reply to post by c g henderson
Yes, thanks. Point taken. I just wanted to be very clear that they didn't say that.
You know, I think we all get that a lot of times when people say "Obama" they mean either the government or the administration or the presidency in
general or as a rule. And lets face it, part of his job as a leader is to be exactly that kind of focal point...for the good as well as the bad.
In this case, it just seems more personal...more specific to the man than the office. Maybe that's what's disturbing me.
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reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 02:29 PM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by wheresthetruth
Well hell you're right. Things were a mess and many people had hope. Most of us who didn't hold out as much hope, again, maybe aren't as disappointed. It's an emotional time. I think Obama himself thought what he was saying was true...felt he really could make a difference for the better. I guess I'm saying he may have been naive.
Well hell you're right. Things were a mess and many people had hope. Most of us who didn't hold out as much hope, again, maybe aren't as disappointed. It's an emotional time. I think Obama himself thought what he was saying was true...felt he really could make a difference for the better. I guess I'm saying he may have been naive.
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 02:50 PM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by A Novel
This story is 100% factual. I wrote it down in my journal that night, and even wrote it to a friend here on ATS in a U2U. It is your prerogative to choose not to believe it. I have no agenda here and no reason to fabricate.
We were not in a hospital but in a doctors' waiting room. The practice consists of 8 vascular surgeons and doctors. One was in house, and 3 others were scheduled to be there but were running late in surgery. Our appointment time was 10:15 and we were told to be there at 10:00 to fill out paperwork. Our total wait was 50 minutes. That is hardly uncommon.
[edit on 7/26/2010 by ~Lucidity]
This story is 100% factual. I wrote it down in my journal that night, and even wrote it to a friend here on ATS in a U2U. It is your prerogative to choose not to believe it. I have no agenda here and no reason to fabricate.
We were not in a hospital but in a doctors' waiting room. The practice consists of 8 vascular surgeons and doctors. One was in house, and 3 others were scheduled to be there but were running late in surgery. Our appointment time was 10:15 and we were told to be there at 10:00 to fill out paperwork. Our total wait was 50 minutes. That is hardly uncommon.
[edit on 7/26/2010 by ~Lucidity]
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 02:53 PM by astrogolf
reply to post by ~Lucidity
What I'd like to impress upon you is that these are the kind of things that were said against Hitler, but ignored. My arguments aside, it should at least raise an eyebrow when so many people (55 percent) regard the president as a socialist. And I assure you, these aren't the half that pay no taxes. They are those with a stake in this country.
Obama has stated repeatedly he is a progressive. He doesn't call himself a democrat, but a progressive. Look at progressive literature from the early 20th century, before the proponents discovered just how unpopular and what a tough sell it was. Before it was "repackaged."
Progressivism is marxism installed in stages, as opposed to violent revolution.
They require only tepid support to enact policies, from which there is no turning back. People have a tendency to disregard the old, and they shouldn't. They've seen this movie before. It doesn't end well. Remember government's last enormous forray into our pocket book. Social Security. So we pony up money, which the government promised to "invest", giving us a small pension at retirement. Only, they didn't actually "invest" anything. They spent the money, and a few trillion (14)more we don't have. As stated on camera by Obama and his health care "czar" the purpose of the healthcare take over is to redistribute wealth. The bad news is there, some just don't listen.
You may not realize it, but the recent "financial reform" package gives the gummint access to every financial transaction you make on your debit card. The ultiimate purpose is control Are you comfortable with the government knowing your travel patterns, purchases and habits? Do you think it's just a friendly curiousity. Do you beleive the gummint can give you some good advice and coupons based on your purchase habits. How about they'd like to know where every penny is in case they "need" it for the common good.
Not having seen the destruction, death, mahem and warfare first hand, many like to beleive that nothing bad will ever happen, that we have nothing to fear and the government is there to protect our liberty. This is proof that not enough "citizens" bothered cracking open a history book. Everything was lovely and upbeat in Germany in 1930, but six million roasted jews and a few heil Hitler's later, they discovered how free they were. Ask the hottest chick in Syria where she gets her neglige, and she'll tell you how free she is. Can't happen here. Sure it can. And it is. Question is, what are you going to do about it. You see, once people get a little power, they want more, and in fact they think they're so wonderful, they know what's best for you. So when we give consent to trade of even a small peice of liberty, they come back for more and more and more. When the checks and balances are just a memory, you'll see just how free you really are. Wake up.
[edit on 26-7-2010 by astrogolf]
What I'd like to impress upon you is that these are the kind of things that were said against Hitler, but ignored. My arguments aside, it should at least raise an eyebrow when so many people (55 percent) regard the president as a socialist. And I assure you, these aren't the half that pay no taxes. They are those with a stake in this country.
Obama has stated repeatedly he is a progressive. He doesn't call himself a democrat, but a progressive. Look at progressive literature from the early 20th century, before the proponents discovered just how unpopular and what a tough sell it was. Before it was "repackaged."
Progressivism is marxism installed in stages, as opposed to violent revolution.
They require only tepid support to enact policies, from which there is no turning back. People have a tendency to disregard the old, and they shouldn't. They've seen this movie before. It doesn't end well. Remember government's last enormous forray into our pocket book. Social Security. So we pony up money, which the government promised to "invest", giving us a small pension at retirement. Only, they didn't actually "invest" anything. They spent the money, and a few trillion (14)more we don't have. As stated on camera by Obama and his health care "czar" the purpose of the healthcare take over is to redistribute wealth. The bad news is there, some just don't listen.
You may not realize it, but the recent "financial reform" package gives the gummint access to every financial transaction you make on your debit card. The ultiimate purpose is control Are you comfortable with the government knowing your travel patterns, purchases and habits? Do you think it's just a friendly curiousity. Do you beleive the gummint can give you some good advice and coupons based on your purchase habits. How about they'd like to know where every penny is in case they "need" it for the common good.
Not having seen the destruction, death, mahem and warfare first hand, many like to beleive that nothing bad will ever happen, that we have nothing to fear and the government is there to protect our liberty. This is proof that not enough "citizens" bothered cracking open a history book. Everything was lovely and upbeat in Germany in 1930, but six million roasted jews and a few heil Hitler's later, they discovered how free they were. Ask the hottest chick in Syria where she gets her neglige, and she'll tell you how free she is. Can't happen here. Sure it can. And it is. Question is, what are you going to do about it. You see, once people get a little power, they want more, and in fact they think they're so wonderful, they know what's best for you. So when we give consent to trade of even a small peice of liberty, they come back for more and more and more. When the checks and balances are just a memory, you'll see just how free you really are. Wake up.
[edit on 26-7-2010 by astrogolf]
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 02:58 PM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by astrogolf
Most of what you mention here already happened due to the Patriot Act. In addition, the bailout snowball was set in motion during past administrations, so while what you say is VERY alarming and might be VERY appropriate, it is not necessarily a reflection of a single man or administration. However, what someone mentioned, and which I'm not sure doesn't have some merit, about what kind of "news" someone watches could well explain some of the reactions like these that we're seeing.
[edit on 7/26/2010 by ~Lucidity]
Most of what you mention here already happened due to the Patriot Act. In addition, the bailout snowball was set in motion during past administrations, so while what you say is VERY alarming and might be VERY appropriate, it is not necessarily a reflection of a single man or administration. However, what someone mentioned, and which I'm not sure doesn't have some merit, about what kind of "news" someone watches could well explain some of the reactions like these that we're seeing.
[edit on 7/26/2010 by ~Lucidity]
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 03:11 PM by copper5661
reply to post by Chance321
I don't think I have ever said I''m going to kill that son-of-a- xxxxx. It is just not in my make-up. And Obama isn't going to kill the country. This back and forth between parties has been going on the our founding fathers. And by the way I am almost fifty.
I don't think I have ever said I''m going to kill that son-of-a- xxxxx. It is just not in my make-up. And Obama isn't going to kill the country. This back and forth between parties has been going on the our founding fathers. And by the way I am almost fifty.
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 03:12 PM by dgtempe
reply to post by SUICIDEHK45
I've had the same thing here. The hospital always has an Animal planet show on and the TV's control remote gone. "DO NOT TOUCH ME" reads the TV.
Same on Drs. offices or if you're waiting to get car repaired. I guess they dont want you to think they are promoting propaganda or promoting comments.
I dont think anyone wants any president dead. People will see something and forget they are in a public place and start unloading.
I cant say its a bad thing, after all, most of my Drs visits are due to the BS of the last 10 years, and i may throw a shoe at the tv...I could when i'm in one of my moods.
No dead presidents- we just want some darn peace of mind and some action and truth.
[edit on 26-7-2010 by dgtempe]
I've had the same thing here. The hospital always has an Animal planet show on and the TV's control remote gone. "DO NOT TOUCH ME" reads the TV.
Same on Drs. offices or if you're waiting to get car repaired. I guess they dont want you to think they are promoting propaganda or promoting comments.
I dont think anyone wants any president dead. People will see something and forget they are in a public place and start unloading.
I cant say its a bad thing, after all, most of my Drs visits are due to the BS of the last 10 years, and i may throw a shoe at the tv...I could when i'm in one of my moods.
No dead presidents- we just want some darn peace of mind and some action and truth.
[edit on 26-7-2010 by dgtempe]
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 03:28 PM by ~Lucidity
reply to post by darkelf
Breaks your heart in some ways, doesn't it? Again, I more fear what someone might do if they were to hear them talking this way. And that's sad too.
[edit on 7/26/2010 by ~Lucidity]
Breaks your heart in some ways, doesn't it? Again, I more fear what someone might do if they were to hear them talking this way. And that's sad too.
[edit on 7/26/2010 by ~Lucidity]
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 03:28 PM by astrogolf
reply to post by ~Lucidity
If you're making the claim that we are all programmed by the news we watch I say this. That would apply only to someone who makes the assumption that anything said on TV is true. You may have noticed the recent story regarding journolist, in which journalists were actively conspiring to deceive the public as to increase support for the Obama campaign. I do not trust journalists. I search for facts. It is easy to learn the truth regarding one's own actions by listening to his own words. The president refers to himself as a progressive. The president advocates redistribution of wealth, and as you may remember this made Joe the plumber famous. The president has a tendency to appoint self-proclaimed marxists to "czar" level positions. The president is therefore, by his own description, a marxist. Not because fox news says so (they haven't) and not because he's black. Whether or not you get a thrill running up your leg as you watch Obama, or think trading freedom for free government cheese is a great thing may in your case be influenced by television, but facts are stubborn things. So on the day you wake up, moderate "open minded" views and all, and you realize that you can't vacation in the rockies because you forgot to get a permit, and the government tells you you can't afford it anyway, remember that while you were giving him the benefit of the doubt, he was stealing your freedom.
As a side note, for some reason Obama supporters seem to think we're all crazy about George Bush. George Bush did only one thing moderately (pun) well, and that was to cut income tax rates. Clinton did a better job, after realizign the folks weren't interested in a government take over of health care. He caved in on the congress will to spend money, and therefore either lacked fiscal responsablity or was a weak-kneed consenus builder. We revere the constitution, not a party. We love freedom, not a child-like guardianship, and demand the freedoms that were supposedly protected by the constitution. These freedoms come from god, and are not granted or to be taken by government, and on this there is no comprimise. There are no "grey" areas.
[edit on 26-7-2010 by astrogolf]
If you're making the claim that we are all programmed by the news we watch I say this. That would apply only to someone who makes the assumption that anything said on TV is true. You may have noticed the recent story regarding journolist, in which journalists were actively conspiring to deceive the public as to increase support for the Obama campaign. I do not trust journalists. I search for facts. It is easy to learn the truth regarding one's own actions by listening to his own words. The president refers to himself as a progressive. The president advocates redistribution of wealth, and as you may remember this made Joe the plumber famous. The president has a tendency to appoint self-proclaimed marxists to "czar" level positions. The president is therefore, by his own description, a marxist. Not because fox news says so (they haven't) and not because he's black. Whether or not you get a thrill running up your leg as you watch Obama, or think trading freedom for free government cheese is a great thing may in your case be influenced by television, but facts are stubborn things. So on the day you wake up, moderate "open minded" views and all, and you realize that you can't vacation in the rockies because you forgot to get a permit, and the government tells you you can't afford it anyway, remember that while you were giving him the benefit of the doubt, he was stealing your freedom.
As a side note, for some reason Obama supporters seem to think we're all crazy about George Bush. George Bush did only one thing moderately (pun) well, and that was to cut income tax rates. Clinton did a better job, after realizign the folks weren't interested in a government take over of health care. He caved in on the congress will to spend money, and therefore either lacked fiscal responsablity or was a weak-kneed consenus builder. We revere the constitution, not a party. We love freedom, not a child-like guardianship, and demand the freedoms that were supposedly protected by the constitution. These freedoms come from god, and are not granted or to be taken by government, and on this there is no comprimise. There are no "grey" areas.
[edit on 26-7-2010 by astrogolf]
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 03:30 PM by Stewie
reply to post by astrogolf
My sentiments exactly.
Another point, and this has nothing to do with Obama other that the fact that he plays the game as well as any of them.
Governments get larger, like a malignant tumor, they grow. Unless an outside source can remove the tumor, or bring it under control, they kill the host. The tumor does not bring itself under control.
I personally believe we have "bubbles" in our economy so that this expansion of government APPEARS to be painless. Bubbles are engineered. When the economy is booming, people are employed, and the government expands painlessly. When the bubble collapses, government should shrink.
But no, tumors keep growing.
My sentiments exactly.
Another point, and this has nothing to do with Obama other that the fact that he plays the game as well as any of them.
Governments get larger, like a malignant tumor, they grow. Unless an outside source can remove the tumor, or bring it under control, they kill the host. The tumor does not bring itself under control.
I personally believe we have "bubbles" in our economy so that this expansion of government APPEARS to be painless. Bubbles are engineered. When the economy is booming, people are employed, and the government expands painlessly. When the bubble collapses, government should shrink.
But no, tumors keep growing.
reply posted on 26-7-2010 @ 03:33 PM by wcitizen
reply to post by ~Lucidity
People of that age group have a lot of life experience and a lot of wisdom.
And it's possible they can see the writing on the wall more clearly than younger people.
I don't for a minute think they have become 'terrorists', lol, but I think they are expressing many things by their statements. The deep unhappiness with what their country has become, a sense of urgency about the need to stop the insanity for which Obama is now the (oh, so willing) 'figurehead'. And a sense of powerlessness. In the past they would have probably said 'Vote him out', but, they are too worldly wise and experienced to believe that is now possible.
I suspect this kind of response will become increasingly more prevalent under the current circumstances.
People of that age group have a lot of life experience and a lot of wisdom.
And it's possible they can see the writing on the wall more clearly than younger people.
I don't for a minute think they have become 'terrorists', lol, but I think they are expressing many things by their statements. The deep unhappiness with what their country has become, a sense of urgency about the need to stop the insanity for which Obama is now the (oh, so willing) 'figurehead'. And a sense of powerlessness. In the past they would have probably said 'Vote him out', but, they are too worldly wise and experienced to believe that is now possible.
I suspect this kind of response will become increasingly more prevalent under the current circumstances.
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