Revelation; The Beast- 666

reply to post by hootieowl


Hey Hootie

You wrote:

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Hey, what was that number again? Oh, yeah, 666 - regarding the numbers, since Revelation was written in Greek - should not that be our basis to work this conversion. If it matches in Hebrew or other fine but I think Greek, or possibly the name of this man as he spells it today - so it is the "number of a man". maybe look at some titles for fun instead of numbers.... see if the number fit?

antichrist ENG antichristos GRK Vicarius Christi LATIN - Vicar of Christ ENG Vicarius Christi LATIN -
antichristos against Christ greek word ANTI can mean substitute - I know the Catholics always expressed this as Substitute - I find it hard to call any man or title a substite for Christ. --Oh, some greek translations may show xristos rather than xhristos - strong's concordance shows antichristos ."

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Again I must repeat myself on this threadlet ad infinitum it seems - there IS NO Greek word ANTI-CHRISTOS in ANY of the mangled badly worded Koine Greek of the the Apocalypse of Yohanon (whoever he was) aka Book of Revelation...

Even D'israeli seems to know that little factoid !

Originally posted by Sigismundus
Even D'israeli seems to know that little factoid !

"Even"? That slightly contemptuous tone comes inappropriately from someone whose sloppy scholarship leads to misattributed quotations.

reply to post by DISRAELI


Jeesh, I am sure I don't understand what you are saying, sometimes English just flies over my head. Maybe you were sarcastic? I can't tell.

I was just using The Riley Family as an example as to how it is planned (IMHO) for major religions to clash as an aid to bring in the new (golden) age / new order and fits in with their "great work". The script "they" are following are laid out in the new testament and Qur’an. As an example - things could have turned out much different with "Lord Rael" if some people did not link him with Mr Lear. Don't for a second think that this little inconvenience will stop their plans as they always have alternate plans in their wings.

Things are also mighty quiet on the Maitreya side. I wonder what their next attempt for a "false prophet" will look like when they are ready to play their Obama or Putin cards? Only time will tell I guess...

reply to post by Falcifer

I do apologise if my hasty reply sounded sarcastic. No sarcasm of any kind was intended. I appreciate your speculative suggestions. It was just that mention of the Riley Family "rang a bell", but I did not immediately realise that you had probably seen their contributions on this thread. That was a memorable encounter, for me, because it was demandingly intensive and late at night.

reply to post by xstealth


Hi Xstelath

Again, I must protest -

You wrote

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"You know maybe you're over analyzing it? Anti-Christ comes on the 6th seal, 6th trumpet, 6th vial = his number 666. That's all there is to it, and I don't think we can expect any name out of it.

Could it be Napoleon? No, it couldn't. The AntiChrist will sit on Mt. Zion and claim to be the Lord, Nappy never did such a thing...."

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Please do NOT think the word or term ANTI-CHRISTOS appears in ANY of the mangled poorly written / grammatically impossible Koine Greek of the Apocalypse of Yohanon (whoever he was) aka the 'Book of Revelation'...

That weird Greek term (literally meaning 'anti-smeared') DOES NOT occur in any extant Greek MSS of the book-and this mangled Greek text IS NOT in any way literarily related to the Greek Epistles attributed to John the Elder (whoever he was) - the one who is generally identified as the same 'John' who penned the grammatically smooth Greek (and distinct Johanine type theology) of 1-2 John in the canonical Greek NT.

So please....in future....do not mention sixth seals (or sixth trumpets !) and Anti-christs in the same sentence - you'd be mixing metaphors ... and authors too !!

This reminds me of when I was a kid.
My Mum told me that during the second world war a newspaper article had said Hitler carried the number of the beast in his name.
She said if you start the alphabet with A = 100, B = 101 and so on till Y= 125, the letters in the name Hitler totalled 666.

I'm not a believer but I always used to try with world leaders from the sixties onwards.

The only one I matched was Bill Clinton.
I tried the name Clinton first but got nowhere then I saw a documentary on him and found he was born William Blythe.
So I tried the name Blythe and found the 666 !

Means nothing to me but thought I'd add it to the thread.

reply to post by lambros56

This reminds me of other things I discovered on the internet.
E.g. "George Bush" and "Bill Gates" did not fit on their own, but they could be made to work if you turned them into "George W. Bush" and "Bill Gates III".
The moral is that you can turn almost anything into "666" if you set your mind to it.
The further moral is that this method produces so many possible candidates that they cancel each other out, meaning that it has no useful value.

reply to post by Sigismundus

Hey, is that it?
Where did you go?
If you're putting people right on Revelation, I've got at least forty other Revelation threads which need the same treatment.

reply to post by DISRAELI


Hey D'Israeli-

You wrote

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Hey, is that it? Where did you go? If you're putting people right on Revelation, I've got at least forty other Revelation threads which need the same treatment.

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Sorry, I was on vacation, and away from my trusty keyboard.

So...you want more background on something technical ref: the Apocalypse of Yohanon? Allons, Fire Away !!

reply to post by Sigismundus

No,no, I've got all the information that I need.
The task is done, as far as I'm concerned.
I meant that you might care to scrutinise some of the other participants in the various threads
With due diligence, of course, to ensure that the comments were not misdirected..

reply to post by DISRAELI

Hi D'Israeli--

You wrote:

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No,no, I've got all the information that I need. The task is done, as far as I'm concerned.
I meant that you might care to scrutinise some of the other participants in the various threads

With due diligence, of course, to ensure that the comments were not misdirected..

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I'm not sure what you mean exactly by 'The Task Is Done' - but...if you want to do a little more digging, and thinking a little deeper about this subject, why don't you check out this threadlet of mine and read it over a few times from beginning to end- you might find that the Task is NOT done....not by a long shot !!!!!!!

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Sigismundus
I'm not sure what you mean exactly by 'The Task Is Done' -

The exact meaning is that I carried through and brought to completion a series of studies on Revelation, in terms of gaining understanding of the intended meaning.
These are the only discussions of Revelation currently active on ATS, and certainly the only systematic survey available on the site.
They have now been organised and indexed in this thread;
Revelation; Project complete

In other words, as I've already stated, the task is done.

reply to post by DISRAELI


I thought this was an interesting message. I was raised Catholic & though I consider myself CHRISTIAN, as to belief, my Catholc upbringing & ancestry is such that I do see often in teh spirit world as to believing possiblity of these messages. This is one, recent, where Mary, The Mother of God, speaks of the importance of honoring The Sabbath. Someone else mentions in another thread in regards to this being a part of the 666 (end times; the switch of Friday/Saturday Sabbath to Sunday & also in the importance of the day of rest & giving respect to our MAKER, GOD).
Related article:
www.spiritdaily.com...

I don't know if anyone knows for sure the exact 666 (mark of the beast), could be a manifestation of varioius possibilities & depending upon the person, location, & time of death (in these end days)!?
I know I don't want it. Opposite of 666 is 999 & then 101010 (binary).. Eternal (Heaven).

666 is YESHUA

666 = XXX = +++ = FATHER, SON ,HOLY SPIRIT = JESUS

6 = 6th day of the week, Jesus was crucified on friday.

reply to post by dave13

Doesn't quite work, because Jesus is on the throne with God, and "666" denotes the enemy of God, so they can hardly be identified.
The "sixth day of the week" perhaps points to the crucifiers of Jesus.

8 pages is pretty deep in, so this will probably only be found by a few dedicated to this thread- but for those wanting to know the identity of the man/name with the counted number 666 it's here (I'd post the info fully in this thread but it's about 3 posts long and don't want to rock the proverbial boat quite that much); hope the OP doesn't mind the link:

counting the number

Also be sure to check out my thread in P&P "timing is everything" to find out the exact day and month this "false prophet" arrives to "overcome the saints" and cause the world to "receive his mark"

reply to post by DISRAELI


The OP wrote:

"In Revelation, "7" is the number which points us towards God.
It's argued that "6" is the number which points us towards humanity (which brings us back to that slightly suspect NIV translation).
In both cases, the association goes back to the story of Creation. The 6th day, when humanity appeared- the 7th day, when God rested.
So the number "666" would be about a focussing upon humanity."

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No. Learn Hebrew and gematria.

Number 7:

1) אבד "Abad" (Abaddon) to stray, to rob, to destroy, to bring to ruin; annihilation, ruin
2) זין weapon, sword, penis, phallus, lizard
3) ב ד א to lie, to deceive
4) א ד ב to vex, to harm
5) ג ב ב to be curved, crooked


Number 666:

"He made the earth" Jer 10.12
"God Yahweh, He that created the heavens" Isa 42:5
"He that spread forth the earth" Isa 42:5
"The Holy Ark" 2Chr 35:3
"Twenty cubits" (Inner sanctuary of King Solomon's Temple" 1Ki 6:20 A perfect cube Gematria = 216 = 6x6x6
"Commandment" εντολαις Mat 22:40
"The Holy Crown" Lev 8:9
"The Day of Yahweh is darkness, not light." Amos 5.18
"Dwellingplace for dragons" Jer 51.36
"Shemesh Yahweh"
"The work of the pillars" 1Ki 7.22
"Pillar" Jud 16:29 (Final Resh)
"Compass" ענקתמו Psa 73:6
"Secret, hidden" וסתר Job 24:15
"Goat, devil, satyr, hairy" 2Ch11:15 ולשעירים
"We perish" απολλυμεθα Mat 8:25

Further still:

Number 77:

1) זבחכם sacrifice Lev 19:6
2) אכנו to smite Num 14:12
3) ויחביאם hide 1Ki 18:4
4) ויטמאהו unclean 2Ki 23:16
5)) לאבדם perish Es 3:9
6) לאויל fool Job 5:2
7) הבסוד secret Job 15:8
8) באידכם calamity Pro 1:26
9) אונך iniquity Jer 4:14

By Gematria, 77 is also:

"Son of Circumcision"; a Hebrew
"strong, fierce"
"to bend, to twist"
"Overthrow", "Ruin"
"to cut off, to destroy"
"tower, pulpit" The "Twin Towers" of 9/11 were "77".
"Twin Towers", or "T.T." resemble twin Hebrew Zayins (7s): זז
They were destined to fall on 9/11 (see Revelation 9:11), as 77 means "destruction of towers".

By the way, when you win at the slot machine at your local casino by pulling a "777", this actually means, "F#$K YOU", in Hebrew.

DISRAELI


- You have listened to an Italian mass, well I listen to a Croatian mass for the last 40 years.


- Lamb and Goat is the same when it comes to a Sacrifice.
Exodus12.2 , Passover. the tenth day ( x) of the first month a young male goat or a lamb will be killed.
Also in Leviticus Goats and sheep were sacrificed for Sin offerings.

Catholic church sacrifices JESUS every mass as an animal,
which is against YESHUA AS THE MESSIAH.



XP = JOLLY ROGER = DEATH AND TROPHY OF JESUS
XP = CHI RHO
X = CHI in greek , in Hebrew and ancient Semitic is "Samekh" = FISH
X = = T Tav/Tau = Mark = + = Jesus
P = RHO in Greek. Resh in Hebrew and ancient Semitic means a HUMAN HEAD
P = Everyone is to believe that Constantine utilisedthe name of CHRIST on his flag,
however, it was not so, Constantine used the RHO (P), which is "RESH" in Hebrew
and symbolises a human HEAD and Jesus was crucifies in Golgotha,
which means "THE PLACE OF THE SKULL"


- ALL EAGLES ARE THE SYMBOL OF JESUS, USED AS A TROPHY FOR HIS DEFEAT.
2nd ESDRAS, 5th Vision.


- 13 is JESUS, Chapter 13 in the Revelation was written against Jesus. FRIDAY 13TH is JESUS
12 APOSTLES, JESUS WAS THE 13TH


- 666 = XXX = +++ = FATHER, SON, HOLY SPIRIT =HOLY TRINITY = JESUS
- 666 = Friday the 6th day of the week, THE DAY JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED
666 = 6 FOOT UNDER
666 = There are 6 weeks of lent prior to EASTER
666 = 6th letter of the aplhabet is F = FRIDAY = Friday 13th = JESUS
666 = Revelations ,The Father- 6th Seal
Son - 6th Trumpet
Holy spirit- 6th Bowl
666= Revelation 13.5 "The beast was allowed to make proud claims which were insulting to God
and it was permitted to have authority for Forty two months" = 42 months = 3.5 years,
Jesus started to preach at the age of 30 and was crucified at the age of 33 and half years
= 3.5 years = 42 months

666= The second book of Esdras , the Fifth Vision of the EAGLE-
Most scholars date the the Eagle Vision during 69- 96 AD.
" the second night Ihad a dream. I saw an eagle coming up out of the sea.
It had twelve wings and three heads. All three heads was a sleep,
even the middle one, which was larger then the other two"
= EAGLE = JESUS AS SATAN



666= Revelation 13.2 " the beast looked like leopard, with feet like a bears feet
and a mouth like a lions mouth"
In Heraldry the beast is used as a symbol of victory over the beast, who is JESUS.
Flag of England and many other Countries use the symbol of the beast,
while everyone thinks it's Lion.
Also in Heraldry the symbol of a castle with 3 towers also means 666.
In fact nearly all of symbols used in Heraldry is based on the revelation and used as a
symbol of defeat against Satan who is JESUS.

Once again I will mention that SATAN in Hebrew means OPPONENT,
Jesus was SATAN, the opponent to the leaders that crucified him,
and they are the leaders who wrote the Revelation's against him.

reply to post by MrCobb

Consider the nature of the book Revelation.
This is a Christian book.
It is focussing on the figure of Christ,who dominates the first and last chapters and keeps popping up in between.
It focusses on the death and resurrection of Christ as the power that drives the salvation narrative and brings about the downfall of the persecutors (this comes out in ch1, ch5, ch12).
It is addressed to the Christian community, encouraging them to stand firm against those who are trying to break down their faith in God and his Christ.
Now, that kind of book is hardly going to identify Christianity as the enemy, which is the message in your linked thread.
That won't be what it means.

If you want to identify Christianity as your enemy, that is your privilege. But trying to read that message into a Christian book is just non-rational and perverse.

Yoyr're right about one thing, though. When a thread this long is bumped, all that happens is that the Original Post becomes visible to another batch of interested readers, and that's the message that gets propagated further.