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H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government

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posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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reply to post by Come Clean
 


huh?

2nd line or whatever

-edit-

never mind, i see. teabag person. angry working class white america that is tired of being taxed to hell and back...if i wanted to hear that rap i would call my father and ask how his day went.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by TheWrongStuff]




posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Come Clean
Here is what saddens me. These people are believing outsiders to the USA, instead of insiders.

It's obvious the Obama haters are not from this country. They come on here to stir up the hate. You guys are falling for it. Conquer and divide is a tried and true method in winning wars.

Some of you posters are basically TRAITORS. You are sympathizing with the enemy.

One person got Rahm's name wrong. What kind of patriot gets the leadership wrong? You guys are sympathizing with the enemy.



So then your against this little gem from hilary? We're not suppose to disagree with obama? Then, guess since this is my country I'm a traitor(NOT), cause obama's taking us in the wrong direction. It's the people that blindly follow a leader that are causing more harm then good.
Hilary Clinton during her presidential race, it is patriotic for citizens to protest their country’s, and president’s, policies.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by Chance321]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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Regardless, of anything you state from this point forward; You are in-fact a socialist who tries to find basis in the constitution. You can twist it, spin it, heck even run it through a rinse cycle over and over again. Does not matter. You do not have the common interest of American's as your primary objective. You have the interest of your socialist leaders in mind, all the time. Too freaking bad. True american's will never bow to your kind. We will not give up the freedoms provided by our country. We will not let sociallism become the new America, NO MATTER WHAT. We will fight. We will raise arms. You will never control me, or my family. You will not tell me what to do, or how to live. To me America still means freedom! You try to take that away, I will fight you till the day I die.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:34 PM
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"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:36 PM
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I'm sorry for missing that post. Did somebody actually say that all Obama haters are from outside the country? Are they serious? With an approval rating of 44%, really? Look as an AMERICAN, I wasn't a huge fan of Bush, but Obama is the epitome of everything that could destroy this country. His radical socialist views are so foreign and so new to America, that it is a wonder we have not fallen yet. Don't worry he's still trying



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:40 PM
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Yup, I think he's serious. Here it is, check Pg 21 It's from ComeClean.
Here is what saddens me. These people are believing outsiders to the USA, instead of insiders.

It's obvious the Obama haters are not from this country. They come on here to stir up the hate. You guys are falling for it. Conquer and divide is a tried and true method in winning wars.

Some of you posters are basically TRAITORS. You are sympathizing with the enemy.

One person got Rahm's name wrong. What kind of patriot gets the leadership wrong? You guys are sympathizing with the enemy.



[edit on 27-7-2010 by Chance321]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:48 PM
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Seriously scary. Even more scary, he probably believes it.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:56 PM
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Thanks for the extra info
and you are correct. A full declaration of war has not been approved by congress. I find it unusual that Bush speak so freely and openly about the 'war on terror' without legally declaring war. It's an oxymoron (the concept, not Bush... well... Bush too
)
The non-declaration of the 'not' war on terror has our soldiers in 2 countries now fighting a war that was never declared. It's far beyond a 'clash' or a 'skirmish'. It's flabbergasting that they don't even declare war on a country before they invade it and start confronting 'the enemy'.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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Before you all have even gone so far as to claim your freedoms being taken away by this bill, did anyone notice that it was only introduced and not even been voted on yet it has a long way to go before it becomes law, and I hope it doesnt because I really would hate too see some of you in the 2 years of service, you might have to actually go outside and step away from your computers and realize that there is life outside your locked bedroom door,bunch of whiny losers



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:31 PM
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I'm actually on the fence as far as an issue like this is concerned. I understand that there is possibility for abuse with a practice like this in play, but it could also be beneficial.

Albeit, I disagree outright with the cliffhanger ending type deal, where the sitting president has the option to extend or re-invoke service when they or the powers deem fit. Strict guidelines should be made to shoot down any such attempt, unless the decision is made voluntarily.

But, while we are at it, why do we also implement an act that grants free post-secondary education for all that desire it (citizenship must be required, no offence homes.)

Or perhaps, a compromise, say... we`ll give you free schooling, but for X number of years, you either need to live and work in our borders, supporting our economy. Or you can contribute X numbers of years National or Military service (perhaps in tandem with contribution to the nations workforce).

Would anybody care to add some thought to this?



P.S.
I'm not some gov't devout quack, I love my 'so called autonomy' as much as anyone else, but it's just a thought.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:32 PM
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Guess I got lucky because I will be turning 43 soon...hehehe.

Sounds like a draft to me. Maybe they'll let us use that only
child rule.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by keithallenlaw
Guess I got lucky because I will be turning 43 soon...hehehe.

Sounds like a draft to me. Maybe they'll let us use that only
child rule.


"If" you are serious. You have spoken like a true coward. Don't worry though there will be a place for everyone.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:16 PM
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I think this could be a good thing a lot of the lower classes are without work and at least this could make them productive they were after all bred for it and really have no other purpose. It's a chance for them to learn new skills and a more pleasant society for the rest of us.

I fully support this and god willing it passes.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:21 PM
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The older you get the younger people become. What I mean to say is that now that I am the age I am, I look at 18-year-olds as babies. I see 25-year-olds as barely out of diapers! LOL

This isn't meant to offend, but just an observation and opinion I have on being that age myself once. I joined the Air Force at 23, a bit older than the normal recruit, so my experience was much different. I graduated from High School and went on to Tradeschool; sadly this was in the early 80's and it was the worst time for the price of oil and there were no jobs in my career field (Welding). So, at the time, I had no other choice but to join the Service. It was the Military or being homeless at a very young age with an outstanding school debt on my shoulders. I never regretted it and I probably had it easier than the younger recruits as a result of my schooling; I was a welder/fabricator maintenance puke in the Air Force.

Ever since I have been for Mandatory Service for the Youth of America.

Sadly, I think, we have failed our youth and this is why there is a lack of American Spirit because the American Dream is but a dream to the youth of today. They do not see a future, and what they do see is an example of what is in front of them; lines of unemployed, over-inflated education costs (can we say textbooks in the $100's of dollars), unbelievable odds at making a go at even a career with a degree. The list goes on and on. Not to mention the materialistic wants that are shoved down our throats by the Media and Entertainment industries. Everyone wants to be rich but it is a false road for happiness.

I also think that parents are failing their children. They have pushed them in front of the electronic Nannies and left them to their own devices. Disrespectful is an understatement. Manners are obsolete. No sense of pride or personal accountability (wow this sounds like our Leaders!)

At any rate, I would be very open to Mandatory Service if there is a level of surety and safety for our Children (I say "our" as meaning all American Children). Say for instance 18-24 yrs old would serve in an educational aspect and training, no overseas duty, no combat what-so-ever; there are enough support duties to justify not having them in combat. Then after 24-years-old the soldier/citizen can choose to continue their military careers and accept without doubt the duties required of a soldier in battle.

The young ones which move on into the Public Sector by way of Businesses or furthering Education would be instilled with a sense of duty and a sense of American Pride in our work-force. Those that go on to become Leaders will encompass those early lessons and hopefully this will create better Politicians overall, not to mention they will realize the true American Dream which isn't a record deal or a spot on a Reality Network, but the realization that all of us can do what ever it is we set our minds at doing. The ability to create a whole life filled with promise and happiness without fear or prejudices.

Have we not lost enough of our Children? Even the wayward teen with no ambition is as lost as the child soldiers we have buried when it comes to Society and Prosperity. It is time we all take accountability for our own! We can protect ourselves, our Nation, our Ideals, and our Children at the same time.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:25 PM
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Do you guys even read? It's been stated MULTIPLE times that this bill has been put forward by the same guy for almost a decade now and has gone nowhere, AKA--it's NOT going to happen, no matter how much you want to button hole this on Obama. In fact, the Rangel draft bill was introduced while Bush JR was in office:
en.wikipedia.org...


So all this bloviating about how Obama is going to start some NWO socialist army to oppress the American people and stop a revolution is tripe.

The only thing that will "start a revolution" are delusional neo-conservatives thinking that every single thing that Obama passes--even a resolution stating how much he loves puppies is some part of a grand scheme to create a one world government and oppress the American people. Sorry, but some people REALLY need to get their heads on straight--sometimes I think people are actively wishing for a violent revolution to happen just so they can say they were there, no matter how many millions of innocent Americans this would kill, displace, harm, etc.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by SmokeandShadow
Its simple really, people will not go for a pinch of this unless there are nuclear attacks on all major cities in the U.S or something else equally devastating. Otherwise...

I have a hunch though that these executive orders and resolutions are not meant to be implemented in this administration or even the next. This will fade and 10-20 years from now...down comes the sledge hammer.



[edit on 26-7-2010 by SmokeandShadow]


Yeah - because it took nuclear attacks on all major cities in order for the government to institute the draft during the Vietnam war. Ever heard of that draft - every guy has to register at 18 and it may require mandatory military service in a time of war. In addition, the concept of the president extending tours of duty regardless of the time a soldier agreed to commit himself to the military is called stop-loss and it was being used long before Obama even took office. So, I'm wondering why you never cared until now or are you just a political opportunist?

Nice try neocon. Hopefully, you'll find some supporters who've never opened a history book.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by andrewh7]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by Chance321
 


I'm sorry for missing that post. Did somebody actually say that all Obama haters are from outside the country? Are they serious? With an approval rating of 44%, really? Look as an AMERICAN, I wasn't a huge fan of Bush, but Obama is the epitome of everything that could destroy this country. His radical socialist views are so foreign and so new to America, that it is a wonder we have not fallen yet. Don't worry he's still trying


Mr. Beck, is that you? Do you have an opinion that isn't a word-for-word Fox News talking point? Obama must have gone back in time and introduced medicare and social security himself. He also must have invented taxpayer funded police, fire departments, and courts as well. I'm surprised you didn't drop Bill Ayers or Reverand Wright yet or are you saving the fallacy of guilt by association for later?

[edit on 27-7-2010 by andrewh7]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:44 PM
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Originally posted by up up and away
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson



Why is it that everyone who keeps repeatedly dropping that quote somehow believes they are the first one to ever find it and show it off? Seriously, have you never watched TV or any movies?

Here let me try: "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wild." That one was from The Rock as well. Sean Connery's last good movie.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:47 PM
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Why is it that everyone who keeps repeatedly dropping that quote somehow believes they are the first one to ever find it and show it off? Seriously, have you never watched TV or any movies?

Here let me try: "Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious - Oscar Wild." That one was from The Rock as well. Sean Connery's last good movie.


don't get carried away in self-righteousness there chief...you might be miss who your friends are

[edit on 27-7-2010 by up up and away]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:57 PM
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Originally posted by Chance321

Originally posted by Come Clean
Here is what saddens me. These people are believing outsiders to the USA, instead of insiders.

It's obvious the Obama haters are not from this country. They come on here to stir up the hate. You guys are falling for it. Conquer and divide is a tried and true method in winning wars.

Some of you posters are basically TRAITORS. You are sympathizing with the enemy.

One person got Rahm's name wrong. What kind of patriot gets the leadership wrong? You guys are sympathizing with the enemy.



So then your against this little gem from hilary? We're not suppose to disagree with obama? Then, guess since this is my country I'm a traitor(NOT), cause obama's taking us in the wrong direction. It's the people that blindly follow a leader that are causing more harm then good.
Hilary Clinton during her presidential race, it is patriotic for citizens to protest their country’s, and president’s, policies.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by Chance321]


It's also patriotic to educate yourself and exercise a small amount humility by not accusing everyone who disagrees with your opinion as "following blindly." Consider thinking for yourself rather than parroting the words of a well-paid corporate shill. In my opinion, attempting to conquer the middle east with unprovoked and undeclared wars is the wrong direction. You neocons had no problem blowing $3 trillion in Iraq but god forbid we should use a fraction of those tax dollars for Americans to get healthcare.



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