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H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government

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posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by SWCCFAN
 


If this were passed, do you think Americans would finally stand up and refuse to participate?

Or would it end up being like Vietnam where we protested, but never made a real change to the system?



When over 40 million ppl are on food stamps, and many millions have
been out of work for months and losing their homes, cars, and
their family is drifting apart some ppl will take this as gift sadly.

For the Xbox generation trained on Halo and its ilk they will
think themselves super warriors, and in truth they will be meat
for the grinder that is war.

As a former marine corp general once said " War is a Racket "

- Smedley Butler

This same man stopped a plot to over throw the US government.

Quite interesting, and I think those same ppl are still monkeying
around inside the machine so to speak.

en.wikipedia.org...

If some day in the distant future the majority of America finds
out all the many lies and deceptions that have occurred there
will be a great anger arise in this nation.

But for now the elite are right and most are alseep and they
can continue their game of shearing the sheep til the sun burns out.




posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 05:26 PM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by Come Clean
 


Reread my reply very slowly, I'll give you a few seconds.. There, make more sense now? If not, can't help.


(a) Induction Requirements- The President shall provide for the induction of persons described in section 102(a) to perform their national service obligation.

(b) Limitation on Induction for Military Service- Persons described in section 102(a) may be inducted to perform military service only if--

(1) a declaration of war is in effect;

(2) the President declares a national emergency, which the President determines necessitates the induction of persons to perform military service, and immediately informs Congress of the reasons for the declaration and the need to induct persons for military service; or

(3) members of the Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marine Corps are engaged in a contingency operation pursuant to a congressional authorization for the use of military force.

By your own admission you would support this bill if we were at war. So why are you complaining to begin with?

But wait, there is more to the story. We never declared war on Iraq or Afghanistan. We are just there wasting money and wasting lives. All because of Bush and his puppet master Cheney.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 05:31 PM
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Originally posted by America?
I'd rather fight for my freedom than be anyones damn slave.


LOL!!!! You're a slave to Wall Street. You're a slave to corrupt republicans. You're a slave to the top 1 or 2 percent.

You're a slave to fear.




posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:09 PM
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It's just Charlie Rangel. He does this as often as his colleagues will tolerate. He's doing it because it generates concern over nothing, which is of course newsworthy, and causes the reporters to come listen to him talk about how military service has become the poor man's burden and needs to be redistributed fairly.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by rival
I can't believe HOW ANGRY I am right now...

To read the posts of some of my fellow ATS'ers who espouse ~Two years of
mandatory service to the community is a good thing. Especially if you are
lazy and in need of "help" becoming a productive citizen. Or you like to
sit on the couch and eat Cheetos and play video games.~

What kind of Kool-Aid has infected the water supply?
I wanna shout YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS!!

Okay fine...you have someone on unemployment. OFFER then a reasonably
paid job in community service, and if they don't take it deny their
unemployment check. THERE IS NO REASON TO REQUIRE/MANDATE
a service when we have so many unemployed.

Can you people not see history repeating itself. for God's sake it isn't
even a ancient history. This is as recent as 70 years ago in Germany!

And can't even continue, I' need a drink....


How --- greedy and self-centered can one possibly be ?

YOU ARE CORRECT!!!!! THERE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO BE A MANDATE/BILL TO MAKE YOU SERVE FOR THE GREATER GOOD !
"YOU" SHOULD BE DOING IT ON "YOUR" OWN FREEWILL!!

BUT "YOU" DON'T DO YOU?



[edit on 29-8-2010 by alien]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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what a bunch of little babies. the government didn't trash this country. the us government collectively can't f'n fingerpaint.

this country went to hell when everyone decided they were owed something by someone and they weren't going to move until someone handed it to them. what is truly pathetic is that there has to be rules in place to foce you to do something that people just used to do naturally. who gives a crap about the us government. its the country and it's people that matter...at least the ones that want to contribute. there was actually some jackass on here last week talking about laying off 187 workers so he could sit on the sidelines like a little punk and had the nerve to speak ill of those of us who still believe in this country and are willing to not just fight, but work to make this the place all it still can be.

just think of all of this as an impassive type of immigration reform. if you don't serve than you don't really belong here. that way there is no racial profiling in AZ. just find all the soft little girls and throw them across the border until they can drop a pair and behave like men who earn their way through life.

if you are truly unwilling in any regard to sacrifice 2 short years of your life to earn the rights and privleges that this country offers than there is no room for you, no one cares if you leave and your "right" to free speach doesn't really pertain to this situation because you are a dirty little civilian who should be mowing my lawn and bringing my wife lemonade.

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[edit on 27-7-2010 by TheWrongStuff]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:24 PM
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I haven't read nearly all the replies but I can assume much of the same. There will be some people that try to excuse this and it will be a weak minority and there will be those that simply say - NO WAY.

I have only listed a in my past a few things that would set of revolution in this country before the predetermined year of 2013, and should this come to pass - this will be one of those catalysts.

Should this come to pass, I think it is safe to say that myself and every freedom loving person who gives a damn about liberty and freedom, will pick up their arms and start the war themselves. There is only so much that most of us can take with the anti-revolutionaries telling us to "accept for the greater good" but something like this clearly steps over the boundaries, boundaries that have been crossed and redrawn so many times that people have lost track where they even stand.

Mark my words, should this pass in any manner or creation - revolution will be upon this country within months. Health care was the first catalyst of forcing people to do the governments will, but the effects of that have not gone into effect yet. This sounds like a bill that would take effect immediately following its passing should it manage to get anywhere.

I shall be keeping my eyes peels.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by Come Clean
 


How about some evidence? Lets see the bills and what they encompass. Do you know what your party voted for today? is it good for you or bad? Do you care, as long as it was'nt the Republican's idea? WAKE UP.



I found this on the Library of Congress site. frwebgate.access.gpo.gov...:h5741ih.txt.pdf if it's any help



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:00 PM
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I have to say I agree with you there but since the incumbants will have nothing to lose measures like this could actually pass and that is my concern.

It just worries me and I have to get the word out and make others aware that he's at it again.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:06 PM
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In the course of humans events, when governments NO LONGER work
for the people, but rather, people work for the government. When
governments no longer fear the people, but rather, the people fear
the government. When governance no longer represents the
governed, but rather represents the interests of greed and power, then
those people governed can no longer think of themselves as
free.

When petitions to government for redress are met with great force by
police. When news media has been consolidated into the hands of a few.
When war exists at great expense with no clear enemy or objective.
When forced labor in service to the state is required under threat
of incarceration, then those people governed can no longer think
of themselves as free, but rather as servants to the state.

When a nation of people no longer retain control their money supply.
When the wealth of a nation is consolidated into the hands of a few.
When that nation's armies are sent abroad into wars of aggression
while their homeland borders are not secure. When the communications
of all citizens are monitored by unseen forces of government.
When the writ of habeas corpus is denied and due process of law is
denied, then the people governed can no longer think of themselves
as free.

When the people of a nation begin to see servitude to the state
as an honorable personal responsibility. When in the course of
daily life it is seen as honorable to report dissent of government
to government authorities, then those governed cannot think of
themselves as free, but rather as slaves to the state...as men in
indentured servitude, no longer possessing freewill, but rather
dispossessing all liberty, and all justice.

edit for speeeling


[edit on 27-7-2010 by rival]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by SWCCFAN
reply to post by The Vagabond
 


I have to say I agree with you there but since the incumbants will have nothing to lose measures like this could actually pass and that is my concern.

It just worries me and I have to get the word out and make others aware that he's at it again.


Actually the thing to worry about is the ones that get voted out, those are also the ones that have nothing to lose. They'll have from (If I remember right)November till January to vote things in till the new folks are sworn in.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:14 PM
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I'm annoyed with the people who try to justify this by saying "Today's kids are such horrible people and yada yada yada, they should be proud to blah, blah, blah, so this is a good thing because it will yak, yak, yak these fat spoiled children."

Now it's shut up and listen time.

1. Not all kids are bad people.
2. Not all kids do nothing for their communities.
3. Not all kids are fat or lazy.
4. Not all kids have no direction or goals in life.
5. Not all kids are criminals or gangsters.
6. This bill doesn't just apply to kids, it applies to people up into their FORTIES.
7. I'm willing to bet at least half of the people saying this will be "good for these awful children" are full-grown adults who will be mighty peeved when they're forced to quit their hard-built careers to go work in some labor camp or the military for 2 years.
8. Forced servitude is wrong, whether serving the country is right or not.

Anyways, this bill will go nowhere. Democrats depend too heavily on the lazy, jobless welfare collecting voters, and too many of the conservative voters are just fundamentally against this sort of communist bull crap.


[edit on 27-7-2010 by mattifikation]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by gwydionblack
I haven't read nearly all the replies but I can assume much of the same. There will be some people that try to excuse this and it will be a weak minority and there will be those that simply say - NO WAY.

I have only listed a in my past a few things that would set of revolution in this country before the predetermined year of 2013, and should this come to pass - this will be one of those catalysts.

Should this come to pass, I think it is safe to say that myself and every freedom loving person who gives a damn about liberty and freedom, will pick up their arms and start the war themselves. There is only so much that most of us can take with the anti-revolutionaries telling us to "accept for the greater good" but something like this clearly steps over the boundaries, boundaries that have been crossed and redrawn so many times that people have lost track where they even stand.

Mark my words, should this pass in any manner or creation - revolution will be upon this country within months. Health care was the first catalyst of forcing people to do the governments will, but the effects of that have not gone into effect yet. This sounds like a bill that would take effect immediately following its passing should it manage to get anywhere.

I shall be keeping my eyes peels.


The "modern american" way of life is slavery you just can't see it because you are blinded by your shiny toys of no real substance.

If you haven't noticed for all those"illegal immigrants" 9 out of 10 "fought" their way into this country.

Sure we grab a couple and boot them back to mexico. But do you know what they do? They "fight" to get back into! They shut there mouth, put their head down and WORK for a better "future".

When was the last time your family of 10 stayed in a 1 room shack only for the "hope" that they will make enough to bring the 10 other family member they had to leave behind?

If you watch real closely you will see who will "fight" for the "true ideals" this GREAT NATION of ALL PEOPLE.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:30 PM
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Ask your self these two questions...

Where are all "legal" drugs "made"?

What are all "illegal" drugs "derived" from?




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posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:01 PM
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This is my very first post on ATS even though Ive been reading for a few years.... yes this thread is that important. Im 43 now so Im outside the age... however I think the idea is a legitimate one and must be considered carefully.
We are currently engaged in 2 major conflicts Iraq and Afghanistan and several potential small conflicts could occur. Iran and North Korea come to mind... and we are stretched thin enough as it is. Weve had the draft multiple times in our history the last 40 years ago so the government has the authority. Border security positions, auxiliary coast guard, emergency response services, reserve police... so many possible paths of service

I personally would be perfect for emergency response in case of natural disasters as Ive worked in public water supply and wastewater. Specialized training on the governments nickel would be just fine with me and would look great on my resume.

Most other countries require service... and remember Obama will be out in 2 more years anyways.... then it will be Empress Palin calling the shots...



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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so let's get this strait. i speak my mind and you say it goes against decorum...there are people on this site the openly speak of starting civil war and their posts get starred. i submit that this is incredibly hypocritical yet oddly amusing.

allow me to rephrase so as to earn my way back into the graces of such noble company.

i believe, as a former US service member that to decry this countries call to service in a time of great need is an act of supreme cowardice that i have sworn before god to defend against. this may not matter to you but as you can probably tell i don't care

life requires sacrifice. you will not sacrifice for the greater good of this great country yet you will complain incessantly about every dent and flaw. you will not join a movement to clean up your local community but you will take up arms against your fellow man. you complain of how the immigrants steal jobs from hard working americans but you will not remove yourself from your extremely undeserved pride for even a moment to evaluate the person in the mirror.

this site is not populated by true socialists. people who believe that the greater good only comes from the sacrifice of all. admittedly this government falls far short of anything resembling deserving, but this country and its people that were and are and will be great again must look past their petty little existences and claim that the sins of my father are mine to bear and i will walk that cross to golgotha and stand proud in my sacrifice as a true american.

and yes...to answer your so bold question...the truth pains me to my soul. the truth that the country i gave my youth to has fallen to the care of braggarts and small minded children that should be disallowed to toy with their fathers tools. tools damaged in use, not in play, but worthy none the less.

to the vagabond, i would challenge you openly to debate. name your topic and the day. make sure all of your audience is watching.

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[edit on 27-7-2010 by TheWrongStuff]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:10 PM
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I respect your opinion and I see what you're saying. But being a kid is part of being a kid. No kid wants to join the work force. I didn't want to do much other than listen to music and hang out, but when you get in the real world, it is make or break. Let the kid make his own choice. They have the rest of their lives to correct that choice. No need to have someone else make the choice for them. If someone chooses to live on the streets and be a bum, they should have that right in my opinion.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Just thought I'd dip my head into the political arena to see what's going on and I'm right on my way back out again!


I can't believe people are so uneducated about our political past that they think Rangel is actually calling for the draft! It's a political ploy explained here (that is, if anyone cares about the facts... OopsI I forgot, they don't!)


So, Yeah! BOO Obama! Hisssss! Obama's bad, M'kay?

Bye now...


You talking about facts and uneducated people?... Please don't make me laugh...

You are one of those people who has kept calling the "tea party movement" as "just a rightwing movement of racist people", and you believe everyone who does not agree with your savior is a "rightwinger" when it has been shown dozens of times that even many left wingers, and minorities including a lot of black people don't like a lot of what Obama, and his goons are doing..

Hey, since you like being told what to do go along and don't respond to threads like this one. Mkay?...


Obama and his goons want to force Americans to do things, but hey he is thinking about our well being right? so he must be a good man even though he wants to force us....


Keep drinking that kool-aid, you seem to be drowning in it...


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