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posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by Point of No Return
 


They're really not that far apart.



It does suggest a fairly well traveled flight corridor.




[edit on 24/7/10 by Chadwickus]



Just............WOW!




May I have some of whatever you're on? I would love to escape reality once in a while too!

You have GOT to be either: joking, high, delusional or a chemtrail pilot. Please, pick one so we'll know. The suspense is killing me.


On second thought, don't bother. I am done with you. I rather watch paint dry then to banter with you.




posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 10:45 AM
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You are actually not replying to me.



 

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[edit on Sun Jul 25 2010 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by One Moment
 


No....more confusion on your part!!!

Chaff is something else entirely...and you will NOT see it with the naked eye!!!!


I am saying this is what THEY'RE saying it is. I have no way of knowing what's being sprayed or whether I can see 'chaff' or not. "Chaff" is a brand new word in my world.

My point is, the MSM is acknowledging these blatant and obvious 'exhaust' in our skies!!
Now whether they're telling us the truth is a whole other thread! I personally have no reason to think they're anymore forthcoming with this than they are with any other controversial subject so, friggin chill buddy!!!!



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 10:57 AM
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I can help...

Go to this site:

skyvector.com...

When it opens you will see the VFR navigational chart information for the Los Angeles, California region.

Move the display to Phoenix, Arizona by typing in 'KPHX' to the upper left corner box, near the words "Flight Plan". Click "Go"


NOW you have the VFR Sectional chart for Phoenix. Along the top are tabs...click "Enroute H-4" This is 'H' for 'High', and it shows the high-altitude IFR charts depicting the Jet Airways...this is what airplanes operating above 18,000 MSL use for reference, to navigate.

All of the black lines are labeled and numbered. Those are "Airways" (The blue ones are too, but they're a newer concept being introduced...called "Free Flight", they require the airplanes be equipped with GPS navigation equipment. Most today already are so equipped, but not all).

The 'J' means "Jet Airway", and the number is just a way to differentiate and identify each one. When the numbers are hyphenated, it merely means two or more happen to co-exist along the same routing, temporarily...as you see with conventional roadways on the ground, sometimes.

Air traffic between...say, LAX and DFW/DAL/IAH/HOU/ATL....etc....will very often be flight planned along Jet 65. Not always, and not just those cities....it's complicated, and very busy....especially that area of the country. The prevailing winds, and othr weather conditions will affect routings as well.

When you explore by expanding (zooming out and back) you get a bigger picture of the variety of ways traffic can be routed, and the variety of departure/destination points.

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BTW, this thought occured to me too. You don't have to be a pilot, or even in flying school, to learn how to read and interpret the charts and symbols (it helps, of course, though). All of those charts have a panel on one end that decodes and explains what most stuff means.

Another thing I thought of, since it's so hard to read the darn things on your computer screen...take a ride down to your local airport and ask for some copies of old charts. They all are constantly being updated, and all have an obsolete date prinited on them.

When they expire they are thrown away, or used for training purposes...the effectivity dates, and cycles between revisions vary, but they do become trash eventually, and it beats paying hard $ for a new one. Just to learn from....

Oh, and the High charts?? Only pilots flying jets will have those, sorry....check at a major airport, almost everyone is doing their revisions at some time or another (we get a batch every one to two weeks, depending on what the cycle is).







[edit on 24 July 2010 by weedwhacker]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by One Moment
How is MY observation and MY opinion disinformation???


Because it's wrong.



Wow! You truly have issues.


I have issues with misinformation, lies, fear mongering and idiots.

Not saying you're all of these btw.



Say, why don't you stay off these threads and start your own '"They are merely contrails and you're all delusional to think otherwise' thread????

Pathetic!


Say, why don't you post a thread with conclusive proof that chemtrails are real, you know chemical analysis of these trails, detailed logs of when and where they're being seen etc?



For those who are wide awake these non-Contrails have been acknowledge.... somewhat. They (MSM) are calling them chaff, which is an anti-radar concoction which, the military is testing ! Which we know by now are half-baked truths when it becomes 'official'.


More lies and misinformation!!

Next time you see a chemtrail overhead, go look at your weather radar, with your logic the chemtrail will show up on the radar right?

Chaff shows up on radar and by your logic, chaff means chemtrail so therefore it will show up on radar. RIGHT?




Pay no attention to those who stalk threads just to pollute them!


You mean pay no attention to those who correct the misinformation being spread, right?



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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You had the singular distinction of being the one and only person I have ever briefly put on "ignore"...from another thread, for another reason. It was refreshing, for the short while.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:03 AM
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"Double, double toil and trouble" --- post.

[edit on 24 July 2010 by weedwhacker]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:08 AM
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They all laughed at thought that the Earth wasn't flat two! they all laughed when they were told the Earth wasn't the center of the Universe an they laughed at many other things until they were proven wrong! conventional minds have brought us to the edege of world collapse! it amazes me how yea still go along with it!



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:13 AM
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Presenting soil analysis, witnesses, pilots, photos etc etc etc does nothing but fuel the debate because that will only ensue more conjecture and argument (i.e. "soil samples produces traces of barium and aluminum = doesn't prove anything' retort)

Some of you are certain this phenomena doesn't exist.
Some of us are certain, it does.

Although this is a forum for discussion I think we should go to our designated corners and agree to disagree.

This is the same energy and frustration as talking about religion, politics and 9-11 when people are clearly on theopposing side.

Proof is only good if one chooses to accept it otherwise 'proof' becomes another means for debate.

We as the Human race will never ever agree on one thing as a whole. That's the sad truth about living on this 3rd rock in the 3D!



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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NO ONE except complete fools thought the world was flat, it has been universally agreed that it was a sphere since before the period of ancient Greece.

That would be around 800BC.



[edit on 24/7/10 by Chadwickus]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Point of No Return
 


You had the singular distinction of being the one and only person I have ever briefly put on "ignore"...from another thread, for another reason. It was refreshing, for the short while.


So what happened, missed me?


Anyways, the situation I was referring to was not about you ignoring me, it was about you saying you weren't replying to me, while you clearly was.

Thanks for the link, but I don't think I'm able to get the info I want from it.

I would like to indentify the flights that left these trails.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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Presenting soil analysis...


Such denial! And clinging to one's beliefs! Despite the evidence to contrary....DCDAVECLARK had it backwards....the :chemtrail: believers are the "flat-earth" believers!!!



Those "soil analysis" claims aren't worth the effort it takes to read them. They are NOT scientifically significant, as any contaminates found can come from a variety of very earth-bound sources. Factories!!! Cars, trucks, trains...all that exhaust too.



...witnesses...


None.


... pilots....


We all laugh at the idea!! We make fun of the "chemtrailers".

[qutoe]... photos...

Noting but normal contrails, readily explained by science, and understood by the majority of Earth's population...those who do the studying to learn.

[edit on 24 July 2010 by weedwhacker]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:20 AM
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Air samples is what's needed.

Go back to page 2, I linked to a group who has the equipment to carry out these tests.

Honestly, the means to conclusively prove the existence of chemtrails is available.

Someone just needs to get out from behind their computer screen and make it happen.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by One Moment
 



Presenting soil analysis...


Such denial! And clinging to one's beliefs! Despite the evidence to contrary....DCDAVECLARK had it backwards....the :chemtrail: believers are the "flat-earth" believers!!!



Those "soil analysis" claims aren't worth the effort it takes to read them. They are NOT scientifically significant, as any contaminates found can come from a variety of very earth-bound sources. Factories!!! Cars, trucks, trains...all that exhaust too.



...witnesses...


None.


... pilots....


We all laugh at the idea!! We make fun of the "chemtrailers".

[qutoe]... photos...




.............................and here you have it! My point exactly.

Well, this has been, once again, extremely eye-opening and having me wish I was living on another planet!

G'day believers and know-it-alls! See ya on the flip-side!

[edit on 24-7-2010 by One Moment]

Edit-trying to correct proper quote contents

[edit on 24-7-2010 by One Moment]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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So did the phenomenon of persistent contrails that eventually spread out and haze up the entire sky exist 10-15 years ago?

A lot of people including myself seem to not remember the skies like this, a lot of people notice how bad it is nowadays.

Off course, air traffic has increased, but has it increased so proportionately that the same effects caused by jets 10 years ago, are now much more apparent?

And if it's just contails, should we be asking ourselves if it's a good thing that our air traffic is blocking out the sun over large areas?

[edit on 24-7-2010 by Point of No Return]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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After the fact?


I would like to indentify the flights that left these trails.


Well, as Chadwickus already provided a screen shot of the site you could get that information...I forget if he proved the link to the site? Here it is:

www.flightaware.com...

Thing is, from the OP, you will need to know the date and time... at least then you could zero in a bit.

THEN, you'll just have to start researching....you can assume that usually airlines operate the schedules every day, between city pairs, at roughly the same times of day. But, not always of course. (Just like trains, buses, etc...there are daily and seasonal differences).

Once you start to look at city pairs, you can look at some flight numbers, and then specific flights...but the 'flightaware' website might not store a whole lot of that specific data for long.

Best thing is to use its "live" feature, as it tracks flights real-time.

Also, in the 'flightaware' site, you can click on specfic flight numbers and see its filed flight plan....all of the data comes from the FAA air traffic control computer system.

Need help reading the flight plans? (They're coded...)

That's what I'm here for....



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:30 AM
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I am saying this is what THEY'RE saying it is. I have no way of knowing what's being sprayed or whether I can see 'chaff' or not. "Chaff" is a brand new word in my world.


When in an earlier post you wrote:



Pay no attention to those who stalk threads just to pollute them!


It's funny how those who stalk and pollute threads actually know, and have known for sometime what chaff is.

People come to these forums with questions about subjects they don't understand, i.e. chemtrails. And people, i.e. pilots, meteorologists, and weekend weathermen try to chime to help answer these questions.

Most of the time, these people are shot down, and accused of being disinfo agents, crackpots, whatever, and the person who initially had the question tends to always follow the other people with typically the same amount of lack of knowledge on the subject, because it tends to confirm their bias.

If you look at the chemtrail theory from a neutral standpoint, and then review and compare data from both sides of the of the argument, Occams Razor starts to make itself apparent.

Think about it this way, are you going to ask a 500lb obese man for diet advice? I think not.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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And if it's just contails, should we be asking ourselves if it's a good thing that our air traffic is blocking out the sun over large areas?


Very good question





Contrails are a concern in climate studies as increased jet traffic may result in an increase in cloud cover. Several scientific studies are being conducted with respect to contrail formation and their climatic effects. Cirrus clouds affect Earth's climate by reflecting incoming sunlight and inhibiting heat loss from the surface of the planet. It has been estimated that in certain heavy air-traffic corridors, cloud cover has increased by as much as 20%. Since contrails can spread out and essentially become cirrus clouds, it is felt that contrails may affect the planetary climate in similar ways. Other studies are underway to better understand the role that jet exhaust itself plays in modifying the chemistry of the upper levels of the atmosphere.


www.wrh.noaa.gov...



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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The majority are asleep! just like you! im not part off the majority naver have an never will be thank God, have yea ever heard the old saying,, Be on the Earth but not off it? well thatll give yea some idea were im coming from! Baaaa! baaaa! ba! ba! from a black Sheep!



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:39 AM
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You have already touched on what's different, regarding contrails, and their increasing numbers and duration.

Increased numbers because there are more flights....that is fact.

What remains unable to explain adequately to people (because they refuse to listen/learn/study) is the changes in turbine engine design and technology. This also contributes to the thickness, density and duration of contrails....because its the nature of the way the engines operate, and this is different from many engines in the past (AND, airplanes using those older engines are becoming very scarce, as they are retired from service...but NEWER airplanes are always being introduced into airline fleets, worldwide).

In the USA, the last really big operator of the MD-80, for example, is American Airlines. The Dash 80 usues the basic JT-9D core, but is a variant wih a slightly larger N1 fan in front....it is like a "missing link" between the older versons (staight turbo-jet) designs, and the more modern High-Bypass TurboFans.

Those (turbojets) did make less prevalent contrails, that tended to dissipate more easily. THIS is what people seem to "remember" mostly, from decades ago. Human memory is selective, though. And not perfect.


Once you take time to learn about the differences in the exhaust gas flow patterns, and development, between the various designs, and understand the science of condensation and meteorology, then you are on the path to comprehension. (because Nature is perfectly capable of making clouds entirely on her own, without any help form human machinery, after all...jet engines merely spur that process along).

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What continues to be frustrating is there are a small (thankfully, very small) minority who simply refuse to LEARN!!! Despite the many times links are provided, right here on ATS threads!

(I guess this is what some teachers, at every level of education, must sometimes feel...utter frustration when what he/she is trying to present is completely ignored!)

When I was a young, hot flight instructor I had some difficult students in my time...some were slower to catch on, than others...but I only had to tell ONE that she had no business, at all, in any way, at the controls of an airplane.

(After five lessons, were were STILL on the basics...straight and level, looking at the horizon...she could not grasp the concept! Oh, and she could also NOT grasp the concept of steering the airplane on the ground --- taxiing --- using only her feet on the rudder pedals and brakes. It was just an incredible gap of perception, and she was never going to bridge it....)



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