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Oliver Stone: Jewish control of the media is preventing free Holocaust debate

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posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 05:54 AM
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reply to post by wolfofodin
 


revolt of the nature you refer to ends with dead people. no one needs to die over this issue. or any other issue. heck if i had my druthers, we'd all live forever starting right now. (but i could go for a body upgrade. it's currently getting worn out).

lobby group sounds good though.


you mentioned it seemed unlikely that christians or jews could be persecuted in america and all i have to say on that is ---> au contraire. i have a list about a mile long of things people have done to me because i'm a christian. i think we all have examples of being prejudiced against, don't we? well stick those examples you have personally endured, in the body of a white female with blond hair and large bossoms. now stick a brain that actually defies the stereotype, in the head of said female and a moral compass that resists the image as well. now poke said female with the stereotype stick repeatedly. whatcha think is gonna happen next?




posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by ModernAcademia
 


Europe hated Jews, Germany tried to ship them off. Couldn't. Killed them instead. Europe did not like Germany off the banks, went to war, discovered holocaust, was sad. Jews got homeland.


End of debate. Stop beating a dead horse.


No, what you are saying is pure disinformation and shows that you are either a liar or ignorant of history.

www.rense.com...



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:23 AM
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i've read that before, i remember thinking it must be a typo or something. then i noticed the rock in there, and thought the person who wrote it was delusional, why would a jewish person want to hurt other jewish people. ah, the bliss of naivete'.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by undo]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:24 AM
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I agree 100 % that christians can be persecuted by the idiots on the far left and liberals.

The problem is that the power of the Christian Zionists, the fundamentalists and the TV evangelist preachers and their wealth and hypocrisy have made despise christians.

I think the primary problem is that the Christian Zionists and fundamentalists (with the emphasis on mentalist) have turned so many people away from Christianity

Along with the Gay Marxist Christians, with their cult of gay marriage, Christianity has come to be seen as either insane or an emanation of political correctness and marxism.


Christianity needs to evolve.

The future of Christianity has been given to us already.

The discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls was the Second Coming of Christ.

The wisdom in the scrolls was the 'rebirth' of Christ in our era.

They reveal the true teachings of Christ as opposed to the Bible - which is a product of the Roman Emperor Constantine and based on pagan myths which were designed to turn early christianity into the state religion of the Roman Empire.

Most Christians forget the Bible was not written by either Jesus or God.

It was the product of the Roman Empire.

The jar the dead sea scrolls were found in was the symbol of the Jar from the Age of Aquarius from which holy water ( the knowledge of the Gnosis) flows.

In this new Age of Aquarius the teachings of the Gnosis, and the Holy Spirit, flow not through the Churches, but via individuals who are filled with gods spirit.

New teachers will arrive filled with the Gnosis who will awaken people to their souls and allow them to enter the Aeon of the Pneumatics.

The Age of Religion is giving way to the Age of Spirit.

The Dan Brown book and its symbol of the Holy Grail was a new archetype awakening - and was symbolic of the Johannine Era begiining and an end to the Petrian succession.

Thats why the book was so succesful, not because it was good or correct but because it was about a new archetype awakening in the minds of people.

The future of christianity is based on the Gnosis of the Gnostic Christos which is held in the Grail / water carrier.

I once had a dream where I was shown a painting.

I was asleep but awoke fully conscious in a dark room, like a temple of sorts.

Than an unseen voice spoke to me and said 'what you are about to see is holy'.

Then an image appeared of a massive painting in the darkness - on one side of it was an image of the Twin Towers falling and the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse being set free.

The Twin Towers represented the collission and collapse of both science ( the planes and towers) and the twisted faith of religion (the islamists that flew the planes).

Science denied the soul whilst religion enslaved it to dogma.

Both are now subservient to the spirit.

The image represented the ending of religious dogma and the unleashing of the Apocalypse.

On the other side was a knight in armour on horseback carrying the flag of England, the Red Cross, which is also the symbol of the the second coming of Christ.

I am English, so I think this was suggestive of a prophecy being given to me.

In the middle of the painting was the Holy Grail and flying down from above to place into it a twig with green leaves growing from it was a white dove - signifying the new Gnosis growing and the rebirth of the Holy Spirit.

The Grail signifies an alternative path to redemption and salvation outside the teachings of the churches and religions.

It is the method of achieving spiritual salvation outside the Bible.

To be frank this dream, and others I have had including prophetic ones I have had, scared me.

Prophets always get killed and I do not want to be killed by some nutter.

Therefore I present to you what I saw and what I was told.

You can learn from it or ignore it.

In the meantime I will carry on doing my thang.

I aint gonna be a prophet, I am just gonna be me.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:28 AM
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What we have is:
Hateful invective and obfuscation VS an effort to investigate and express the facts.
Any discerning reader can see that for what it is.

PS.
Stalin slaughtered (Holocaust means "burnt offering" which would be a more appropriate description for maybe Dresden) 35 million Christians.
One would do well to read Solzhenitsyn's detailling of the WHODUNNIT, While noting his book on the subject is/was totally suppressed by the same media moguls Stone is on about.

Telling stuff.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by Danbones]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by wolfofodin
The Twin Towers represented the collission and collapse of both science ( the planes and towers) and the twisted faith of religion (the islamists that flew the planes).

Science denied the soul whilst religion enslaved it to dogma.

Both are now subservient to the spirit


Thats an incredibly trippy dream!

and in so much detail , weird that you remembered so much from such a lucid dream

However I find it odd that you assume that science has denied the soul , science will never fall as you seen in your dream. If anything science will bring humanity closer to the understanding of the soul and what it means to be human.

Without science we couldnt explain why we have thoughts and beliefs about your god !

So go figure !

The human spirit and human spirituality is something far greater than any religion or god that we humans can dream up !

[edit on 27-7-2010 by sapien82]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:39 AM
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Watch out everyone.

They'll call you a "nazi" like they did me in another thread!


www.abovetopsecret.com...

I think I was about .....

once,

twice,

three tiiiiiiiimes a nazi!


All I did was declare my love of my race and my where my people came from.


The holocaust has become a religion in itself and if you dispute ANY of it, your a heretic.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:42 AM
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Oh and P.S.

Exactly a week before the jet plane that landed on the Hudson river in New York crash landed I had a dream where I watched the whole thing. From start to finish.

I texted a friend in the morning the details of the dream including the planes colours, it landing on the river, floating on the river and its wings having people sitting on them.

When the plane landed and i watched it live on the news it scared the crap out of me.

I know now that it was a divine miracle, that it was a sign of gods love and grace and happened in New York as a way to show the people of America and the city of New York that god is real and that he loves them.

It happened as a message to people about god in that place where the 911 attacks occurred.

As their faith was challenged, God gave them a miracle to re-affirm their faith.

Few understood what the plane landing mean though.

But the fact is to have dreamt it all a week before scared me and it also frightened my friend.

Can you imagine having an dream like that, where I was watching exactly what happened a week before it happened.

Then having to watch it live on tv !

It freaked me out badly.

If you want to know about other ones to come, which are not nice, I will let you know if you are interested.

The worst one I have seen is a famine in Africa where millions die and the whites are blamed for it by traditional witchdoctors and shamans who say 'kill the whites and the drought will end' and so thousands of whites are murdered and eaten, leading to a UN train convoy guarded by soldiers collecting hundreds of terrified white people living out in the Bush who are being collected along the rail tracks before being flown out by planes from an airfield.

I saw that the men let the women and children go on the planes whilst they stayed behind and were slaughtered by thousands of angry people with machetes.

That hasnt happened yet.

I hope it doesnt.

It was bloody horrible having to watch it all.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by patmac
. It's currently against the law in some parts of the world to say that 5,999,999 jews died during the holocaust, instead of the globally accepted 6,000,000+. Which is odd, isn't it? You can only say one number, otherwise you're deemed a 'monster'.


That's simply not true. In all countries with laws like that it is a crime to categorically state that there was no Holocaust. Simply debating the numbers or making a scholarly argument based on sources about the exact number will not get you in trouble... These laws are against the denial of the Holocaust - they do not proscribe one to believe that it was exactly 6 million. The 6 milion is something like a ruff estimate, no scholar would argue that it's an exact number down to the last man. Silly straw-man argument.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:51 AM
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Thats an incredibly trippy dream!

and in so much detail , weird that you remembered so much from such a lucid dream

However I find it odd that you assume that science has denied the soul , science will never fall as you seen in your dream. If anything science will bring humanity closer to the understanding of the soul and what it means to be human.

Without science we couldnt explain why we have thoughts and beliefs about your god !

So go figure !

The human spirit and human spirituality is something far greater than any religion or god that we humans can dream up !

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Tell me about it being trippy !

I have three types of dreams.

ones where I dream junk.

One where I have intense dreams filled with symbolism and ones that are prophetic.

I havent had many prophetic dreams since the Hudson plane crash dream as it frightened me so much.

I think I now unconsciously try and block them.

To have a dream like the Hudson was not nice, as to see it happening in the real world exactly as it happened was terrifying.

I spent two weeks in total shock trying to work out what it meant in relation to science, causality, god and nature.

Too much !

When I said science will fall what I mean is that the contemporary scientific paradigm will fall that denies the existence of the soul.

Science will sooner or later discover that the soul exists and that the body is just a vehicle for the soul - and at the same time the existence of the soul will challenge the dogma of religions who say that unless you do as they demand you will go to hell.

There is no 'hell' as we see in the religions, there is only the hell of an soul existing in eternity regretting the evil actions it did in life.

Science and religion will both be forced to change when the soul is discovered.

And that time is near.

There are new teachers being born right now filled with the Holy Spirit.

I think that soon we will hear from some of them.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 06:52 AM
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do you think he's going to focus on the christians stalin killed? not likely. he's going to focus on the christians that supposedly signed on the dotted line with hitler. that's the kinda thing i'm talking about right there. there's always 2 sides, at the least, to every story, ya know?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:05 AM
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eek, i really want to engage you in this dream conversation but fear the op would be angry with me for taking his thread off topic. suffice it to say, those are quite interesting dreams! i've also had several dreams as well that follow along a similar range of types: 1) just random stuff, 2) symbol laden, 3) meaningful real time type stuff.

hopefully you don't have any dreams of people all over the world dying enmasse. that african thing sounds all kinds of bad and falls in line with the witch doctors telling them that having sex with infants would cure aids.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:17 AM
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Originally posted by NichirasuKenshin

Originally posted by patmac
. It's currently against the law in some parts of the world to say that 5,999,999 jews died during the holocaust, instead of the globally accepted 6,000,000+. Which is odd, isn't it? You can only say one number, otherwise you're deemed a 'monster'.


That's simply not true. In all countries with laws like that it is a crime to categorically state that there was no Holocaust. Simply debating the numbers or making a scholarly argument based on sources about the exact number will not get you in trouble... These laws are against the denial of the Holocaust - they do not proscribe one to believe that it was exactly 6 million. The 6 milion is something like a ruff estimate, no scholar would argue that it's an exact number down to the last man. Silly straw-man argument.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]


That is not a silly straw man argument. That is the truth. In Germany, if you say that only four million jews were killed, you are guilty of the crime of making less harmful (verharmlosung) national socialism and you are also guilty of insulting the memory of the dead. I'm a (former) german. I lived there. I know what I can get away with saying and what not.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by christianpatrick


That is not a silly straw man argument. That is the truth. In Germany, if you say that only four million jews were killed, you are guilty of the crime of making less harmful (verharmlosung) national socialism and you are also guilty of insulting the memory of the dead. I'm a (former) german. I lived there. I know what I can get away with saying and what not.


Yes it is. I have lived in Germany. And I am currently residing in a country that has the same laws.

If you come up with a reasonable, scholarly argument based on sources that there were only 4 million jews killed by the Nazis then you won't be prosecuted. If all you do is claim that the Holocaust is a hoax, then you will be prosectued.

That's simply how it is. There's been enough scholarly research coming out of Germany that questions the 6 million number. As long as it is not done in a hateful-revionist way then you won't get any problems. Making blanket statements about the Holocaust being a hoax will get you in trouble though.

Nowhere in the German law does it say that it was exactly 6 million and that mentioning any other number is considered denial. It's all about context.

If that isn't the case... Why don't you present me with even one case of a scholar who wrote a source-based revision of the 6 million number and got trouble for it? I bet you can't since there never was. This law is only used against the more ridiculous, blanket-denial of the holocaust... Claiming anything else is disingenious.

[edit on 27-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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the holocaust, just like 9/11, is a conspiracy. the official story is a lie, this doesn't mean it is 100 percent false, it just means that certain facts are not being presented. Just like they try and hide the fact that bombs took down the towers, and not just the planes took them down, revealing that the government agencies had to have had a hand in it, so too the holocaust story is hiding information from you, namely that the large banks were funding Hitler, and that this was a pre-planned event in order to migrate Jews from Europe to Israel.

let's put it this way: say the holocaust is 100 percent true, that 6 million Jews were gassed (as well as electrocuted, their skin was made into lamp shades, soap, hair was made into bed mattresses, I'm just going along with the official story), let's say all that is true: why would it be done? Try and get passed the regurgitated "cause Hitler hated Jews" and try and see an actual, logical reason behind this. In a similar way that Bush declared the terrorists "hated our freedom," the "Hitler hated Jews"s statement is a mask, a cover, of the real reason. The real reason for the holocaust was to give the Jewish people a reason to migrate out of Europe and into the desert of Israel, in order to fulfill biblical prophecy. The conspirators like to think of themselves as God, and they know that if they do things that mimic biblical revelations, their mindless followers will think it is "God's" work, and all the while it is the work of the globalists.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power
www.guardian.co.uk...

I laugh whenever someone says "If you mess with Israel, God will punish you," Because I know which "God" they are referring to. None other than the fractional reserve system that has been manipulating world events for a very long time.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:40 AM
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Originally posted by undo
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eek, i really want to engage you in this dream conversation but fear the op would be angry with me for taking his thread off topic. suffice it to say, those are quite interesting dreams! i've also had several dreams as well that follow along a similar range of types: 1) just random stuff, 2) symbol laden, 3) meaningful real time type stuff.

hopefully you don't have any dreams of people all over the world dying enmasse. that african thing sounds all kinds of bad and falls in line with the witch doctors telling them that having sex with infants would cure aids.


Hi,

how about starting a thread about dreams and symbolism and prophecy or something where people can post their weird dreams.

I am a newbie so cant start threads.

And I dont want to annoy the mods.



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:44 AM
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the paranormal section has dream threads on it. i suppose we could post in one that's already started?
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 07:46 AM
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okay provide a link where you want to start posting and I will jump to it.

Hows that sound ?



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:04 AM
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maybe this one? you should comment on the author's dream first though. it reminds me of fenrir in the ragnarok story. seems a fitting place for you to post.
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 08:20 AM
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it really makes you wonder why it has been made illegal to claim the holocaust was flase or that it was not as it has been portrayed by history.

So are we no longer to question our past , in search of new evidence, thats like saying we cant use the double jeopardy rule to catch out a violent criminal when new DNA evidence comes to light.

Are we allowed to question every other mass genocide of humans on the planet apart from the jewish holocaust, yes ! , then why not the holocaust ?

I understand the sheer scale of emotion involved in something so horrible , and how many people could easily be offended , but isnt it more of an offense to those people to hide them from the truth ?




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