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Oliver Stone: Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate

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posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by EnkiCarbone
 


Ok then, I'll reduce it down the most simplest terms.



OBVIOUS DESTRUCTION OF LIFE FROM OBVIOUS SOURCE



OBVIOUS DESTRUCTION OF LIFE FROM NON-OBVIOUS SOURCE



I hope that simplified it down to a comprehensible level for you.


This is not selective truth. This is questioning basic obvious facts and really for no point. It's like starting a conspiracy that the sky is not blue. Look up. It's blue. Maybe there's a cloud. OK. It's still blue.

So yea, call it selective. I could not care less. But if you're going to question the sky being blue, expect massive amounts of people showing you pictures of a blue sky.

[edit on 28-7-2010 by Gorman91]


"OBVIOUS DESTRUCTION OF LIFE FROM OBVIOUS SOURCE"
Give us more detail in regards to the first picture.

Second line.




posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 09:22 PM
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Forget about defame, he could also loose his riches,



You seem to indicate that his riches are more important than the truth.

I am not a big fan of his, but if he honestly believes in what he first said, then he should stick to his guns.

His backtracking just seems to show that he is more worried about his projects than the truth.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 09:42 PM
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Death camps of course. Don't be silly. We have no freaking idea fully how 9-11 played out and we really will never know until a time machine or a replication of the event with a full scale model. The holocaust has sufficient evidence. A LOT of evidence. Evidence is almost offensive, as it should be called facts. Again, I've yet to see an actual legit source of something that discredits the current stats or challenges it.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 09:49 PM
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I couldn't agree more, if that's Stone's intention. However, Oozy makes a good point here.

Mel Gibson has set the media on a real witch hunt lately. The other day, they were all over Paris Hilton for apparently making a "Nazi salute". Maybe that was her intention, seeing as how TMZ, Extra etc. are predominately "Jew Media", she was trying to scare them off... or maybe they just happened to snap a photo of her with her hand raised (drunk people move their arms a lot when dancing - who knew, right?).

It's all pretty silly, really - but the chance for career damaging defamation is there. All the 90% of the "Jew controlled Hollywood insiders" have to do with Oliver Stone is draw a line through his name rather than under it. This realization is probably what forced the apology. I doubt the Jew-Mafia sent the thumb breakers over to persuade him (but I would have loved to be a fly on the wall in that room if they did).



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 10:07 PM
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You seem to indicate that his riches are more important than the truth.

I am not a big fan of his, but if he honestly believes in what he first said, then he should stick to his guns.

His backtracking just seems to show that he is more worried about his projects than the truth.


No his livelihood which he worked hard for is more important than the truth (for him), especially when the truth can harm him in so many ways.

I don't know him, but I do know that many others have went to prison to expose this hidden agenda.

This man, as you can see is concerned more about his fame and livelihood.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by oozyism
 


Death camps of course. Don't be silly. We have no freaking idea fully how 9-11 played out and we really will never know until a time machine or a replication of the event with a full scale model. The holocaust has sufficient evidence. A LOT of evidence. Evidence is almost offensive, as it should be called facts. Again, I've yet to see an actual legit source of something that discredits the current stats or challenges it.


I need more detail in regards to the first image to make my assessment.

You can't just post a picture and say it is evidence of such and such.

Look at the structure around the dead bodies, anyone can make thousands of assumptions based on one image.



posted on Jul, 28 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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Nordhausen
s417.photobucket.com...

You can look at the rest if you'd like.

It's like Gaza, only with skull caps instead of Burquas.


Hey, you wanna make a bet that we see the same sh*t 10 or 15 years from now when someone smuggles them out of Gaza?


Now you've got a thousand images and no assumptions


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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by oozyism
 

Nordhausen
s417.photobucket.com...

You can look at the rest if you'd like.

It's like Gaza, only with skull caps instead of Burquas.


Hey, you wanna make a bet that we see the same sh*t 10 or 15 years from now when someone smuggles them out of Gaza?


Now you've got a thousand images and no assumptions


[edit on 28-7-2010 by Gorman91]


It just shows pictures of dead bodies. I need details of how they died, how many died etc.

I can provide pictures of dead Germans also, dead innocent Germans, but that wouldn't paint a clear picture would it?

Imagine posting picture of 900,000 to 3,170,000 German dead bodies before their burial, or before their cremation. First you would stack the bodies, then you would dig a big hole, then chuck them inside, call it a mass grave.

It still doesn't paint a clear picture.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 12:32 AM
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watch Hitchcock's documentary in the Belsen camp if you want to get the idea of how bad things got in the camps near the end....
video.google.com...#
life in the camps were real in the end... allies had bombed out all the camps supply lines... that camp especially had a horrible typhus epidemic, you'll even hear Hitchcock mention the lice... but yeah, the video is much post war propaganda, but still an excellent portrait of the horrors of war and fanatical beliefs... but still the question remains... why is this topic so taboo?
also i should point out there was no gas chamber at Bergen-Belsen... and for that matter , imho, in any other camp...

[edit on 29-7-2010 by 2012DragonSlayer]



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 12:58 AM
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it paints a perfectly clear picture. Germany was savage and killed Jews, communists, and other people who were unfit in their opinion. Americans were just as savage and bombed civilians to dust to end the war faster. Russians I don't even want to go into because they were a walking death machine to themselves and everyone around them.

Pretty much every one in WW2 was savage, killed civilians, and to some extent were racist.

However, by witnessing such equality in humanity's grim, the post war world saw a bright new opportunity to remake the face of man. To ring in a new era of peace and prosperity for all and unity for all mankind.

And then the cold war happened and the system started all over again.

But yea, other than that, the picture is perfectly clear. And the pictures pretty much all have their location and names. All sourced pretty well. Investigations of the photo show no misplacements of structures and their geology and structures line up with aerial maps. They are those locations.

I really don't know what to tell you. The pictures right there. The lights are on at full blast. It is quite obvious what the painting is saying. And yet you are saying you cannot see it.

And so I shall say it in one sentence what the painting is. What it says. What it embodies.

Man is Savage.

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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 01:16 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Crimson_King
 


That's nice about the newspaper. But as we've already discussed, that does not say they died and its a totally unrelated issues.

Hows that unrelated issue when the fake 6 mill numbers are repeated by JIDF trolls and zionist again and again. Its very much related to it. The articles proves it as a fact the 6 mill holocaust figure was deliberately invented before WWII.


And don't bother with the Red cross. The Germans lied to the Red cross in everything. Do you honestly expect a nation already lieing on hundreds of issues to not lie to the red cross?

Likewise dont bother with the account of Jewish so called victims of holocaust who lied to get money/ sympathy from Germany and rest of the world and over exaggerated their imaginary claims. I am not saying the lied about everything but they OVER OVER OVER exaggerated their claims.


www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...
Asking the Red Cross to say correct numbers is as good as expecting the government to truthfully talk about the BP oil workers getting sick.

Asking the Jews for the evidence as as good as asking the criminals about the crimes as an analogy. They lied and over exaggerated and are exposed.


People lie. People lie a lot. And When money is involved, people lie almost always.

Exactly no wonder why Germany is paying reparations to Israel and Jews till now in figures reaching upto billions of dollars. Why only Germany, US, Europe everyone pays money...whoose interest is it to keep getting more money from keeping the truth under blanket? Every year the Israel and Jewish holocaust team goes from country to country to extract more money in name of holocaust. Obviously people lie for money.


Oh yea. These Chimneys.
www.holocaust-history.org...
Kthanxbye. You failed.

What's that? A boutique? I dont see no chimneys there...the pictures are unclear and why only 1 chimney picture when u claimed every camp had chimneys? Where are the rest of pictures? Where is the smoke coming out of chimneys? The building resembles any other normal office building of that era. No chimneys there.


Also, what you're saying is that boycotters should be put in concentration camps? Well then I'm sure you support the so-called Fema camps? After all, that's basically what your saying. A boycott is justification to be thrown into a camp.

Lay off the Israeli kool aid. Noone talking about fema camps/ 9-11 except you to deflect from the topic at hand.


By all means, if I lived back there, I would be with the boycott. I would join them. And if I got thrown to a camp for it, so be it.

Mom's basement dont count as living back there. An accurate depiction would be this



It's a pretty good steaming pile of s**t you constructed.

Atleast it does not have the putrid smell of the fecal matter pouring out of hoax of 6 million and attempts to stifle independent investigation of the greatest lie of the century.

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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 01:20 AM
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Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by EnkiCarbone
 


Six million. Ten million. Four million. One hundred thousand. Ten. It doesn't matter the numbers, the fact that a group of people set out to murder an entire group of people remains incontrovertible.


Why the numbers dont matter? If the numbers didnt matter why are people jailed in questioning whether (lol) 6 million die? If the numbers were not the imaginary figure of 6 millions there would have been no reason to steal and invade other peoples land.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 01:27 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by EnkiCarbone
 


Ok then, I'll reduce it down the most simplest terms.



OBVIOUS DESTRUCTION OF LIFE FROM OBVIOUS SOURCE

Second line.


The picture does not prove anything. Even the headcount does not show anywhere near 6 million in the picture at the most it is 50-60 ppl who wouldve died from allied bombing, disease etc. So where is the 6 million lol?



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 01:38 AM
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I'm giving up with the last words, that there was a World War, there was disease, there was bombs, there was prisons, there was all sort of things, non of which were designed specifically for Jews.

As you yourself claim, it wasn't just Jews who were being killed, it was also communists.

So based on that you can conclude that these were political prisoners.

Let's not forget, thousands of communist names were given by CIA to the Baath party, all of them were killed, after the CIA backed couped in Iraq against a Democratically elected leader of Iraq (who was socialist - communist).

It is one thing claiming a holocaust (Genocide) with 6 million numbers, It is another thing that there was no order for such Genocide (Final Solution was in regards to a Jewish nation), and the evidence suggesting the number was exaggerated, and planned to be exaggerated even before the war began.

You can deny these facts all you want, they contradict your facts, which means one thing and one thing only, when there is contradiction, you ask for investigation, you don't ask for investigation to be shut, and for those pursuing such investigation to be arrested.

That is my conclusion, I give up, but I will read along this thread.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 01:41 AM
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Numbers repeating does not disprove them when they are real. If I say 1 a million times, when someone else says one person died, that does not mean they died. That is a huge logical fallacy.

FYI, In the bible the 7th day never ended. If one interprets that as 6.5 days, then it works with evolution since after the KT extinction 65 million years ago. Humanity was created 5 million years ago, or .5 days. Birds trees and fish are created first, just like they recovered first. oooh. Numbers line up! Does it disprove either one? No. It just means the numbers line up. So you see why your logic fails? Why it's not viable as a defence?

Millions of people did not get rich off the holocaust and live perfectly simple lives, many died in poverty years ago. So yea, another fallacy.




Asking the Jews for the evidence as as good as asking the criminals about the crimes as an analogy. They lied and are exposed


let's translate that



I hate jews so anything they say is wrong. I only trust people who hate jews and would have no reason to lie.



So Germany is paying reparations but not trying to get free? lul. Every single nation that's payed reparations has hated that nation they are paying. OH WAIT! Let me guess. Zionists! Zionists herp derp, government, dur poo durp. right.



Can't see chimneys? Scroll down maybe? You know, the large columns giving off smoke. those are chimneys. God, you sound like the Catholic church looking through a telescope and telling Galileo that the planets aren't moving.



Lay off the Israeli kool aid.

This does not dismiss the point I made. You showed a newspaper of Jews boycotting. Well congratulations. Germany threw them in the camps. What do you want to happen to other protesters? Oh right, they're Jews. They don't count.




Mom's basement dont count as living back there. An accurate depiction would be this


Try again. Don't care for Israel. Let her burn. The world is better with a nuked Jerusalem.

But hey, you're biased. So supporting the Jews in the holocaust means your a Zionist. Congratulations, what is that, you're 58th strawman fallacy in this thread alone?



Atleast it does not have the putrid smell of the fecal matter pouring out of hoax of 6 million.

... of which you've yet to disprove... hmm... fancy that.



The picture does not prove anything. Even the headcount does not show anywhere near 6 million in the picture at the most it is 50-60 ppl who wouldve died from allied bombing, disease etc. So where is the 6 million lol?

lol. You think one square block of a camp represents all the bodies?

Like I said, enjoy! It's like Gaza but with skull caps instead of burquas.

s417.photobucket.com...

reply to post by oozyism
 


Well I need sources for such claims. Some of your claims I have trust in you enough that you do not have to provide. But like I've been saying, I need sources for where is says it was not 6 million. Or 5.93 if you want to be exact.


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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:09 AM
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Since you have taken the liberty to rephrase my post I'd do the same favor to you by posting the summary of all you're posts in this thread


durka durka 6 MILLION herp ANTI SEMITE derp derp NAZI hurrr JEW HATER durr durr 6 MILLION herrr HOLOCAUST derp TERRORIST derp GIEF MONEYZ PLS I SURVIVED 11 HOLOCAUST dep derp I AM JIDF and I WILL STOP UR ATTEMPTS TO TALK ABOUT HOLOCAUST derp derp GAS CHAMBERS LULZ...durp


Guess what we already know all this. And this is what the independent investigation is all about to find the truth behind zionist jidf tools. Also next time use this will save you the effort of typing




posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:40 AM
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Well considering I am not a Zionist and I feel that nuked Israel is best Israel fo shizzle, I'd say your attempts to smear what I said failed miserably.


However, what did you say again?



Asking the Jews for the evidence as as good as asking the criminals about the crimes as an analogy. They lied and are exposed

Yea that's right. You basically won't accept anything from any Jew. You are biased. So why should anyone trust you?

Oh, and maybe you like picture books, but they're pretty lame insults, especially when you're wrong.

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posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 03:44 AM
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I think this discussion is over also, it is going off topic, and attacks are becoming personal.

No need to continue, the simplest method is to post your evidence and let others judge.

Once you turn in to a troll, you will always be remembered as a troll.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 04:06 AM
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Well I'm not really insulting here. I'm just stating what I am when others accuse me of being Zionist or something. Discussion is still vary much so on topic as to what Stone said. We are discussing if there is any validity.



posted on Jul, 29 2010 @ 04:10 AM
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I need more detail in regards to the first image to make my assessment.


I'm looking at the damage to the building and wonder if this was the result from allied bombs when the camp was liberated ?




In fact, General George S. Patton bragged in his autobiography about the precision bombing of a munitions factory near the Buchenwald concentration camp on August 24, 1944 which he erroneously claimed had not damaged the nearby camp. Not only was the camp hit by the bombs, there were 400 prisoners who were killed, along with 350 Germans.


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