Notice the title of the thread:

Migrants sell up and flee Arizona ahead of crackdown

Notice the word "migrants" - it doesn't even mention "illegal immigrants" - to me that's just more proof that the MSM are on the side of the liberal left and the "open borders" crowd. Bush should have secured the borders after 9/11...that the borders are still so porous is BS.

The Feds won't secure the border because it is in direct conflict with Agenda 21.

End national soverignty, erase the borders, bring about NAU . . . it's in this governments best interest to remain lax and let the people fight it out. What better way to bring about a catalyst for open borders?

To get this thread back on topic though . . .

I think, as an AZ resident, that the scenario in the OP is not something indicative to the general population. The media will highlight a few stories and make it seem as if there is a mass exodus going on . . . the reality is much different. While there may be some to do this, it's definitely the exception to the rule.

first of all there have been cases of Canadians being deported. if you are a Canadian citizen and you get arrested for drunk driving or some other non-violent crime you will be deported.
second to play the race card is way out of line because this law is already a federal law and has been for a long time AZ is just reinforcing it. and to show a vid clip of some skin head is crazy they have people like that all over the US, Canada, and Europe.
third, you so loudly diss-miss the shadow government theory but you make statements like white mans propaganda. something isn't adding up.



O ya Good job AZ!!!!!

The article mentions migrants not illegal aliens or anything it mentions migrants, as in people who migrate from somewhere else to come here to work, whether they are illegal or not this law will also affect legal migrants who are in AZ.

But this racial division is exactly what the authors of this bill wanted, Bill Pearce has white supremacist tendencies, that is a fact. Arizona is also becoming a hot bed for Neo-Nazi groups since this law was passed.

This is what happens when you elect "ultra-conservative" right wing wackos into office.

But the thing that really puzzles me the most is how blindly some of you who supposedly "deny ignorance" support this law. Instead of focusing the anger on the nonsensical economic policies that the Government passes, you all are being distracted and made to believe that the real cause of this whole mess are undocumented immigrants.

I laugh because if you look the real argument to this law is it supports the Real ID act.
It states all info shared with homeland security
as to if you are illegal or not.
AZ agrees with a law to work with feds share all info in a database.
And the feds that get their real ID act started by AZ want to sue us?
But everyone always says oh, its the poor immigrants.
So as a AZ resident should I be more worried about the database part or the
people that are here illegally?
It is always said you have nothing to worry about unless you have something to hide.
So what is the Fed and the Illegals trying to hide since they are suing us?

Si se pueda - Yes we can and yes we did and yes we will

I stopped flying the American flag, now I fly the ARIZONA COLORS

Scottsdale, Az

you know to make the claim that we are blindly being led is funny because to us you are being blindly led by radical anti America lefties.

why is it a bad thing to stop some one that is committing a crime and demand there papers. it doesn't mean there going to just stop any random person walking down the street.

AZ doesn't have any more skin head groups then it did before this started, its just that now there is a reason for the media to look at them.

it seems that once aging white people are being blamed, you do know that there are other races that not only support this bill but helped bring about its creation.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by swine flue]

I think those of us that live in AZ
enjoy pushing back at the fed a little.

So are we going to give Amnesty to this group of people that have done something illegal also?

According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS): "In 2008, over 7.3 million people were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole at year-end — 3.2% of all U.S. adult residents or 1 in every 31 adults."

Oh those poor criminals in jail that did something illegal,
all they wanted was a better life!

Amnesty for all because we do not want to be Racist!
If one crime is acceptable then does not all crime become acceptable?

If it were just 'migrants' they should have nothing to be concerned about.
If they were IllEgal immigrants.....Understood.
Yes, common sense and logic does wonders for one's perception; understanding.

The way the OP titled this thread made myself wonder if this was just another false flag style psyop to manipulate and deceive the public.

This just happened to myself the other night. I just happended to have posted on ats just after returning from a awesome party. At the party I had lil too much to drink though had a real goood time.

Anyhow, I posted unlike myself postaware; lol

Oh, I'll read the article now.
Not sure if I'll reply cause I might be on spot.
Might not.
It's all about one's 'awareness'.

Folk seem to be coming on just on time.
You'll see soon enough.
The Truth knows no folly and has nothing to hide.
The healthiest folks I know both physically and mentally are the most honest 'folks' around.

They do not participate in folkland, though they like to watch, for their own good of course, and that of their neighbor.

I have a good idea.
Hey folks, how about we pay 'real' close attention to anything that may be a psyop (mind altering manipulation, deception) for the benefit of.....another.

Imagine if 'you' worked for a psyop operation. For one thing it would be difficult to find enough suitable employees for the following reasons: you would have to be able to trust them, watch them, control them, threaten them. Hey, wait a minute, they sound like slaves themselves.

Or, it could be my common sense.
So be it.
To each his own.
I'll accept my own judgement as it appears to be fertilized with sound intuition, mixed with too much logic and just enough reason for it to be So.

Oh, I enjoy to debate since I always speak the truth or nothing at all.
One is free to disprove this anytime they like.
I'm always looking for new ways to improve myself.

Careful with the labeling of folks out there. Folks cannot be labled, only diagnosed for 'who' they are. Psyops folks love to throw labels on folks to dismiss them. Real psyop folks would not apply for the job. THEY DONT NEED TO. I don't usually use caps, just wanted to grab attention to this point in the thread.

To date, I'm the only ''honest" psyop fellow around.
I truly know of none other.
YOU?
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Hey, want a good laugh; imagine a bunch of psyop folks applying for a job at the same time, in the same room, being watched by fellow psyops all psyoping on each other. They do it for a living, therefor it comes second nature. Wow, I wouldn't want to work in that atmosphere.

This is why if fails every time in the end.
One cannot hide from the truth. It 'finds' you in one way or another. Usually it's the conscience, then the soul, then the health (both mental and physical) etc. I bear witness to it.....daily.

So be it though at the cost of so much where the stakes are so high?
Yes, know one has to fear telling the truth.
When the public understands this, they will learn to band together, trust each other once again, help another once again and perhaps just.....live in peace. There were many civilizations before yours of which got by with no weapons at all. All sharp tools were used for processing meats and wood.

One is free to change their perspective as soon as they like.
It really is in their better interest.
Many choose not to out of fear.
True fear arises when one gets caught up in their own web of lies. Lies themselves could be seen as little slices off one's soul as well as collective souls since the public itself has been 'subject' to it.

To Live a lie is worse than to never live at all.
It has 'unexpected' consequences for unexpected victims or victims? Both apply.

We can only mimic the Creator.
The creator works in mysterious and creative ways.
I'm looking forward to it.
Love/Watch out folks.

It is your choice.
We all have a choice.

Don't worry, I don't talk this way in public except to folks I know very well. You see, they have learned to trust me. To date, I have still never intentionally hurt another, unless of course for self defense or defense of 'another's'.

Love out.
The point is, you CAN do it too.
It works.
Everything else fails, by design; a no good one I might add.

This makes Sense.
Or not.
The difference is as an independent thinker, I hold no loyalties to any man though do notice prejudices of others and choose to navigate magnetically.....away from those folks. You can do this to if you learn to listen to the -signals+ around you. They really do work.

Just makes sure you know where they are coming from.
If they don't jibe with your intuition, common sense, logic, reason, intellect then they probably apply at all.

I believe most have been told what to think by the mass media television. Now this would make sense since they are all corportate owned and owned by the same folks who choose which politicians you have to choose from since they own both sides (alex jones covers this well).

He's not perfect, though prrrdy accurate.
"HNOwdy' folks.


[edit on 25-7-2010 by Perseus Apex]

you know if we go to any other country we have to carry papers with us to prove who we are, passport or work visa. so why is it a big deal here?