reply to post by maybee
unless jesus wasnt really the christ
Alright...I don’t know where to even start....
so dealing with this "rape" thing (luckily Kris was there so she knows its bs and the girls friend has stood up for me so all hope is not lost just
my entire life is screwed up)
I'm sitting in my bay and this guy Josh D. in there has started a bible study and invites me and I go. He also gives me this book about Saul of
Tarus (aka Paul) which I have always loved his story, he kills Christians for a living but God turns him around on the road to Damascus and makes him
into an amazing man, but Paul still suffers some suffering in Christ name to make up for it.
So I’m on fire feeling good missing the God I served back in high school and everything when I was stronger in faith (never stopping believing in
God just doubts here and there.
So next I pick up from the library this Book "Holy Blood Holy Grail" and it’s from 70 ish and is where most the research that the Divinchi Code
and things like that are based on.
They have also of fun tracking the "holy grail" and make several connections that are major... including huge discoveries like tracking the Priority
of Sion on through time and getting close enough to them to get an interview.
Guess the biggest things to mention here are the fact that they reference everything and use the original documents when available.
The far out part is a theory Jesus didn’t die on the cross but may have had someone stand in for him (ill get to why it would be important later)
And that a bishop actually contacted them and told them they had no idea how close to the truth they are.
Now they people that connect into the holy grail legends following it as closely as possible are either 1) DESTROYED BY THE CHURCH i.e. Templar,
Cathars etc 2) They tell the church what they want to do like a man in 1942 who built a cathedral out of his pocket and when they revoked him a priest
he said no and they put him back there.
The big part about these people that get close or are on the list for leaders of the Priority of Sion happen to do really strange things i.e. make
stations of the cross showing Jesus’ body being moved after dark (remember that would be the sabit he was already barried by then) or they show a
painting of Jesus hanging on the cross and they don’t show his face with a "dark figure in the shadows"
This combined with the references and that I know the pope has a library where they keep things too dangerous for Christianity. I'll start my study
chronologically with the gospel of Mark. And try to hit all my thoughts theory and facts and make the difference between the three very clear so you
know where I make logic jumps. And a quote
Pope Leo X 1513-1521
"It has served us well this myth of Christ"
Mark completed around 70AD and brought to the library of Alexandria with Paul letters. Two big NOs here is that there is no genealogy for Jesus,
Christian scholars argue this is because people did not do bibliographies like they do now back then BUT if you remember Jesus being from the blood
line of David was a requirement for him to be the Messiah so IT HAS TO BE THERE. And Jews kept that record more important than anything.
Second is Pope Clement still has a surviving letter where a member of a church had asked about a part missing from Mark. The pope responded to the
Bishop saying basically they don’t need the whole truth and then quotes the removed part. It is the resurrection of Lazarus. You can still find him
in mark when Jesus is taken away, he is the man in the loin cloth Jesus had him wear that and took to teaching him. The even bigger deal is that
Lazarus wasn’t dead. He cries out from the tomb and this implies more of a symbolic death such as baptism
Which then makes The gospel of John make more since when the disciples claim to want to die like him?
For now we move onto Matthew which many people see has a copy of mark since it shares many of the same stories teachings etc but with someone’s
added views the genealogy and the birth (I say someone because remember they are ALL actually annomus)
The first thing that sticks out is the Massacre of the innocents. There is no historical or arcyological evidence to show that this ever happened.
Now in anything other than Christianity that is evidence. If I say WWIII happened you would prove it didn’t how? And Harrods chronologicers kept
details of his every move we even know this guys family problems and how he died but no one wrote down he killed a bunch of babies? We know Jews hated
him cause he put a roman eagle on the temple he built for them but no one can find a mass baby grave?
Next if you compare the genealogy with that of Luke we see that it is different. Now scholars say one if most likely a legal one and the other blood
but both eventually meeting back at David. We know Jewish custom makes an adopted son more than a blood one because you “choose” him after he was
a man. So the only one that matters is that one that’s legal unless the person has a major connection the other way also in which neither can be
dismissed and therefore both gospels should have both or the same one.
John if you will notice is completely different style and writing completed aprox 90AD
Now after it was pointed out I have decided Lazarus was the writer mostly due to the theory of Jesus marrying his Sister Mary and that it contains
intimate information that someone of a close family bond would partake of i.e. the leaning on Jesus as the last supper, the mother of Jesus becoming
his mother at the cross and the subtle change of prospective when the story of Lazarus starts…it seems like the author is no longer there.
(but if Jesus was married they would have told us!!! The wedding of Cana, it was a common custom for the bride and groom to be anonymous and you will
notice Jesus, the disciples and his mother are all there, the slaves take orders from Jesus and his mother AND his mother seems to be the one dealing
with making everything work.
But Jesus wouldn’t have servants he was a poor carpenter, the same word in Greek can also mean scholar which then would make sense why Jesus says
his time has not yet come, rabbi’s could not teach until married….and don’t forget during that time no wife no kids = homo)
No ignoring the conflict of Jesus himself “turn the other check” and “I come not to bring peace but a sword”
We know when multiple people tell a story there should be between 10-40% differences. Which the gospels DO HAVE but there 10-40% difference is in the
events or where the speeches were given. Episodic memory writes without trying, you won’t remember my exact words but you’ll remember more likely
where you sat as you read them. Find in Matthew the sermon on the mount and compare to the other gospels. This suggest highly that people were using
a common source of quotes (turns out this is a theory called “q” for quelle its Russian) And then pasting them into places where it seemed to
Also the gospels lack the custom feel. Luke if he wrote it would write what he knew he was a doctor miracles of healing would probably hit him the
biggest while the fishermen would find the loafs and nets full miracles more personal. Each gospel is a random mix of them.
Then finally the big part that holds it all together…Jesus hung on the cross…
(honestly this is where I wished at some point I would have stopped…stopped praying for wisdom, for more truth to be revealed and just left it
Jesus is taken to Pilate because the Jews cannot by law put him to death…LIE they were going to stone a whore, talked about killing Jesus and
Lazarus etc…it’s a LIE they could we know it for fact…
History shows Pilate has ruthless and heartless and no roman would ever give into a crowd (when rumors of an attempt on Paul's life come to one
man’s ears he assigns 72 body guards!!!!)
So clearly the blame is tried to be moved off of Roman (which I can handle they would never have survived otherwise in ROME!!!!)
The cross by law was only for enemies of the State…the words used for the people hung next to Jesus and Barabbas are another one of those double
meaning words…they were actually zealots by law.
So Pilate ask Jesus are you king of the Jews…Jesus answer when it is properly applied is “You say CORRECTLY” blame enemy of the state hang
Barabbas is the other prisoner and the only other uprising we know of is the turning over the coin tables at the temple….and some manuscripts put
him has “Jesus Barabbas” which means…Jesus Son of the Father….
Oh snap a son?!?!?! The Jews needs the blood line that god made king…David’s bloodline so they pick the SON!!!!
(suddenly story is way different isn’t it? To top it off some theories wife marry is a Benjamin which God will “dwell between their
shoulders….if you follow the holy grail or in Latin Sang Raal which means ROYAL BLOOD there is a line of kings in France where Marry Magdalene took
the grail according to myth and they have a birth mark that is a red cross with 4 equal arms on their chest yes like knight templar *insert chills up
spine* oh and they married into French royalty and then the church promised to FOREVER BE ALLENGENT until they killed off and erased from family trees
the last known member *there is records of another holy blood holy grail follows but it’s long story…but yes that makes all Christians France and
Jerulsum and Muslim and Jews fall under his rule and the priority of sion’s goal is to achieve that.)
Ok so Jesus is up on the cross for being a zealot
(but wait I want more evidence…Peter the ZEALOT and Judias his last name…another double meaning…and Jesus has them all go out and get swords and
inspects them himself)
And the cross is a VERY SLOW DEATH IN PUBLIC but we know that only His mother the guards the disciple Jesus loved very much and Joseph of aramthea is
there. It’s private for some reason. On random Joseph’s prosperity where there is a tomb!!! After a few hours, even though it should take at least
3 days (they suffocate, eventually they get to tired to pull themselves up to breath and yeah….) Jesus says his thirsty they give him sour wine,
this is wrong too, the sour wine is actually used like smelling salts so the suffering is prolonged and then Jesus randomly dies….?!?!?!?!? His legs
aren’t broken to full fill scripture which actually that’s a law of mosses about the pass over meal…not a prophecy.
Ok then Joseph asks for Jesus’ body…which he uses the verb for someone who is alive…..
People like to say the tomb was sealed but notice there is over 24 hours before it is..,
Next none of the resurrections are even close to the same….ALL COMPLETELY DIFFERENT (marks also was added much latter after the writing was
One even doesn’t have an angel…it’s a man in white…which could be another ignored major political group at the time who were known for their
white robes…and were healers
The Nag Hammadi Libraries has writing by a peter that has him talking to Jesus while someone else is on the cross
So does some Jewish oral teachings, the Koran etc…..
Romans could be bribed…
And it was illegal to burry a person hung on the cross ILLEGAL!!!!
Stranger and stranger no real witnesses, didn’t break the legs, died early, conflicting stories a healer(?) and some stories that say cover
Now we also know the church lied, cheated and killed to gain power…that does that oh yeah Satan!!!!
The donation of Constantine, it was a forgery that gave the church the power to choose kings making every monarch after loyal.
They held the bible secret for years not letting others read it….no gospel we have predates the 4th century so actually Matthew mark Luke and john
as we know them were written about 400 years after Christ died…most scholars ignore that but like to mention that Alexander the great story sat
unchanged for about 400 years and then people started adding the myth part, standing firm that the gospels were written in 100AD or sooner.
Marry Magdalene is never a whore church made it up but the first black madanas are proven to be of her holding a child (Jesus Barabbas?) book of
Phillip in Nag Hamaddi Libraries also says they were “companions”
Find the fall of the angels in the bible as you know the story….next check the book of Enoch…it was cut…people kind of sympathized with them
And that’s just running over the easiest of the stuff…God is a god of conformation not of making everything just barely believable….the true God
I know doesn’t need tricks to win souls….they are bad he hits them with fire and brimstone…(after a chance to repent see Nineveh in Jonah)
And that land belonged to the Jews GOD PROMISED IT but then Jesus is…turn the other cheek?
Or even better specifically pro roman ones:
Go the extra mile (there was a law roman soldiers could make you carry their gear one mile Jesus said go two)
Give to ceaser what are ceasers
Pilate is the attempted savior of Jesus
Suddenly the Jews who had been fighting back are Christians who love those who hate them, who heap fiery coals on the heads of their oppressors and
Rome has it A LOT easier….
Pretty sure my god closes lions mouths for me and kills babies or gives boils and rivers of blood to people who try to take over….unless we are
unfaithful then….he delivers us….we are block out.
Remember Adam mosses Noah Abraham Jonah Joseph David they all heard god…and it wasn’t this quite little pull….people got up and went into the
other room HEARING GOD!!!! They saw parts of him and it made their faces glow…but after Jesus he falls silent? The veil is ripped but now god has
nothing to say? Or are we listening in the wrong place?
Don’t forget for rest of new testament except revelations Paul was a roman citizen
And some manuscripts have the mark of the beast as 616 not 666
Heck the towns a Nazareth doenst even show up on any census…it probably didn’t even really exist