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US has plans to bring down Europe

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posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire
reply to post by antonia
 


From what Ive read in other threads, I thought Europe was already dependent on the USA's protection...


Oh really, and what 'protection' would that be then?

I look forward to your reply!




posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
So i fail to see the drama.


It would seem you also fail to see the question. "How could/would Iran/Islam achieve this?"


US got lots of financial interests in EU, taking down EU would mean sinking US economy as well. I can see how China would benefit from it - but US or Russia would be insane to do that. And by the way - if you think that EU,Russia or China do not have huge corporations interested in making money and gaining power - you are dead wrong.


Did I say that? No I don't think so. Once again - read the question.


As for usual crap (zionists,bankers, jews,zion and ctr) taking over the world - sorry but it is getting pretty old. Nazis used that 80 years ago and they surely were good guys...


Unfortunately (since I already am aware of your leanings) your defence of the Zionist element is not borne out in real terms. The statement has nothing to do with the Nazis and your mention of them is the typical knee jerk reaction of the Jewish/Israeli population when they think they are being threatened. Look at the facts - virtually all large banks are ultimately controlled by Jewish people who are for the most part Zionists. Pulling the Nazi card does not change that fact.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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Interesting post, but one item is not quite on the mark.

I think you need to realize linux is a totally free OS made by
Linux Torvalds of Norway.

The US companies that deal in linux are several.

But the core OS is open source and free.

Sun is dying a slow and painful death.

Linux is the Co-op OS, it is not perfect, it needs work, but
it is better than the billion dollar bloatware coming out
of redmond.

US companies in china are several, the biggest is likely walmart.

The warehouses that store material to be loaded on the 130+
COSCO container ships alone are much larger than a sports
stadium.

GM has built a plant in India and Russia, and China.

www.financialexpress.com...

Its not that GM didn't need workers, they just didn't want US workers.

Question is, how is Iran/Islam going to stop that?

Well they have done really well.

First you make sure the US funnels 100's of billions of dollars to
Islamic nations for oil even though the US has known for years
how to use vertical hydroponics to grow oil via algae.

Then they setup proxy wars around the world and back channel
money to ppl sympathetic to their cause.

Then you do like they did in Europe and simply out breed any
other religion.



They are setting up Sharia Law in the UK right now.

news.bbc.co.uk...

The foothold here in the US is in the northern states.

en.wikipedia.org...

Black Liberation Theology has made clear its aims.

This along with the Aztlan crowd will be part of the new 2nd
civil war here int he US, now it is much like the cold war
but that will shift over time.


[edit on 25-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:43 PM
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Originally posted by The Wave
reply to post by ShadowAngel85
 


Because shadowangel the US is no better - and in fact is a hypcrite by pretending to be be a free nation. It is not.

Peace!


No nation is truly free.

There are costs to having a large scale organized, defended society.

A military or provision for one is in most nations of the world.

They are not free or even cheap.

A national highway system even if it is corrupt as hell is not free.

The ppl are suppose to have a say and have a vote, but often
the politicians of late have not been voting the way the ppl
they represent want them too.

They are bought and paid for by lobbyists or fear mongered into
voting the way money and power manipulators want them too.

The 1st US bailout was a prime example of crony capitalism.

That is why it is part of my signature.

Here in the US thou in the rural areas you will find this country
having more freedoms than most other nations.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:01 PM
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It would seem you also fail to see the question. "How could/would Iran/Islam achieve this?"

So far this is not about achieving it, it is an attempt to gather as much support as they can using the same old cheap propaganda.



Look at the facts - virtually all large banks are ultimately controlled by Jewish people who are for the most part Zionists.

Example of cheap old propaganda.
Ten largest banks in the world according to this site:
finance.mapsofworld.com...
1) The Royal Bank of Scotland Group - owned by British state (84%).
2) Deutsche Bank - could not find who owners are, CEO is Josef Ackermann - and it sounds Jewish.
3) Barclays - public shares holders. Biggest shareholder (6%) is firm from Zionist Qatar emirate.

4) BNP Paribas. Largest shareholder - France government.
5) Credit Agricole - it is too complex, do not know who owns what here but CEO is not Jewish.
6) UBS AG - largest shareholder is government of Singapore group.
7) Largest shareholder is State Street Corporation , that also got part of Deutshce bank. Do not know who is behind it.
However out of top 7 (got too tired to do the rest) 4 are certainly not Jewish, 1 is highly uncertain, one possible and one needs to be more researched.
So by using same rubbish "facts" that everybody "knows", because if one repeats lie often enough it sticks around, they try to get as many people as possible.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
reply to post by PuterMan
 

I think you need to realize linux is a totally free OS made by
Linux Torvalds of Norway.


Yes I was aware of that but I sometimes wonder how long it will survive once the PTB get going.

Thanks for your post, very interesting and some good links.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:56 PM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
reply to post by PuterMan
 



It would seem you also fail to see the question. "How could/would Iran/Islam achieve this?"

So far this is not about achieving it, it is an attempt to gather as much support as they can using the same old cheap propaganda.

Why don't you stop twisting things? Did I say I was looking for support on how they could achieve this? No, I did not, and neither as far as I am aware did the Iranians say they were looking for support. As usual you and your kind are hell bent on playing the 'poor us' card and blind to any form of reasonable discussion on any subject that you feel touches a nerve.




Look at the facts - virtually all large banks are ultimately controlled by Jewish people who are for the most part Zionists.

Example of cheap old propaganda.
Ten largest banks in the world according to this site:
......
So by using same rubbish "facts" that everybody "knows", because if one repeats lie often enough it sticks around, they try to get as many people as possible.


And please do not bring your ignorance here. We are not talking about High Street (Retail) Banks but about the institutions such as Rothschilds, Goldman Sachs etc - the investment and merchant banks. But of course you would chose to ignore those since you also know for a fact that they are Jewish.

If you wish to make this a slanging match about Zionism then I can assure I have a counter for every 'tired old argument' that you can bring up in defence of the Zionists and their usury which has bled countless numbers dry and is still the bane of the civilised world. Agreed the Zionists are not the only ones as Islam also forbids usury between Muslims, but again since the two religions are from the same root this is understandable.

I don't have a problem with Israel, but I do have a problem with the blind ignorant arrogance so often displayed by the certain Jews when discussions of this nature arise. It's a fact, a substantial portion of the investment banking business is owned by Jewish people who are often Zionists. Get over it. The high street banks are irrelevant.

[edit on 25/7/2010 by PuterMan]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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Sorry but in the end all these large corporations and their subsidieries are controlled one way or another by a small select group of international banking families who are at the top of the power pyramid of the world. And unfortunately they are Jewish by religion. They are not however, decendent from the original 12 tribes of Israel no matter what they would like you to believe. They are Ashekenazi Jews, who are decndants of the Khazars who followed their king in CENTRAL EUROPE (from Turkey) and converted to Judaism somewhere around the 10th century..



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by PuterMan

Originally posted by buddhistpunk
COMPLETE UTTER BOLLOCKS.


Your précis of the situation is direct and to the point, but leaves a little to be desired by way of comprehensibility. It is a little unclear from your lengthy one line response as to whether you are in disagreement with the Iranian commanders point of view or my analysis of same.

It could of course be that your statement was actually an instruction since it was missing a conjunction. Perhaps you could enlighten us?

Ok then the idea that the US has plans to bring down europe is COMPLETE UTTER BOLLOCKS you nobhead.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:45 PM
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Correct but not fully correct. The Sephardic Jews also spread around Europe when they were kicked out of Spain and now comprise some 25% of the Israeli population.

1930 ................... 10% of world Jewry
1990 ................... 25% of world Jewry, 60% of Israel's population

Source



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by buddhistpunk
Ok then the idea that the US has plans to bring down europe is COMPLETE UTTER BOLLOCKS you nobhead.


Wonderful! At least I know what you were saying now


~knobhead (not nobhead!
)

Edit for the usual grammar/spelling errors!!

[edit on 25/7/2010 by PuterMan]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 05:58 PM
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here is the funny thing,. Chins is a puppet for the US,..
China actually is run with american leaders,. well mostly Amreican.
It is all a front



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 06:25 PM
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reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
 


Do you have some more information on this?

Sounds interesting - and the first time I have heard this said.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
 


Do you have some more information on this?

Sounds interesting - and the first time I have heard this said.


I think he is referring to a Rockefeller statement.

The one where one of that name sake called china the model society.

They and others are the man behind the curtain pulling the strings.

With the illusion of the current leadership.

Through there manipulations they have been moving this goal forward
with things like allowing the scientist as Los Alamos to be hired
even though he was under investigation as a spy.

www.nytimes.com...

Then the loral ballistic missile guidance technology for Intercontinental
Ballistic Missiles was released to china for a $400,000 campaign
contribution to Mr. Clinton.

www.fas.org...

Other things happened, some we may never now, but some of it
was done almost in the light of day so to speak.

Arrogance of power, but so far they have been right, and justice
is no where to be found.



[edit on 25-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech

Originally posted by PuterMan
reply to post by Lil Drummerboy
 


Do you have some more information on this?

Sounds interesting - and the first time I have heard this said.


I think he is referring to a Rockefeller statement.

The one where one of that name sake called china the model society.

They and others are the man behind the curtain pulling the strings.

With the illusion of the current leadership.

Through there manipulations they have been moving this goal forward
with things like allowing the scientist as Los Alamos to be hired
even though he was under investigation as a spy.

www.nytimes.com...

Then the loral ballistic missile guidance technology for Intercontinental
Ballistic Missiles was released to china for a $400,000 campaign
contribution to Mr. Clinton.

www.fas.org...

Other things happened, some we may never now, but some of it
was done almost in the light of day so to speak.

Arrogance of power, but so far they have been right, and justice
is no where to be found.



[edit on 25-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]
Yeah that would be a source,.
Funny huh,..
Sounds absolutely impossible doesn't it..
Hmmm



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 09:50 PM
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This is where it gets complicated. Iran seems to have the support (albeit limited) of China and Russia. China is of course the largest industrial producer on the planet. They use the U.S. to their own ends and while I don't think they are willing to dump the U.S., I do think they have the upperhand in the deal. Europe could go either way, but I do see them siding more with China if push came to shove. There's just too much money at stake. I think it's not really a plan to destroy Europe, but rather to force Europe back into the folds of the U.S.



That is a pretty sensible take on it, its almost like america has put to much moneys and effort in being a white collar militaristic nation...and now they have to live through what they wanted...not at all like they wanted it in actuality. And ya it seems the end game will be at Europe, which way will Europe go basically two superpowers were both can't exist to the extent that they are without the other, America and China, and one that can exist in one form or other without both, Europe. The push for a whole is slowly going on, they are all gravitating around each other slowly being pulled together, while gravitating all the all other smaller nations to them. If these are the biggest arbiters in this system they will eventually collide, and we all know how that goes its usually a boom.
But who know we will see.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by PuterMan

Originally posted by buddhistpunk
Ok then the idea that the US has plans to bring down europe is COMPLETE UTTER BOLLOCKS you nobhead.


Wonderful! At least I know what you were saying now


~knobhead (not nobhead!
)

Edit for the usual grammar/spelling errors!!

[edit on 25/7/2010 by PuterMan]

Intelligent people are funny.
You are not funny.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 06:14 PM
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You obviously dont know that NWO is- USA\Europe\Asia:=)?

The deal was made in 1951 and on that meeting all the leaders of the world:=)

think logical



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 04:13 PM
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I dont want to sound like im bashing the USA, BUT..,

Protection from the "terrorists."

Since 9/11, Americas 'HOLY CRUSADE' against terrorism has been an antagonist for the FIRST ever suicide attacks on UK soil.

Havnt you seen the film Team America?
That'll give you an idea what im on about. Its a subject that even American comidians rip into: Americas Moral obligation to 'save' us.

Really.

eee.



posted on Jul, 31 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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edit...
Double post.

[edit on 31/7/10 by Esrom Escutcheon Esquire]




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