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Tennessee Republican Floats Secession Threat

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posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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I think one thing that people will conclude when they read it (The Pentagon Papers); is that they have not asked enough, not expected enough, not demanded enough in the way of boldest, in the way of responsibility from their public servants. Make that known and i think our constitution will continue to function better than it has in the past. Daniel Ellsberg


We are a blind nation. The comments in all MSM articles prove that.

This is why You Tube will be the NSA owned, google, solution for media in the future. Google was always the trojan horse.

On topic, people attack the righteous everyday in the is country. "they truth will set you free" and freedom itself is the highest security threat to the PTB.

[edit on 24-7-2010 by zroth]




posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 12:15 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


I am afraid that I have to disagree with you. All power is in the hands of the People. The government that exists (in whatever fashion) can only do so by the consent of the People.

However the argument can be made that the apathy (genuine or by conditioning and poor education) of the People to be outspoken and organized to effect a change is accepted by the elected to be consent to be ruled in the fashion that the proclaim that they have the power.

I am torn as to which my greater fantasy come true would be in dealing with one of these "I am the Law" malcontents: Call them out by stepping on stage and pointing out their fallacy or just repeatedly kicking them in the seat of the pants while quoting the Preamble. Either way, I would be arrested for causing "a disturbance" but the reality is I would have embarrassed a self-proclaimed fool. Which is unfortunately illegal on the grounds that other may become educated or dare I say, empowered.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Lostinthedarkness
How we forget the past !

Once upon a time The United states was 13 sovereign countries . Much how the European Union is today. The federal part of the government was for mutual protection not to be the be all end all of all laws and source of money .

Since the civil war the cope and jurisdiction of the Federal Government has increased ,

What we are seeing is not traitors wanting to secede. We are seeing a symptom of a over reaching Federal bureaucracy that is slowly angering a greater and greater part of the US population .

This isnt Obama this isnt Bush this is the cumulative effects of self serving Presidents and politicians over the last 100 years but the most damage has happened in the last 10 years though .


Your correct in what you stated. The only thing that has really changed, is that there are now 50 states, and with that growth, we now have a government who believes they are the ultimate ruling authority above state authority. During this growth, we have complacently allowed our states authority to be slowly taken away, all because of being to wrapped up in our all to comfortable little worlds and realities. And what has it gotten us? An all controlling government, who is even to big to watchdog itself.

It`s never to late to take it back. And I do believe given enough people wake up to that fact, the government will have some big explaining to do to the people and the states they live in.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 01:01 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain
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When someone issues a threat they are not prepared and do not even actually intend to follow through...I seriously question their credibility, confidence and mental stability.


I seriously question anyone who believes this bloated government should have the power that it does.


To any state that wishes to secede - I think we should let them go.

Allow them to form their own entity within our boarders.

Then take them by force and make them work for low wages in manufacturing jobs to produce cheap American goods.


You mean run things like they did in the early part of the 20th century? Yeah, nothing like taking a step backward in evolution is there?



Why do they imagine the US, which they left, should treat them differently than we do any other country?


Yep, nothing like wanting them to stick their nose in everyones business, right?



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posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Nosred


We need more politicians like this. I'd vote for this guy just because he thinks the government should follow the constitution.

The thing that surprised me though were the comments people had made below the article. One person suggested hanging him as a traitor.

politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


I live in Tennessee. Wamp is a poser. He has a record of voting along with the Obama agenda. The REAL candidate is Ron Ramsey. Not only does he support nullification of federal government oppression, he supports open carry of fire arms for citizens,and a similar immigration bill as Arizona,with stiff penalities for those that hire illegal aliens.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 01:23 PM
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It would be a grand day to take the warmongers ( see Military Industrial Complex )
The Torturers, and Those that TEACH the techniques of torture (google SOAWATCH.org)
and the corrupt financial Empire crooks, and put THEM into Gitmo.

We could hang the Federal Reserve board chairman and the bankers upside down, in the sun, until the money fell out...

The Feds are a bunch of crooks, institutionalized criminality...government of the money, by the money and for the money....I believe we are on the road the 4th Reich, or as it is promoted the "new world Odor" and the 4th Reich at this time are the crooks in Federal Government in the US.

After the Nazis invaded Poland, those "guvernment" "officials" who practiced Torture for the 3rd Reich were executed by selfless members of the Polish Resistance.

Hitlers intelligence chief Reinhart Ghelen (sorry about spelling) told his network chiefs to study the methods used by the Polish Resistance...

Perhaps it is time to study these things again.

At this time the FEC has brought spurious charges against Cong Ron Paul... to try to bankrupt his office... and hopefully shut down his information network, I believe we are running out of time before the roundup of supposed "domestic terrorists" occurs.. and silence reigns supreme, and we all start to nod our heads to big brother in unison.

Secession does NOT have to occur... the mere perceived threat of secession.... scares the #### out of the crooks in DC.


CHAPTER SIX - TOTALITARIA AND ITS DICTATORSHIP

There actually exists such a thing as a technique of mass brainwashing. This technique can take root in a country if an inquisitor is strong and shrewd enough. He can make most of us his victims, albeit temporarily.

What in the structure of society has made man so vulnerable to these mass manipulations of the mind? This is a problem with tremendous implications, just as brainwashing is.

In recent years we have grown more and more aware of human interdependence with all its difficulties and complications. I am aware of the fact that investigation of the subject of mental coercion and thought control becomes less pleasant as time goes on.

This is so because it may become more of a threat to us here and now, and our concern for China and Korea must yield to the more immediate needs at our own door. Can totalitarian tendencies take over here, and what social symptoms may lead to such phenomena? Stern reality confronts us with the universal mental battle between thought control (and its corollaries) and our standards of decency, personal strength, personal ideas, and a personal conscience with autonomy and dignity.

Future social scientists will be better able to describe the causes of the advent of totalitarian thinking and acting in man. We know that after wars and revolutions this mental deterioration more easily finds an opportunity to develop, helped by special psychopathic personalities who flourish on man's misery and confusion. It is also true that the next generation spontaneously begins to corect the misdeeds of the previous one because the ruthless system has become too threatening to them.

My task, however, is to describe some symptoms of the totalitarian process (which implies deterioration of thinking and acting) as I have observed them in our own epoch, keeping in mind that the system is one of the most violent distortions of man's consistent mental growth. No brainwashing is possible without totalitarian thinking.

The tragic facts of political experiences in our age make it all too clear that applied psychological technique can brainwash entire nations and reduce their citizens to a kind of mindless robotism which becomes for them a normal way of living. Perhaps we can best understand how this frightening thing comes about by examining a mythical country, which, for the sake of convenience, we shall call Totalitaria.
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posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:26 PM
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Not that I don't appreciate what he's saying, however, ultimately it's just howling at the moon.

Tennessee is landlocked for 1,000+ miles in every direction by the United States. It is not capable of sustaining itself as an independent nation.

Texas could.

Tennessee can not.

The International Convention on the Law of the Sea as it applies to landlocked nations would require the U.S. to grant an independent Tennessee two "access corridors" - 2-lane, improved highways going from Tennessee to a major U.S. sea port, each free of customs inspections or duties, plus two autonomous air corridors over US territory to international air space, however, on a very practical level none of that would matter. Tennessee would quickly spiral into depths of poverty.

There are 17 US states that are 100% landlocked by the U.S. These could not survive as independent nations. (Landlocked states that share a border with Canada or Mexico may be a different story.) Alaska could also not survive as an independent nation due to their population vs. land mass.

The secession threat can be realistic if leveled by 32 states. The other 18 states, however, can boast and little else.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 03:20 PM
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It is cheaper and more expedient to wage war against politicians and power brokers than to rebel against the most powerful military force the world has ever known. It is more intelligent to remove the problem than to scrap the machine. Let us seek to roll back these unconstitutional laws to where they are in compliance. We the people.....rather than We the rich politicians.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by Nosred
We need more politicians like this. I'd vote for this guy just because he thinks the government should follow the constitution.


Hell yes!

Vermont has had a growing secessionist movement for years now. California, Texas, Tennessee, Virginia, Colorado, Montana, and several other states have also been increasingly passing laws that override the federal government lately, typically in regards to firearms and pot.

This isn't a "North vs South" or "East vs West" thing either. It's the people against the feds. States taking back their own sovereignty is only one important aspect of this. People need to take responsibility with local affairs too whenever they are able, to enforce the Constitution and stop the fascist police state.


The thing that surprised me though were the comments people had made below the article. One person suggested hanging him as a traitor.


Of course. We were all "damned rebels" to the federal yaknkees during the last Civil War too.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 05:49 PM
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While this may theoretically be true (and also in the hands of the states, as I mentioned), the people can't seem to organize enough to do anything about it. Still too divided to agree on that they should do something, never mind how.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 05:57 PM
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Instead of succession we need to FIRE them divide and conquer like they do to us. Get rid of the long time incumbents this voting round and the rest the next.

Separate the beast from its food cut off the hand of the one who feeds the beast . Remove from office those who vote for a bigger and bigger government . Vote out those who continually feed the beast with more and more money who want more and more government and more and more power.

This is the ONLY WAY to avoid a rocky future where these succession talk becomes a reality instead of a talking point to rile people up .



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 05:59 PM
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The only way to "fire" them is to vote out incumbents AS we get take some action at the state level to get the SCOTUS ruling on term limits overturned. I don't see another plan, do you?



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 06:14 PM
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I really don't get the issue in the first place, beyond "politics as usual". I am both a firm believer in state rights AND having a health-care system of some form being in place. The whole thing should have been left up to individual states in the first place, but I suspect the same people yelling "COMMUNIST" at the top of their lungs at anyone pro public-option would have complained about that as well.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 06:28 PM
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Hes running for governor and wants to seem like hes going to fight for Tennessee. What he doesn't mention on his ads is his family owns pilot oil.The same pilot oil that was charged and convicted of price gouging in Tennessee and Kentucky after hurricane Catrina hit the gulf. Our gas prices skyrocketed in a fake scheme to make money.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 09:14 PM
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And it seems that our friend has already recanted his foolish statements.



Rep. Zack Wamp (R-Tenn.) is backing away from earlier remarks suggesting that states could secede over objections to federal policies.


Source

So much for big talk.


To those who honestly believe this has nothing to do with partisan politics:

Has a single democrat called out for secession since Obama took office?



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by 4nsicphd
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Oh please leave. And take Texas and Arizona with you. And give back the TVA and Oak Ridge National Lab.


It's interesting how the states who usually whine about Central Government are the biggest welfare recipients.

They stick out their hands and beg for subsidies but then scream about secession.

www.epluribusunumblog.com...



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 09:33 PM
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It's not very interesting at all.

The "extra money" isn't being used to buy ice cream and porn for the residents of those states.

The reason these states "get more money" is because they are agriculture producers receiving federal farm subsidies to guarantee a price floor on crops for the benefit of agri-business concerns (i.e. Archer-Daniels-Midland, Tyson Foods, etc.). The removal of those funds would have little to no negative impact - in fact, more likely, a positive impact - on the people of those states.

There would be a very real impact felt on the brokerages and commodities traders in New York, however.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by Ko-Dan Armada
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It's not very interesting at all.

The "extra money" isn't being used to buy ice cream and porn for the residents of those states.

The reason these states "get more money" is because they are agriculture producers receiving federal farm subsidies to guarantee a price floor on crops for the benefit of agri-business concerns (i.e. Archer-Daniels-Midland, Tyson Foods, etc.). The removal of those funds would have little to no negative impact - in fact, more likely, a positive impact - on the people of those states.

There would be a very real impact felt on the brokerages and commodities traders in New York, however.


That isn't true since there are plenty of "blue" states who are heavy Ag producers.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 10:12 PM
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That isn't true since there are plenty of "blue" states who are heavy Ag producers.



This is a logical fallacy, specifically cum hoc ergo propter hoc.

Because there are "blue states" that are heavy AG producers does not follow that all AG producers receive equal subsidies. The specific list of states your link rattled off are among the largest recipients of Agriculture Adjustment Act, and related, funding.

In other words:

X = Y does not mean L = Y



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 10:20 PM
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ederal funding, FY 2006, dollars per person
All Federal funds 7,990 8,125 8,089
(rural) (urban) (total)
Federal funding by purpose
Agriculture and natural resources 126 28 54
Community resources 510 691 642
Defense and space 486 591 563
Human resources 169 158 161
Income security 6,143 4,787 5,151
National functions 555 1,871 1,518

Federal funding by type of payments (object codes)
Grants 1,565 1,236 1,324
Direct loans 46 -158 -103
Guaranteed/insured loans 255 483 422
Retirement/disability payments 3,072 2,579 2,711
Other direct payments to
individuals 1,931 1,483 1,603
Direct payments, not to
individuals 125 63 80
Procurement contracts 686 1,740 1,457
Salaries and wages 309 700 595

www.ers.usda.gov...

This data is from 2006, but as you can see AQ funds are not the cause of high federal funding for the state. Tenncare happens to be one of the bigger ones.



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