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Bibles could be removed from hospital bedsides in Nottingham

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posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 09:06 AM
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I do agree with removing religious texts from the bedside tables, it's not a question of anti-christian, it's just a bit vulgar to be foisting a particular religion on someone when they're vulnerable.

It would be very simple to have a book shelf in a ward with a selection of reading material that can satisfy all faiths and interests - although NEVER Heat magazine, because that truly is offensive.

I can see the bible being a comfort to some and an offense to some too - I wouldn't want to comment on the grounds of hygiene, but would speculate that paper being an absorbent material would quite possibly pick up bugs (of some kind) easily.

I was in hospital about 5 years ago for just over a week and had a bible in my bedside cabinet, I asked for it to be removed and it was - no problem.




posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 09:11 AM
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Agreed, its not a case of being anti-christian, its a case of being free from religion if you choose.

Put a bible in every church, leave it from public places. the bible and it's religion should be private belief system.

Thats why those lucky Americans have the constitution and we're still technically run by the Church of England....complete separation from church and state.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 09:22 AM
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I (as an Atheist) wouldn't outlaw bibles (nor the Koran, Talmud etc) from hospital, I think hospitals should have libraries where patients can have a decent selection of reading material - I just don't think any religious text should be imposed upon someone/anyone.

From personal experience though, having had elderly relatives in hospital that are of faith - it gave them great comfort to have "their religious text of choice" at hand.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 09:34 AM
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I agree, i as an Atheist, I am not trying to outlaw any belief system, i'm not fighting opression with opression. i just want it kept away from public view of secular society, away from our children.

I have no problem with religious books residing in churches or libraries, if someone wants one, go seek one. Don't store it everywhere in public eye, scientology doesn't have that right, just as any other religion or author does not have to right to publically distribute their book into Hospitals and Hotels without paying the price.

[edit on 25/7/10 by awake_and_aware]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Hudson is right. Because the Muslims don't have to conform to the British culture they've lived in since the 70's, I suppose it's totally fine for you naive 'rebel' atheists to not think any deeper than simply 'the bibles will be taken out. Yay!' In fact I would identify myself as an atheist. I don't believe in a god, but I do believe in a sort of 'life-after-death' parallel universe reincarnation theory.

What is the motivation behind this? It seems to me, to be a very minor issue that doesn't hold any water when looked at objectively. I think Muslim organizations have purchased majority ownership of the hospital and are making a transition from bibles to the Koran.

I don't like Christianity, but right now the Muslims scare the hell out of me, not because of some imagined terrorist plot, but because of their refusal to adapt to host nation culture and cry out for the Sharia law they left behind. I'd sooner join a nation that forces it's citizens to practice Christianity, then I would live in Europe with all those emigrated Muslims.

It really sucks to be a Briton right now I'd guess.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 10:06 AM
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Appreciate your point and i agree yes it is a bad time to live in Britain, our country is being taking over because we should "respect" religious indoctrination of the future generations that we were almost out of it, the history of opression was nearly over. Now it starts again with Muslims travelling here and preaching they're out-of-date social values.

When someone's beliefs, that are founded with lack of evidence, lack of democracy, lack of reason or debate then we should oppose it.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by pointtech86
I think Muslim organizations have purchased majority ownership of the hospital and are making a transition from bibles to the Koran.


Just to state I do agree with you almost entirely and the Islamification of the UK is avery worrying thing. I would guess at some kind of ulterior motive behind removal of bibles and would be interested to see the #-storm if copies of the Koran were to be removed.

Anyway, just to address the part I quoted - Hospitals in the UK are state owned aside from a minority of private hospitals.

If you're questioning whether the state itself is owned, well...



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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I don't think there should be ANYTHING in a hospital room that cannot be sterilized from one patient to the next. There's enough infection and germs in hospitals as it is. If someone wants a bible in a hospital, they can buy one or request one from the millions of people who would be thrilled to give them one.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 10:51 AM
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I'm an atheist, and in general I have no opposition to bibles being placed in places like hospitals, prisons, hotels by the Gideons group.

As long as it doesn't cost me anything, in taxes, or inflated room prices, and no-one pressures me to read it or believe it, I don't care.

But if it's true that it's a hygiene issue, and it's not just a militant atheist pretending that in order to get them removed, then I support the removal. We have enough issues of hygiene and cleanliness in hospitals without adding this on top.

I don't like the idea of staff having to waste time cleaning these bibles. Maybe a compromise could be that Gideons will provide a clean copy once they have been used?



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 11:16 AM
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As a christian myself ...I gotta say t....the quicker they get rid of all Bibles everywhere and ban Christianity ...the better ...

its a fortold event in the Bible itself ...

....and can all my little kiddies guess what happens once its all banned???

Some one will come back !!!



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by Hudson
So no bibles, but I have to constantly be surrounded by woman in full burkas? What country am I living in? It resembles America less and less by the day.



[edit on 25-7-2010 by Hudson]

Newsflash: the United Kingdom is not in America



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by Hudson
So no bibles, but I have to constantly be surrounded by woman in full burkas? What country am I living in? It resembles America less and less by the day.



[edit on 25-7-2010 by Hudson]

Newsflash: the United Kingdom is not in America


i couldn't agree more



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Hudson
So no bibles, but I have to constantly be surrounded by woman in full burkas? What country am I living in? It resembles America less and less by the day.


Two questions from an American here.

When did the UK resemble America more and why should it in the future?

Where are all these burkas? I have Muslim friends and still have almost never seen anyone in a full burka minus 3 rare occasions.


Back on topic: Why would anyone argue this? Bibles in hospitals. A collection of moisture absorbing porous materials passed from person to person in a hospital? I do not think people understand just how dangerous hospitals actually are. It is not a place pick up cand you dropped on the floor. It is not a good place to keep religious themed petry dishes close to people trying to get healthy.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:11 PM
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Fantastic idea . If im in hospital and looking for some uplifting literature , that would be the VERY , VERY last book i'd want to see . Murder , infanticide , racism and the slaughter of pregnant women .

" Any Agathie Christies , Nurse ? , the bible is in my bed pan . "



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:28 PM
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lol i understand what your saying, the bible and god stuff freaks my girlfriend out, but me iv often thought about reading it, just to see what the crack is about, but never got round to doing it. more than likely i wont read it but the thought is there right?



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Athink
lol i understand what your saying, the bible and god stuff freaks my girlfriend out, but me iv often thought about reading it, just to see what the crack is about, but never got round to doing it. more than likely i wont read it but the thought is there right?



Its not even a decent work of fiction . It contradicts itself regularly and makes some really strange claims . Virgin births , talking snakes , people who live beyond 900 years of age and the trick that tops the lot . the son of the imaginary deity dying then suddenly being alive again . Not even in an exciting zombie-esque style way , just nailed to a bit of wood then awakens a few days later .
The biggest problem with the book is that people really do believe its all true . Yep , all of it . Their belief is , however ,a strange thing . If you mock it they become unbelievably upset , which is ironic as a huge proportion of them mock everyone else's choice of faith . I dont know how many times ive read Christians mocking Muslims because the Koran tells a tale of a boy and his dog , who fall asleep in a cave for over 300 years . Yeah , i know , delusional nonsense to me and you but the christians who believe that virgins give birth , think that story was ridiculous . The words pot and kettle spring to mind.

Avoid the bible , buy a book called The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins . I can honestly say that you will NOT regret it.

peace.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:59 AM
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Originally posted by teapotbishop

Originally posted by Athink
lol i understand what your saying, the bible and god stuff freaks my girlfriend out, but me iv often thought about reading it, just to see what the crack is about, but never got round to doing it. more than likely i wont read it but the thought is there right?



Its not even a decent work of fiction . It contradicts itself regularly and makes some really strange claims . Virgin births , talking snakes , people who live beyond 900 years of age and the trick that tops the lot . the son of the imaginary deity dying then suddenly being alive again . Not even in an exciting zombie-esque style way , just nailed to a bit of wood then awakens a few days later .
The biggest problem with the book is that people really do believe its all true . Yep , all of it . Their belief is , however ,a strange thing . If you mock it they become unbelievably upset , which is ironic as a huge proportion of them mock everyone else's choice of faith . I dont know how many times ive read Christians mocking Muslims because the Koran tells a tale of a boy and his dog , who fall asleep in a cave for over 300 years . Yeah , i know , delusional nonsense to me and you but the christians who believe that virgins give birth , think that story was ridiculous . The words pot and kettle spring to mind.

Avoid the bible , buy a book called The Blind Watchmaker by Richard Dawkins . I can honestly say that you will NOT regret it.

peace.


Right, the Bible is 110% fiction; ahh but here comes reality. Without the Bible we would know nothing of the Hittite civilization, and many things would also be unknown to us.

As per Dawkins why would anyone care to read a book written by a genetic reject? If you buy his "God Delusion" you can only come to the logical conclusion that atheist's are genetically defective, and as such why should the opinion's or thoughts of genetic defects be taken seriously?

As ultimately nothing is without purpose(even if a purpose appears counter productive, evolution is in effect a constant striving towards higher levels of efficiency), belief in something "higher" must serve a purpose. If a person is incapable of such an action it begs the question is it a genetic or psychological defect that prohibits such thought processes? And if that element of their being is defective, what else is defective?

And I just can't help but wonder what kind of long term risk's such defects may play in the total evolution of our species?

Looking at what atheist's did in the 20th century(Hitler, Stalin and Mao to name a few) perhaps all atheist's should be sterilized as they do seem to advocate mass murder at an alarming rate(look at eco-terrorist's/leftist's and their unnatural desire to "purge" society)?

See how easy it is? Remember hate calls for hate, it is a sad reality of the human ego. If you don't like it ignore it, let other people find what best suites them, as long as it doesn't interfere with society in a negative way it is tyrannical to try and force your narrow minded, and perhaps even bigoted world view down other peoples throats.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 06:07 PM
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Bigoted and narrow-minded ?

Thats a pretty wild claim from someone who has no knowledge of me .

Hitler an atheist ? You have no idea do you ? What one of Hitlers confidentes was berated for marrying a protestant and not a Catholic ? I'm not going to tell you , however if you do some research to find out , you will find out how much of an atheist the Nazi leaders were.

Then it will be worthwhile to carry on the conversation.....



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 07:03 PM
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I'm pretty sure they pay for them to be there. It's not free. You seem to be someone fighting the currents. If you don't like it, ignore it. That's a fairly simple policy for the public world. Universal love is BS. A machine does not love you. It does what it was made to do. Weather it be slice and dice your cancer, or blasting it with something. If you want love, join a love group. Hospitals are repair facilities for your body.

Not to dehumanize it, but love doesn't heal. It just makes you feel better. And if you need love to feel better, then that's kind of pathetic.

I'm being very crude though. But I don't need love to heal. I heal because a biological substance is added to my meal or a scissor cuts away something bad from my body.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 07:39 PM
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i just don't want pee on my reading material.

i think it's a bit daft having theological literature in hospital rooms anyway. if people are ill or dying they need something to make them happy, like porno rather than theological propaganda which only has the interest of making people convert on their death bed to avoid facing the flames!




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