying displays an unfortunate lack of comprehension on your part. a citizens duty to serve their country is perfunctory and to believe otherwise is to declare yourself a civilian unworthy of the rights you lay claim to and i see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be removed.

i am a true socialist. in my world you have to work, you have to serve or you have to leave. where is really irrelevant because you will be someone else's problem then. like i said before, illegal immigrants don't effect me, soft lazy little wastes of space that can't be bothered to lift a finger to help in their community makes me sick.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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I agree that every able-bodied person should have to serve their country or their community. They might even find that they enjoy helping others. What a world that would be...



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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Cool, I like militant liberals, they even piss their own. This should at least be entertaining. When the more radical socialist starts screaming at the socialist that is on the fence, it should be documented and played over and over again as a comedy routine. Both of you have made me truly happy today. Oops, should have kept my head down, and been quiet, they are bound to team up now.



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