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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 02:56 PM
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But are'nt they wasting their time here??

One thing would be to look for posts that threaten the security of the president. I can understand that. But everything we post here, give me a break, these are all things "they" already know. They know the public is awake as to the NWO and everything is coming to the forefront. In fact, "they" , TPTB, are speaking out in the open. Everything now is in our faces, isnt it???

In fact didnt someone in government just say that they are learning more about the public thru the Internet??? Well, what they are learning is that we KNOW much of what is going on now.

What is wrong or illegal about being aware???

I just dont get it.

Why are they here and what do they really want???




posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 02:57 PM
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But are'nt they wasting their time here??

One thing would be to look for posts that threaten the security of the president. I can understand that. But everything we post here, give me a break, these are all things "they" already know. They know the public is awake as to the NWO and everything is coming to the forefront. In fact, "they" , TPTB, are speaking out in the open. Everything now is in our faces, isnt it???

In fact didnt someone in government just say that they are learning more about the public thru the Internet??? Well, what they are learning is that we KNOW much of what is going on now.

What is wrong or illegal about being aware???

I just dont get it.

Why are they here and what do they really want???



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 02:59 PM
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Interesting ideas - am on the side that the majority of monitoring is probably using the automated systems as mentioned above me.

I don't think there are as many spies and propagandists as people think. The fact that we are always concerned about it shows that people can separate a community just with a mere idea.

We get in conversations, someone disagrees with us and we assume that they're an agent, spy or propagandist. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I believe the majority of people on the internet aren't of this variety. Propaganda I think mostly happens at much higher levels than this. Why send one person to a forum when you can broadcast an advert on the TV and create a news article for those people to quote and discuss?

I can't imagine much to be gained here that wouldn't be more accessible through data mining. They would just find out that some people are smart, some not so, and some believe in shape shifting unicorns which eat humans and control the planet.



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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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To be clear what I want to say could be construed as potentially dangerous to the president. Though it has nothing to do with harming a public official in any way, per se.
It isn’t about me merely coming on ATS to pontificate my supposedly awakened state to people I presume are asleep. It is a declaration, a proposal, that I feel may lead to an uproar with in government office.

Not that I believe what I have to say is that big of a deal, I don’t. Like I said from the beginning I’m merely concerned that it may put things in the spotlight unnecessarily.


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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:06 PM
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If you're worried, post it in RATS. That way it won't show up on any random searches by CIA or NSA analysts.

I am quite certain that all the typical alphabet agencies frequent this site. Some even admit to being Federal Agents, but they frequent this site as a personal form of entertainment, rather than an official duty.

It is only the incitement of violence or recruiting of members that will get you in trouble. You will have no problems with posting your opinion or research. If you go to far, the Mods will remove it.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:09 PM
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Something I keep seeing is not really spies as much as destabilization attacks by foreign countries. Spies would not be interested in ATS when they can simply hack one of the governments many Pedias such as Intellipedia, Diplopedia or DoD Techipedia.

But theose governments are involed in these sites for destabilization such as the many ties to Israel over the birther issue. Daniel Pipes is tied to many people in that propaganda Orly Tiatz, Dr. Polland and so on. But I also see a Right Left wing that just doesn't include US politics but a Left Right wing that crosses borders that doesn't reflect the politics of the two countries in a way most see it, but in a way that strawman tactics can be used to futher there goals such as Russia and US cold war. They both became the military might of there own hemisphere.

But each time these things get to big they spread to more than just the two who started it. Take Russia KGB and the US CIA they both shared in the world of drug smuggling/arms smuggling to fight covert wars, But then other countries noticed if you allow smuggling of drugs in other countries you can use them in case of war to smuggle weapons. Now you have other countries doing this for covert wars China, Mexico and Venezuela in South America. Bin Laden learned these tactics from the CIA and used it against the US. But now I see The countries that started these types of things are the ones who are fighting the war on terror trying to fight the very things they created that are now being used against themselves.

The newest is destabilization of political parties that don't favor your own countries point of view. The more harmful parts like finacial destabilization are being avoided due to the global economy being so devastated and the impact a foreign countries economy can have on your own. Recently Russia has decided to walk away from Iran, North Korea due to both of those countries are not going to help Russia advance in the global market places. But propaganda type of campaigns that can change the political powers from Left To Right or Right to Left are free game. In other words they want to avoid Mexico where political parties are teamed with drug cartels that are teamed with international gun smuggling who are at war with each other over which corrupt group gets to run things. Ceryain countries enhoy this such as Cuban, Venezuela and so on. But these are countries held by dictators who control alll aspects of there societies even the illegal portions.

A perfect example of destabilization of political parties Israels control over the US by think tanks in our own government and universities ran by Israelis. China is now following this process.

www.fccaz.org...
en.wikipedia.org...

So China here wants to promote there way of life around the world and before you say it no this wasn't started by Obama. This was started by Bush and many other Republicans. But one question you have to ask yourself is why? Do we really need to learn about communist China so much we have to put them in all the Universities in the US. And its a lot more than just a language class. And the big storm about the Arizona law came directly from this group at the Arizona Unversity and is promoted by them on a regular basis ever since. Just search Arizona China on your next web search and see how much comes up.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:18 PM
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Understood and thoroughly considered. Thank you.

There was a thread recently Titled “I Quit”

In it the Op says that he/she will not pay taxes and other things of that nature if memory serves.
What I have to say, I personally feel is no more radical than that, though I may be incorrect.
I want to be viewed for what I am in reality, not what the government wants to see me as, which is a terrorist.
But if I say something cryptic like:
“I’m a pissed off American with a chip on my shoulder for big brother, and I’m tired of the BS Payday is coming so get ready!”
The government pucker factor gets so tight you can here it squeak.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:23 PM
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Well i understand. I have to be careful or i could go away to camp for the Summer....


We are not free to express all our feelings, that's for sure. I guess i'm just starting to deal with the concept.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:30 PM
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Regarding the "I Quit" thread. I didn't participate in that thread, but I do have an opinion. I work for State Government. I am not in Tax Collection, but I am in the same building. With the Budget Cuts, and limited docket space in the courtrooms, and the overload of cases plaguing the tax specialists, it is extremely unlikely that a normal person would get hammered for opting entirely out of the system.

First off, they would have to notice. Then they would have to research it to confirm. Then they would have to collect evidence to decide how much you actually owed. Most likely the manpower would cost more than the payoff and they would drop the issue. If by some chance they decided that you owed an extreme amount, they might decide to pursue you, but that would require months and months of waiting on court docket space. Also, you are not required to implicate yourself, so it is basically impossible for them to prove an income tax case against you without your help. If the employer is at fault for not withholding the taxes, then the employer will surely higher an attorney to defend themselves. Then you have a $30k per year tax specialist up against an experienced attorney on limited docket space in front of an impatient Judge. It is very, very simple for the average person to quit paying taxes. I don't recommend it, because it is a gamble, and you might be the one they decide to go after. You just might be some over eager new specialists first target to prove themself and get promoted. It is a gamble, and probably a stupid one, but then again, it is unlikely that you will lose.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:34 PM
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I feel you on that.

I have heard so much come out of Washington in the last few years that I have become afraid to make a move.
If in fact they have a long way to go before passing some of there more outlandish bills and resolutions, and the rhetoric is merely aimed at the populous to quail possible dissent then it is working.

It is fear of being labeled a terrorist and being summarily dispatched by one mean or another.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 03:41 PM
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I figured they may be swamped.
While I don’t desire to stop paying taxes altogether there are some I can imagine would behoove a person to not pay.

But your post has just now opened up another possibility for me so that I may go forward with my next thread, which will ultimately lead to the thread for which this one was created.

Thanks for the insight.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 04:21 PM
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like they we i would tell you, you will never know, now if i was to say no never, that would make me look like one, if was to say maybe then there is a possibility of me, but me saying what i said says a lot more, just makes you wonder whose who in the world nowadays, look at the resent spy ring, never thought they were would you, is this just part of big brother? i this part of NSA? is this run by homeland? are we really part of a matrix? are we not all just spy's.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 04:36 PM
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they dont even need to be registered in the website


there are probably a lot



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by dgtempe

Why are they here and what do they really want???


If you know what people know, and how they feel about it, it allows you to target your messages (propaganda) to those people more effectively.

On a website like ATS, where paranoia runs high, the way to discredit Wikileaks is by making people more paranoid about the possibility they are a front or disinfo site.

On a Fox based board, the way to do it is to make it seem like they are terrorists, or dangerous to national security.

It just allows efficient tailoring of the propaganda to the specific group, if you know how that group thinks and feels in detail.

And you dont even need to fund a focus group. Its so much cheaper to just let other people fund those for you, and take advantage of the fact that people are more open when they feel they are anonymous.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 05:29 PM
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Originally posted by snowen20
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Please link to your threads Id liketo view them.


I have linked them in time sequential order as well as relevant order.

Are You "Right-Wing Fringe", or "Left-Wing Fringe" and How Will They Push You?

The first one is about what exactly is it that might make you make a bad decision.

Just Because You're Paranoid, Doesn't Mean They Aren't Out To Get You...

The next one is really self-explanatory considering what your thread is about.

Inception : Dream Sharing, Political Ideology, and Your Mind...

The last one is about how you might be influenced by your thoughts, dreams, and ambitions.

And those of the people you perceive around you in your life.


Originally posted by snowen20
As for your questions lets see..

I take no Offense to the items you mention regarding my ill preparedness.
I’m sure it is true; however part of the open statement had to do with giving up your family and walking away from the people you love knowing that you will most likely be imprisoned or die. I would be willing to do it. Does thatmake me more prepared? I doubt it. No offense taken.


Based upon your answers, it sounds as if you have a desire to commit an action.

Something which might be detrimental, whether to our country, or yourself is yet to be determined, of course, and as well your action will dictate that.

There are many types, levels, and skills towards preparation.

Physical, mental, and logistical, as well as what the end goal will be.

Ultimately, it is your choice, which dictates those prepared levels.

And seeking an inner calm might be the best for you right now.

It sounds as if you're needing to find a focal point for the center of your being.

Meaning, a way to relax, and find inner peace, meditation might do you good.


Originally posted by snowen20
The NO FLY list.

Once again I agree with you on this being a minor inconvenience, I was more or less referring to being unable to leave the country, for that I suspect you would have to be a felon anyway. Sorry I should have been more clear on that.

I am in one of the countries you mentioned correct.


A felony is not a prerequisite, to be on the No-Fly list, it is being on a list.

Meaning you have to be on a list, to get on that list, several layers.

And it is no bother about not being more clear, that is why I asked those questions, to get to the bottom of how we might have further discourse.


Originally posted by snowen20
When I say Feds, I suppose they were FBI, lol no not my drill Sgt.
I did have a background check, but beyond that for about a year I was always having these people calling me in to my captains office, so much in fact that my 1st Sgt was getting tired of it. Apparently I said some things that raised some suspicion in how I managed to make a living over seas.


These people?

Okay, you mentioned "The Fed's", now "these people", be specific please.

Did they show identification, badges, credentials?

If they had you called into your Captain's office they were watching you previous to that encounter, or any of those incidents, guaranteed.

So, you made declarative statements, and they followed-up on them.

Pretty clear-cut there because you made your own problem with statement.

I have a big mouth, I've made declarative statements, and I made it through.

Again, no offense meant, that was a statement, a declarative one, not an accusation.


Originally posted by snowen20
Regarding the customs officer, heres the deal with that.
She was allowing dozens of people through without even requesting to see a passport, and she came to me, and asked so I let her see it.


What country was this where you encountered the Customs Officer?

It sure does not sound like America.

From your definition there, people not being asked for passports, it sounds like a very lax security area, or one who believes, rather ignorantly that safety and security is not a problem, or perhaps an idiot working.

Was it where you get your passport stamped or just a random Customs Officer?

There is a distinct difference between those two positions.

Be specific.

If this seems like I am being mean, I assure you, I am not.

I am an attention to detail oriented person and I notice the finite details.

Or lack thereof.


Originally posted by snowen20
The common questions are: what did you do over there, and what not.
I answered and said, I ran a business dealing with graphic design. Completely fraudulent of course but she had no way of knowing.
Her response was, “why didn’t you get a real job?” To which I replied, “Because I couldn’t, I didn’t have a status for such employment.” She utterly denied that and found several other ways to insult me. The clincher came when I crossed my arms in front of her, A typical defensive posture. In addition to that I had lived over seas so long that I was having difficulty speaking clear English. All this mean I was going to be hassled.


Okay, a few things I notice immediately, you now have me thinking more.

You made reference now, to running a business, which did not exist.

You do know Customs Officer's are trained in lie detection correct?

Her reply, was to get a reaction, because she spotted your self-proclaimed lie.

I am not trying to insult you, or offend you, but you admitted you lied.

The premise of your encounter, from your words, is you were harrassed.

So, before I go on about that part, clarify which it was, please.

Harrassment, or you getting caught in a lie, or your misinterpretation?

I am basing all of my replies based upon your replies without malicious intent.


Originally posted by snowen20
Well It may be radical, and it could lead to violence, and it could lead to the other things you mentioned as well.


It only leads to violence based upon a few things.

1) Your intent.

2) The delivery of intent through action which makes a circumstance.

3) Other people understanding your original intent, based upon the type of actions, taken by you, which lead to others being influenced, harmed, and or killed, depending upon which exact course of action you take.


Originally posted by snowen20
Honestly though that’s not what it is for, and I think upon posting it will become quite clear.


That remains to be seen of course.


Originally posted by snowen20
Like I said, I’m probably making a mountain out of a mole hill.


You could very well be making a mountain out of a molehill.

And you could very well be digging your own grave.

Which it is depends upon the above mentioned and the perception of everyone involved, yourself, other ATS members, myself, and Government.

Personally, I would hope you're being dramatic, and there is no mountain.

You are ultimately responsible for your actions.

I hope your actions are your own and you are not being herded into action.

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 07:33 PM
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You people are joking...you mean you didn't know already that ATS is a joint Al Quaeda / Taliban operation funded in part by the CIA, DARPA, MI6, the Hershey's Candy Corporation and the porn industry.

This was sent out in a special memo sent to people who have been selected to occupy the bases on the moon whenever the world blows up on 12/21/2012.

Only us real studs and hotties are allowed to know this stuff, but it's ok if I spill the beans now, because there are FEMA operatives on the way to put all of the rest of you into boxcars and take you to the "reorientation centers."



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 08:12 PM
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Originally posted by snowen20
How many government spies use ATS?


ATS is run by intelligence, what branch? Foreign? Domestic? … doesn’t matter... it’s all part of the same government/corporate intelligence gathering apparatus. You should be asking, how many ATS usersnames are NOT part of the ATS intelligence apparatus… and my response to that would be, “Very few”.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 10:46 PM
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OP, actually, the question should be if you are that worried about it, why are you here?

I have this perception of my government, they are just a bunch of morons that think they know more about what the rest of us morons should do with our labor.

Fear is the mindkiller.

Fear is a tool that is used to push someone a certain way.

Who cares what they know, they know the hardest thing to guard against is not the ones that are open and honest about the way they feel, it is the ones that smile and say nothing.

I like to smile, I just have a hard time not saying anything.


Of course besides fear, they use anger, ideology, numerous other things. You are right, click on SpartanKing's Avatar name and do some reading. Lots and lots of great info on his page.

As for the I Quit thread, what can the government do? Do they not need a jury to convict you? I was kind of hoping the guys would attempt to do more than just try and collect. I would enjoy wasting their resources and time.

Live your life and deal with things as they come. When any of them stick their heads up, SMILE.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 11:11 PM
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So how many people use this as there home page?

www.opensource.gov...

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