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Oliver Stone: Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:31 PM
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Oliver my boy! All you need to do is come here to ATS

Its free, and we will debate anything here




posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:33 PM
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I don't know why you would think you are the only one to have spoken to holocaust survivors.

As it happens, I am related to some holocaust survivors.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:34 PM
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Does being related somehow make your case more valid?

I fail to see how that matters.
Great job how you stopped talking about the chimneys once glaringly obvious photos of them were posted also.

God if we needed proof that special interests people are on here, you are that proof.

reply to post by Phedreus
 


Good job pointing out how claiming you can't debate something is totally BS.

[edit on 26-7-2010 by Gorman91]

[edit on 26-7-2010 by Gorman91]



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:41 PM
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OMC how can you possibly say that the State of Israel is not linked to the Holocaust? That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard for a long time, and illustrates how little you care about informing yourself.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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It matters a LOT to have first-hand information from people who lived through it. Puts many things into perspective that you don't necessarily get to see in history books. Particularly when said survivors are geopolitically savvy and intellectual about it.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:42 PM
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there :
"Your retarded"
Is that the best proof you have got?

No wonder people disbelieve the story.
You have just made my point so eloquently.

So many holocaust "memiors" have been retracted, one can't help but wonder, that if the story wre true that just shouldn't be the case.

personalpolitic.blogspot.com...

Here is why it is illegal to question the holocaust
French Encyclopedias Claim that Holocaust was "grossly exaggerated " Removed by court order


A French court yesterday ordered the publishers of the encyclopedia-like reference book called Quid to remove from its next edition a revisionist historian's claim that the figure of 6 million Jewish deaths during the Holocaust was grossly exaggerated. According to a report by the Associated Press, five French Jewish groups took legal actions against the books' publishers claiming that French law deems it illegal to publish revisionist theories. While the court ruled that the publishers of Quid did not have to retract the 300,000 copies of its 2003 edition, they would be forced to remove the passages in its 2004 edition as well as from its Internet website. A representative of the Jewish groups said that he was satisfied by the court's decision.

groups.yahoo.com...

here is a nice Jewish website that explains things quite well
www.jewsagainstzionism.com...

"the truth is no defence" eh?

Every one knows you don't prove a point by making it illegal to question it, you prove a point with proof...or mathematics wouldn't exist.


Any farmer will tell you anything else is just well...
retarded.


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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:45 PM
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Yes, I totally agree with that.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:47 PM
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Great info. Thanks for that.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:55 PM
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But you showed a blog and an unrelated thing. There are still so very many proofs. To put it simply, most people see those images and believe with common sense that 6 million people died who were Jewish. SO you can continue showing flawed links, but yea, it's all pretty much retarded in the face of so many millions of ideas. French farmers? Many Frenchmen helped.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Again, No one really was against the killing of Jews. That was not the reason for the war. That became a reason for the war later on once the full scale of the death was realized. It's like a KKK member seeing a mass burial for dead Africans and realizing how many are dead. Something like American X. You become what you were against by the sheer shock of it all.

Personally, I can already see the patterns of history. There will be another holocaust. Definably not on Jews alone. But it will be most interesting to see 60 years from now deniers coming up like all you. And I'll just have to say the same thing. You're retarded.

You guys still haven't been able to really find credible disproofs of it. So I guess I will leave you all to enjoy your denial of history. Lets see how things go when you're the ones being put in the oven. Maybe you'll survive it. Then you can enjoy the irony of history of having to defend your case against deniers. Enjoy the long road ahead. Going to be an interesting 60 years.

I'm done with talking herp derp with you all. I'll just let you enjoy squirming in your own crap and I'll go on letting history repeat itself just for the ability to say told you so 60 years from now again.

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:58 PM
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I welcome more people of celebrity to embrace this issue. The truth should be known. I guess all that stands in the way stateside, is the fear of losing one's status in Hollywood.

More people need to decide what's more important - sucking on the greasy coin, or the truth... and accept whatever the truth has to offer. Only the truth should be what matters. Feelings will be hurt, but in the big picture, aren't we all just a little emboldened and freed by the process, and just that much wiser in it's vindication?



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Stop right there....

That's what many antisemitic groups would like you to believe that the Jews/Zionists are trying to push! When in fact I have yet come across any Jewish group that has yet made the claims that they were solely systematically singled out. Most if not ALL Holocaust survivors will tell you that there were plenty of non Jews that were also gassed, shot, buried alive, kicked punched hung. etc...

Let's get that misconception squared away.

Proceed.


What you say is true.

BUT

No other group has used the death of their people with so much disrespect as to use it in the international arena for sympathy to sway public opinion in their favour for over 60 years.

Yes. It happened. Stop dragging it up into every debate. And stop with calling out 'anti-semetic' every time you start losing an arguement.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 09:25 PM
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The holocaust is one of the most well documented acts of genocide in history. The Germans themselves cataloged their every plan and that has been found. Yes only 6 million jews compaired to 30-50 million russians were killed. But the determined act of rounding up people, putting onto trains and shipped for extermination is different. It was genocide period. Yes the Rothchilds are responsible for alot of world problems. Yes they claim to be Jews. But the average Jewish person does not even understand the convoluted inner workings of their empire.
I am a Dr. and have seen many with numbers inked onto their arms. I guess there are many out there that will claim it was self inflicted to get pity or further progress a hoax. I have listened to many stories of their existance in camps. I have WW II patients that were there and saw the camps themselves. One claimed Patton puked when he toured one of the facilities.
Not only Jews but Gypsies, homosexuals, and others that did not fit the National Socialist ideology were exterminated. That in and of itself cannot be ignored. I admit some times the holocaust card is played out like the race card by African americans too much but do not let the manipulation by a group condem or deny the existance of a true event.
In closing is there anyone out there who will question the historical event of millions of myan, incan, and aztechs who were brutally murded by the catholic church in the name of their god? Or is it the hatred of a group of people that truly have been singled out for centuries if not millennias.
For some unknown reason Jews have been very creative. Many of the famous christmans songs were written by Jews. They are heavy in the film and music industry, physics, computers, and many other areas. And as everyone knows Hollywood. Makes you wonder who Mr. Stone pissed off.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 09:28 PM
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Or Who pissed off Mr. Stone?



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 09:47 PM
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it appears the lesson here from some of the comments posted is that if you try to debate the status quo storyline than you're called a denier and immediately put on defence....

, history has been skewed and mangled and you'll have to accept that people are going to question it. Calling someone a denier is simply trying to stifle someones opinion.

Open debate is freedom

anyone thinking they know it all already.

www.tudou.com...

watch this....

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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He is sensationalizing an inflammatory topic to market his movie. It's that simple. Sad he took the low road. He is very talented and its going to waste on a tiny market of radicals who are illiterate about historical events. He knows the money is with the young and illiterate. He has realized they are not being taught history any longer, so he can get away with his own versions.

If he really is a Nazi sympathizer and a rabid Anti-Semitic, who cares about him anyway? A movie is no more important than a game of Bowling at the local Alley. Celebrities are not very important either. Narcissists need to be in the news constantly is more what is happening here. At his age he knows the reality of the Holocaust. There does not appear to be any Zionists controlling him, however his group does blackball anyone not firmly on the Left.

OP, forgive me but it's a shame with all that's going on, this is the type of thing that makes front page at ATS.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:35 PM
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They are trying to hide this fact:



Over 60 million people were killed.

Wikipedia

Over 60 million people were killed in WWII, and all we remember is the Holocaust, and the Jews.

Get it?

It is so simple, that is why they are enforcing confusion.

The Jews only made 3% of the casualties of WWII.

Only 3 damn percent.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:39 PM
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*whistles* crusades. *whistles*

if i hear one more time that i'm responsible for the deaths of people in the crusades, when i wasn't even alive at the time, and it has more than passed the generational curse crap, i think i'll run down the street screaming.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:41 PM
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How does that make what happened to them any less horrible? It does not.

People who hate Jews just for being Jewish are bad people. It is that simple. Anyone trying to downplay what happened to them is transparent and I think evil.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:44 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
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How does that make what happened to them any less horrible? It does not.

People who hate Jews just for being Jewish are bad people. It is that simple. Anyone trying to downplay what happened to them is transparent and I think evil.


So you think what happened to the other 55 million people is not important? That is an assumption, don't take me wrong.

Anyone who reads your statement can make the assumption that you somehow think there is no importance to any other deaths rather than the Jews, which reinforces the claims within this thread which are made in regards to full media control by the Jews.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:45 PM
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We may as well start running at the same time. Consider the source. People with nothing to say worth hearing resort to sensationalism. Just imagine them in their underwear in their Mommies basement. You will smile.




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