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Oliver Stone: Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate

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posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:25 AM
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this post makes me laugh. There have been 6 millions "gased" in Auschwitz. There have been 2 planes of arab terrorists crashing the twin towers. A patrol boat has been attacked and made the war of Viet-Nam, the Japanese have attacked Pearl Harbor just for nothing and so on.

And, all this information is real, YES, I have been there, I saw all this. My a..


People, in what world do you live ?. Do you really need Jesus to let the blind see and the deaf hear.

Media, since ever, just tell you what "they" want you to hear and read and to know. The winner write the history and behind every war there is a dirty business that makes a "few" earn biiiiig money.

How many people died worldwide in conflicts, for ethnic reasons, economic reasons, for a faith in a religion or a refusal of this faith.

The holocaust is a story of lies based on non proven facts like many others. Nothing is the way you see it and as it seems to be. From there to say "IT IS" you need a lot of courage or you are just "a fool".

Nothing is more false then the statement "IT IS" Even evidence is not, cause evidence form yesterday might be the lie of today.

So, let's avoid these subjects on this board. There are as many and even more proves against then for the Holocaust in the way they picture it and make you believe it happened and like many others it is subject that is underlaying political correctness and censorship.

We can't go back and change it, so why waste our time with it.




posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:59 AM
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quick question
Isn't the fact that the official memorial plaque outside Auschwitz says 1.5Million now end this debate?

If not, how does it not end this debate?

Since it says 1.5million on the official memorial plaque outside Auschwitz shouldn't we forget the number 6million forever and ever and ever?

Also I would like to say something to those who have families who were in concentration camps, I do regret the experience that some of your family members went through but if we are truly talking about victims in the millions there is no way you having family members could mean anything to support any argument on either side of the fence.

We are talking about victims in the millions here, you cannot have a PRISONER count how many victims were there when they were in the millions, i'm sorry but it's just not possible.
So I very much am sorry for the ordeal that your family members went through, but as far as dicussing the number of victims you having family members that were in concentration camps means very little as far as this debate is concerned.

I am just trying to speak logically here, there is no reason for anyone to feel offended. Please I mean no offense to anyone.

But once again, since the official memorial plaque outside Auschwitz says 1.5 million doesn't that abolish the 6million discussion?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:10 AM
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Auschwitz was not the only concentration camp nor were concentration camps the only places where people were killed. Many were simply shot 'on site', many died in the ghettos and so on.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by john_bmth
Auschwitz was not the only concentration camp nor were concentration camps the only places where people were killed. Many were simply shot 'on site', many died in the ghettos and so on.


Yes.. obviously
But i'm fairly sure the Auschwitz plaque is not only talking about concentration camps.

See this please

www.mosaisk.com...

Auschwitz was by far the biggest place of victims



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Originally posted by john_bmth
Auschwitz was not the only concentration camp nor were concentration camps the only places where people were killed. Many were simply shot 'on site', many died in the ghettos and so on.


Yes.. obviously
But i'm fairly sure the Auschwitz plaque is not only talking about concentration camps.

See this please

www.mosaisk.com...

Auschwitz was by far the biggest place of victims


Auschwitz was the biggest SINGLE place of victims. Compared to the total killings of the other camps, the Einsatzgruppen and Wehrmacht massacres Auschwitz doesn't stand out in numbers - quite to the contrary. It was just the biggest and most suited for industrial killing - hence it has become a symbol for the Holocaust as a whole. The Holocaust did not just happen in Auschwitz. Most of it happened at other places.
Some people confuse the symbol with the whole story.

What makes you think that the plaquette refers to the whole Holocaust and not just Auschwitz?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 09:45 AM
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www.haaretz.com...

Too bad. Maybe he would have stirred up something. But nothing anymore.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:15 AM
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This is all very interesting and I've learned some new things for which I'm appreciative.

The one question I've always had hasn't been addressed so I'll ask for opinions, thoughtful opinons please.

Why the jews?

Throughout history we see this passion play over and over and even today, lot's of people just don't like jews and I've never understood why that is.

The charge of "Christ-kilers" is erroneous. I have actually never heard that term used except for a few times by non-christian or atheist types looking to bait a fight. I spose there may be a few off kilter christian types but they're not really christian. Pretty much all christians understand the crucifixion as a necessary part of the plan. During the Crusades (primarily defensive measures against muslim house of war excursions) Popes and later Saints instructed the Crusaders "do not molest the jews". Of course that instruction wasn't followed all the time (things get crazy man) and sad the instruction had to be made at the first but it still begs the question;

What is it about these jews that makes everyone want to slaughter them?

Business? I will admit my few times dealing with jews unfettered by corporate policy (re: small business) were royal pains in the ass which could have ended with me being screwed over.

Porn? I despise pornographers and am sickened by those who seek to normalize it and the jews are a large part of it. As is the mob, I think they're mostly Italian. Of course no jew makes anyone buy the stuff.

Slavery? Jews dominated the slave trade. Except of course along the
Barbary Coast where more European Christians were enslaved than African.

Dual Loyalty?

Banking?

None of these reasons cause me to have any ill will towards the jew working at the smoke shop selling me a cigar. He's a nice guy.

So it's all the more curious for me because I don't have any animosity towards them as a whole. So I wonder why.

I also know that the Holocaust was made up of many many people and as much as the jews were targeted, so were the homosexuals and the gypsies and so on so forth. Even the Catholics. One I admire, St Kolbe, gave up his life for a jew in a camp so apparently the National SoCIALISTS didn't care much who they killed just so long as they were akilling someone.

So I wonder if jews were persecuted to the extent they claim, do they exaggerate, conveniently leave out competing groups? Certainly any question of group responsibility for what happened is dismissed as irrational bigotry. (Of course most have no problem assigning group responsibility to white christian males, they look at things like the disproportionate #'s of jobs lost during this depression as justice). Like it or not we are each responsible for much of what happens to us and that extends to our community and nation. Things don't happen in vacuums.

So it's one of three:

1) Jews have been specifically targeted solely because they are jews, no other reason and as such need special protection because god knows you people can barely contain yourself from slaughtering jewish babies for sunday games.

2) Jews have suffered as other groups have suffered throughout history because people just aren't nice most of the time. Group Identity has enabled the jew to create better propaganda excluding other groups giving the impression that they alone have suffered, (except the blacks which they just can't get by). 100's of movies about the holocaust, any about the catholic priests slaughtered during same holocaust? Most movies are made by and or financed by, of course jews.
It is a method of control. A way to keep competing groups off balance and distracted while resources are gathered. Some might even say it is a crafty strategy.

3) Jews have suffered and been kicked out of every country they've been in because frankly they're a pain the ass. They work together to destabilize the social structure so they may gain control over the gentiles.

One of the three, which is it?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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There is no answer for your question
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and so is uglyness.

It's one reason for one group of people and another reason for another group of people.

At the end of the day they are not the most persecuted people on the face of the planet.

Today Israel is the most well treated state on the entire planet... kind of...
It is a militarized state that receives buckets and buckets and buckets of money from the united states and other countries.

Why jews, why blacks, why natives, why whites, why indians, why mexicans.....

There's no answer, the answer is every answer and no answer.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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so who are we hating on ???

just curious im not seeing the discussion here?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
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That would be the large smoking chimneys with the smell of human flesh coming out.... yea silly pants. They existed.


Also, 6 million did die, as with many others. It is a none issue. If you want to continue to debate what is solid in stone, go ahead. But no one is going to listen to you silly pants. For such blatantly retarded issues it should be a law. Like how 1/3rd of Americans don't know the Earth revolved around the sun. For such blatant retardation, they should be charged with some kind of stupid fee for being leaches to the nation.


You are a source of retardation by accepting what you are told and trumpeting as if it were your own original thinking.

I would like to hear your personal story as to your private investigation into this period - but I can tell instantly, there is no story. Anyone who investigates this period invariably finds out the fraud.

Anyone can spout off the commonly accepted reality and claim anyone that disagrees is retarded, moronic or otherwise mentally incapacitated - and every single other person who has no iota of original thought will instantly agree with them.

This is the source of the power of those who control public opinion, and commonly accepted reality - there are an endless supply of people whose minds are so lazy, they cannot bear the thought of having to revise any of their beliefs - so they will instead reject all alternative viewpoints.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:06 AM
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Some of the posts in this thread made me think I had somehow ended up on Stormfront. "The Jews done it!!!".



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by Manolete
Some of the posts in this thread made me think I had somehow ended up on Stormfront. "The Jews done it!!!".


Fun fact: While I consider myself a complete mutt (really, I am), amongst that mutt is a little German Jew.

Apparently I hate like 10% of myself



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:29 AM
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Yup, it's just like i said in another thread. During WW2 some major US companies were backing the Nazi's.

The problem is no one has bothered to bring it to light or even cared. IMO just another shred of truth that that war was about war profiteering and not about doing the right thing.

I mean, the US stayed out of it until the powers that be decided to blow up that ship which had more casualties than the titanic. They forced the US in, our country didn't just wake up one day and decided Germany was an enemy.. our industries where making money hand over fist DURING the war financing them.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by cenpuppie]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


Yup he is all over the news as of late.
Let's see, he makes a war movie. "Platoon" makes millions of dollars then poo poos another War movie "Pearl Harbor" as glorifying war.

Can anybody say hypocrite?

Oliver Stone Defends Hitler; Blames Jews for Nazi Fuhrer's Bad Reputation

Controversial movie director Oliver Stone topped himself on Sunday, July 25th, when the Academy Award-winning filmmaker defended Adolf Hitler in an interview with The Times of London. The
half-Jewish filmmaker blamed Jewish control of the American media for the Nazi Führer's bad image. Stone also lambasted the "Jewish-dominated" mass media for the United States' policy towards Israel.

Stone recently directed a documentary South of the Border that canonizes Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, a self-proclaimed enemy of American imperialism. In the New York Times, Larry Rother mentions how Stone has often been lambasted for playing loose with historical fact.


"Pearl Harbor" was a crappy war propaganda made for idiots, with bad CGI and Ben Affleck. Please don't dare comparing it to the philosophical war movie that "Platoon" was.

Platoon didn't just made a thinly-veiled critique of the absurdity of the Vietnam war, but a reflection of how we have a dumb, demented civilization that has feeds on the constant demonization and invasion of the "other" in order to survive. And alienation towards Nature, above all.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:32 AM
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ju signed up today but been around since 07... so gorman
if you say 6 million died how many people per day would it take if all were gassed as you say?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:34 AM
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That's nice, coming from the one who called the top sex trade nations the good guys and North Korea a good guy. I'm pretty sure your biased in everything you say and there's nothing much logical. I actually do not believe much of anything I'm told and am very skeptical. Took me a whole 5 years of investigation religion before I even decided I wanted one. Took me 7 years of investigating careers before I decided for sure what I wanted to do with my life.

It's funny. It took a Google search and an hour or two of reading to learn that the holocaust did in fact happen and the Jews, Gypsies, Communists and the rest were, in fact, killed by the German war machine.

This discussion pretty much is retarded and when people like yourself come a long and try to make a case with pretty much nothing, it
is a great day for jokes.

Chimney's are there. Bones are there. All the proof is there. Millions of witnesses all right there. But now, let you enjoy your ignorance. Enjoy!

Nice to talking with you.


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Seeing as it was not equal per day, it would not be a mathematical rule. Most of them were killed in the end of the war to try and accelerate things.


[edit on 27-7-2010 by Gorman91]

[edit on 27-7-2010 by Gorman91]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


Yup he is all over the news as of late.
Let's see, he makes a war movie. "Platoon" makes millions of dollars then poo poos another War movie "Pearl Harbor" as glorifying war.

Can anybody say hypocrite?



"Pearl Harbor" was a crappy war propaganda made for idiots, with bad CGI and Ben Affleck. Please don't dare comparing it to the philosophical war movie that "Platoon" was.

Platoon didn't just made a thinly-veiled critique of the absurdity of the Vietnam war, but a reflection of how we have a dumb, demented civilization that has feeds on the constant demonization and invasion of the "other" in order to survive. And alienation towards Nature, above all.

[edit on 27/7/10 by Echtelion]

[edit on 27/7/10 by Echtelion]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:37 AM
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Considering all those wars have caused our fall, it is not really thriving.

It's more like suicide for the lulz of it. No real reason. There's no sane reason why the last 60 odd years of war occurred other than the intent to destroy the nation.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by undo
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i could be wrong lol i ain't a prophet.

i'm sure some ashkenazis died as well, it's just i see it as much a religious vs. non religious jews thing as i do a hitler thing.


I agree with you there. There were and are people that claim to be "Jews" that never followed the faith. It's a front and it serves as armor. Anyone that questions these phonies and their business becomes an anti-Semite.

This is true with all faiths I think. There are Christians that are Christian out of expediency. It serves their purpose. It helps one if others think they are whole heartedly part of the group. George W. Bush comes to mind as does Bernie Madoff. Those men have fronted as part of their groups only to personal advantage. My point is that those that suffered the holocaust have been remebered but they have not been the ones generally that have benefitted from the remembrance.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 11:40 AM
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well its impossible to reach your 6 million gassings if you start in 41..
let alone just the end of the war when the allies bombed railroads an cut off medical supplies.. i have a tough time believing in these gassings .. maybe im wrong but the numbers dont add up



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