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Change it: BP to Transocean Deepwater Disaster

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posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 06:29 AM
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I am shocked and dismayed that this is still being peddled as a BP disaster as the forum title when clearly recent event have proved otherwise ,that is, a Transocean disaster.

It is morally wrong to blame BP when it has been shown below that it is clearly the fault of Transocean.

I therefore demand it be changed to Transocean deepwater disaster..

It is prejudicial to BP that this is their fault when it is clearly the American company Transcean's fault by their own admission.


The TRANSOCEAN rig only had 7 BP employees.

79 for Transocean.

At the hearing the boss of operations of Transocean admitted the safety devices were turned of...on ALL RIGS.

you got that ?

REMEMBER THAT.


ok?

here it is from the horses mouth

Look closer to home.

It was Transocean, a American company which has evaded $2 billion tax by moving it's head office every year.
www.guardian.co.uk...

Deepwater Horizon alarms were switched off 'to help workers sleep'

Alarms and safety mechanisms on gulf disaster oil rig were disabled, chief technician at Transocean reveals.

The evidence of deliberate dilution of the rig's safety mechanisms is likely to have wide ramifications for BP and Transocean, the world's largest offshore drilling company. It switches the spotlight of blame away from BP and towards the subcontractor which took the decisions. Of the 126 crew on board the rig on 20 April, seven worked for BP and 79 for Transocean.

And here is the clincher:-


When he saw that the system had been bypassed, Williams protested to a Transocean supervisor, Mark Hay, who dismissed his concerns. Hay responded: "Damn thing been in bypass for five years. Matter of fact, the entire [Transocean] fleet runs them in bypass."

Americans should learn take to responsibility instead of blaming others and whining about it.

Now you need to apologize to BP and the British population for your own mistakes and give us our money back and charge your American company Transocean.

Americans with their self indulgent decadent life style find all the little slings and arrows of misfortune and greed discomfiting and blamed BP.



"Damn thing been in bypass for five years. Matter of fact, the entire [Transocean] fleet runs them in bypass."

DID YOU GET THAT?

Giddy up dobbin! The oil is coming home to roost courtesy of the AMERICAN company Transocean.



[edit on 25-7-2010 by nobodysavedme]




posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:04 AM
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Both are fault BP still runs the show It's there coin they call the shots BP were the one's who insistant on the way the cap was going to be handled. It was there proceedure there well.

Read the transcripts they made the risk of a gas blowout by short cutting time and materials of engeering. maybe they did not inform the crew of ther short comings in engeering so safty issues could be addressed, perhaps they felt it was on a need to know basis.
energycommerce.house.gov...



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:23 AM
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At last, someone posting in this forum with a the ability to use their brain cells, and see further than the BP bashing and that many conpanies are to blame for this incident, and most of all, all of us who want the benefits of the crude oil economy.

And yes, if we want to be true to the principles of this site, we all need to look beyond what we are told by all media sources, and look further.

BP are the prime contractor, and no matter what pressures they put on their contractors, it is the contractor's responability to operate safely and in-line with due law.

Will the name of this forum be changed? Not a change as this is a huge draw for additional hits on the web site.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:25 AM
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You DEMAND? LOL I dont think being on this website for 5 min as a newbie has any relevance to the Owners and Mods. Give me a break. BP claims responsibility and therefore the Mods /owners were appropriate in there decision to label it a BP disaster. Demand ...Ha! Are you in TV land or what?



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:32 AM
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Yea, if I was BP, and I was made to pay those HEFTY fines, and being blamed for destroying the Gulf, and I DIDNT DO IT, I would not accept the responsibility in one shape or form. I would have beenkicking, and screaming, and demanding that an investigation goes on to the real culprits of this disaster.

Not saying transocean didnt have a part in it, but BP is the ones running the show. If they werent, they wouldnt be the ones in the white house smacking the administration around making them do what they told them to do. They wouldnt have the authority to shut down beaches and other areas of the ocean from the public.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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From the beginning I don't think anyone has dismissed the fact that there were several companies with hands-on responsibility for this tragedy. BUt ultimately, legally the other companies were contracted to BP and therefore the liability rests with BP. They have recourse against their contractors, of course, and there is no doubt they will go after them. BP is certainly not singularly at fault for this mess. There is plenty of blame to go around, including (as usual) our own government based upon the failings of the MMS.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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And then there's the question of Halliburton's role in the disaster. They were responsible for cementing the pipe and yet there are serious questions surrounding Halliburton's safety record in this procedure.

Was Halliburton to blame

18 out of 39 well blowouts in the Gulf have been attributed to poor cementing work. Lawsuits against Halliburton have been raised, but I think they are equally responsible, yet the media is shying away from finger-pointing at this notorious company. I wonder why?

There have been a hand full of threads looking at the Halliburton connection, but none have gained much traction.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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Well as I am no newbie, I will demand that this forum be changed, and keeping the logo and name of BP, is buying in the lack of education that the President showed by calling the company British Petroleum, and the bashing of all things British.

And what would be so hard to change the name to "Gulf of Mexico Oil disaster" and take away the emotion that is destroying any real debate on this web site about this incident.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:46 AM
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You raise a valid point by removing emotion and engaging in real non-sensationalistic discussion. There are plenty of those threads doing the rounds, even one that has claimed Obama told world leaders that possibly tens of millions might die within a year.

Remove agendas and engage in constructive dialogue.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by mr20121221
Both are fault BP still runs the show It's there coin they call the shots BP were the one's who insistant on the way the cap was going to be handled. It was there proceedure there well.

Read the transcripts they made the risk of a gas blowout by short cutting time and materials of engeering. maybe they did not inform the crew of ther short comings in engeering so safty issues could be addressed, perhaps they felt it was on a need to know basis.
energycommerce.house.gov...


No ,you are totally wrong.


So if an American soldier in Iraq goes and kills 10 Iraqi kids because he is bored, it is the fault of Congress and the Presdient?

Did you even read the article at:-

www.guardian.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Freedom ERP
reply to post by dntwastetime
 


Well as I am no newbie, I will demand that this forum be changed, and keeping the logo and name of BP, is buying in the lack of education that the President showed by calling the company British Petroleum, and the bashing of all things British.

And what would be so hard to change the name to "Gulf of Mexico Oil disaster" and take away the emotion that is destroying any real debate on this web site about this incident.


When did the POTUS 'bash all things British'.

Methinks you are a bit irrational in your critique.

BP is to blame. The MMS is to blame. Transocean is to blame. Halliburton is probably complicit, as well.

Why are you so bothered by people blaming BP?? Your dad work for them? :-)



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 11:24 AM
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"It is morally wrong to blame BP when it has been shown below that it is clearly the fault of Transocean."
 

Then why did the C.E.O. of B.P. opologize on T.V. for this spill? I wouldn't oplogize for something I didn't do. Would you?



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by nobodysavedme
 

"It is morally wrong to blame BP when it has been shown below that it is clearly the fault of Transocean."
 

Then why did the C.E.O. of B.P. opologize on T.V. for this spill? I wouldn't oplogize for something I didn't do. Would you?



The C.E.O in my opinion is weak , ineffectual and spineless and easily harassed by the corporate media in America.

Just imagine if I had been in that hearing.

I would have ripped Congress to shreds.

They would have been running out of the doors by the time I finished with these hypocrits.These crooks , these corporate criminals in suits.

I would have taken a list of the all Congress men who had taken political bribes ,er , donations to relax rules and regulations with regard to offshore drilling and I would thrown it in their faces.

And I would be suing Transocean , Halliburton and all the companies who also bribed senators to relax rules and regulation for the loss to BP of all the oil and the oil well and associated profits from that loss.

I would sue Transocean for their disabling of all the safety devices.

I would be suing America and all the American companies involved for all the losses BP has suffered.

I would drag them all through the courts for decades.

Wake up BP.

Stop being lily livered and stand up to these corporate crooks and corporate bullies.

We owe them nothing.We demand they pay BP for all the losses.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:08 PM
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So why the President called the company British Petroleum so many times? The company has been called BP for years so this was clearly an attempt to associate the incident in GoM with Britain.

And it begs the question as to why the President was so badly informed, or was this some thing more?

I am quite happy for BP to accept the blame that is due to them as the prime contractor but I have not heard the President go beyond blaming BP, and list the rest of the companies.

And as many people have since found out, part of their retirement income is based on the dividends paid by BP, a global company, and the President, who gets a decent pension and no doubt will enjoy the speaker circuit, does not have to worry about how he will survive when the American people decide he has failed them as president.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:12 PM
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As the prime contractor, BP had to accept the blame at the top level, and one can question why the CEO made this decision. Would the pressure for the office of the President has anything to do with it?

Is this what you would expect the President to spend his time on, when there are American military paying with their lifes aboard.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:12 PM
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Perhaps because the strategy is to disassociate America from Europe and cement (no pun intended) a relationship with the east. If I was president or prime minister, I would be looking to China and India to help bolster the economy.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:19 PM
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I trust the OP will allow this slight move off topic as it is an interesting point that you raise.

Lets just hope that the President is better informed of this potential strategy that he was on his strategy to deal with the oil leak in GoM.

I guess with China buying so much of the US debt, the President has no choice but to look to the East as to coin the phase "they own his ass"



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:32 PM
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It is quite a move from the topic and probably deserves a thread of its own, but I gotta give it to you... the east does own his ass.

We should probably create another thread about this, but thought it important to raise the question.

P.S. China owns the UK's ass too!



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 03:55 PM
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reply to post by nobodysavedme
 


I demand.
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Sorry,but you demand it be changed. I am wondering if your having any luck with that? You know not everybody thinks BP is the only company to blame, but you have to understand BP is the ringmaster in this circus. They seem to be the ones that are telling everyone what to do and it is either there way or the highway. Good luck with trying to get your demand answered. BP is the company that would have profited off the oil coming from that well and who knows they still might. Good luck with your demands.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:09 PM
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Being diplomatic here, I think the OP really wants to bring about discussion about the other complicit parties. Halliburton for one. These guys profit after war and disaster, so why isn't ATS picking apart this company?




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