H.R. 5741: Mandatory 2 year Service to Federal Government

reply to post by eNumbra


If I beat the crap out of the school bully, I won't have to give up my milk money anymore. I've at that point, earned my freedom, and the freedom of every other kid in school.

This is the 4th time this joker tried to reinstate the draft.

I can't see this passing for 2 reasons. First of all, it would be political suicide. It would be the final nail in the coffin for all of the incumbents and the 2 party politcal system

Secondly, as others have suggested, this wont sit well with portions of the population. There will be large scale riots & protesting. It'll pretty much be the start of the next civil war.

After having a bit of a sleep from a long night, a thought on this has occured to me about this and other bills that many of the democrates are proposing in hopes to get passed, but here goes:
After reading this bill, and many similar bills written, it appears as it is an attempt to stop the federal government from doing much after the midterm November 2010 elections. And here is how I came to that conclusion.
Most of the current mood of the general population is one of discontent, starting to be more and more vocal. Those who are vocal are moving in directions that are worriying the democrats in the political arena, as many are under the idea, that after the midterm elections alot of the incumbants and the democrats are under attack politically, facing potential losses and a change in who is in control of the government. Traditionally, it has always been harder to remove a law, than to get one enacted. This, along with many of the other pieces of unpopular legislations are going to be targets, and there is a good chance that if the congress changes from democratic majority to republican, they are going to start removing those laws from the books. To keep the new congress busy, to prevent them from changing some of the major ones, as such would take time to research, it would make sense that while the democrats are in power, to pass as many of these bad bills as possible, to stall the new republican congress, that way in 2012, they can strike back pointing out that the Republicans did nothing, using them as scapegoats and patsies to further their own political agenda.

reply to post by dreamwalker74


The difference between having and defending.

You have your milk money until you have to defend you milk money.

Originally posted by mnemeth1
reply to post by Come Clean

 

err no.

it doesn't say to "enslave and conscript" it says "raise and support"

the 13th amendment then goes on to make it clear that slavery is unconstitutional.

err yes.

You just refuse to see this for what it is. Rangel has introduced this EXACT same legislation before. He introduced it 3 or 4 times during Bush's watch. Why aren't you guys saying Bush is trying to enslave people?

Originally posted by Come Clean

Originally posted by SpectreDC

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by SpectreDC

 

Just curious, what is your definition of fascism? I really want to know. Pretend you are an ATS Dictionary.

While different in theory, in practicality it's essentially a form of socialism in which the rhetoric is more focused on the culture of the dominant people rather than the entirety of the state like say the soviet union or China is like.

Your logic is way flawed though. A democratic process elected Obama. So if they elected a fascist then that's what the people wanted correct?

Because a democratic process wasn't involved with the election of Hitler and Hitler's supporters at that time didn't say the exact same thing at that time.

That never happened. I just implanted those events from an acid trip I had.

reply to post by eNumbra


The one thing I've leaned in life. "every school has a bully". They don't grow out of it, they simply become politicians or cops. They need to be stomped down early and often, or they will have complete control over you as an adult.

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by eNumbra

 

The one thing I've leaned in life. "every school has a bully". They don't grow out of it, they simply become politicians or cops. They need to be stomped down early and often, or they will have complete control over you as an adult.

I don't disagree with you. But this doesn't mean rights are based on the violence sometimes necessary to defend them.

Corrupt cops and politicians can be fought without violence. Before the American people got lazy anyway. We were able to keep some reign over the system before; that simply means we must be ever vigilant and ready to fight if need be.

The definition of "need be" is what causes disputes between the ideals of Liberty and the forced service bent.

But we as Free Humanity, even get to decide when someone is infringing upon our rights.

[edit on 7/27/2010 by eNumbra]

reply to post by SpectreDC


You had that same acid trip!? I thought it was just me and a few billion others. If you don't look at the background of your elected officials, do the reasearch and actually care. You will vote for Hitler every time. Charisma and a loud voice will lead the masses to oblivion, as long as the masses stay docile, and obedient.

reply to post by eNumbra


When you were a kid, did you ever rat out a bully? Was just one eye black after the fact or both?

reply to post by sdcigarpig


So the Grand Obstructionist Pary hasn't submitted bills before the Congress? You claim it's just the Demo's submitting bills.

Many thanks for posting. I knew this was on Obama's agenda, but I didn't know the bill existed.
I hope you don't mind that I mailed a link to this thread to my congressman.

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by eNumbra

 

When you were a kid, did you ever rat out a bully? Was just one eye black after the fact or both?

Childhood bullies and Bullies in the federal system do not work the same way. Hammer away at the analogy if you wish but it's off base.

Single bullies in the federal system cannot be taken out with violence, even the entire system could be fixed; it would take a lot, A LOT of people standing as one but it can be done without bloodshed.

[edit on 7/27/2010 by eNumbra]

looks like there is already a full length discussion going on in this thread, for what it's worth my opinion is serving your country is not a bad thing, we all should contribute in some way

however, who would want to serve THIS country? not me, i don't want to contribute to this corrupt system, i would rather let it destroy itself

reply to post by Come Clean


How about some evidence? Lets see the bills and what they encompass. Do you know what your party voted for today? is it good for you or bad? Do you care, as long as it was'nt the Republican's idea? WAKE UP.

Originally posted by eNumbra

Originally posted by dreamwalker74
reply to post by eNumbra

 

The one thing I've leaned in life. "every school has a bully". They don't grow out of it, they simply become politicians or cops. They need to be stomped down early and often, or they will have complete control over you as an adult.

I don't disagree with you. But this doesn't mean rights are based on the violence sometimes necessary to defend them.

Corrupt cops and politicians can be fought without violence. Before the American people got lazy anyway. We were able to keep some reign over the system before; that simply means we must be ever vigilant and ready to fight if need be.

The definition of "need be" is what causes disputes between the ideals of Liberty and the forced service bent.

But we as Free Humanity, even get to decide when someone is infringing upon our rights.

[edit on 7/27/2010 by eNumbra]

Last time, you already decided. When you voted for your local, state and federal representatives then you decided they SPEAK FOR YOU.

All you can do is suck it up until you can vote again. But you still refuse to tell me how this is something new? Rangel has submitted this bill half a dozen times or more. It never passed but this is yet another Shirley Sherrod moment IMO. Knee jerk that the black man is coming to get you. You guys are pathetic.

Where were you when Rangel submitted it 3 or 4 times on Bush's watch?

Guess what, you got guns and we got guns also. We can form militia's just like you. However, we're not so dumb to form them online in full view of everyone. This won't be a cake walk like you guys think it will. No threat, just responding to what someone said earlier.

reply to post by eNumbra


Show me a point in history, where a major country in the world was taken over in a peaceful revolution. Just one, I'll be happy. You can't count the Soviet Union, the tanks actually did fire at the government buildings.

I noticed the word Universal in the title of the bill. Guess that is to make for an easier transition into the NWO.

Originally posted by indigothefish
looks like there is already a full length discussion going on in this thread, for what it's worth my opinion is serving your country is not a bad thing, we all should contribute in some way

however, who would want to serve THIS country? not me, i don't want to contribute to this corrupt system, i would rather let it destroy itself

They want to protect the constitution but they don't want to serve to protect the constitution. Must be Bush and Cheney posting today.

These nuts are extremist just like Al Qaeda. The minute they form a militia 3/4's of them will go AWOL. Nothing more than keyboard terrorist.

Originally posted by sad_eyed_lady
Many thanks for posting. I knew this was on Obama's agenda, but I didn't know the bill existed.
I hope you don't mind that I mailed a link to this thread to my congressman.

So Obama ordered Rangel to submit this bill 6 times or more? More than half was submitted on Bush's watch.