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posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:10 AM
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posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:18 AM
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Please, show me a pic of a chemtrail plane. I'd love to see this.

The chemicals are in the fuel, not a dispersing mechanism. Jet fuel is filled with chemicals...not H2O. It makes me wonder where you could come up with something as silly as this notion.

And, don't get me wrong. They don't need to lace the sky with additional "chemicals" other than the one's that they naturally use for it to be noxious to the atmosphere. Either way, the chemicals are there.

A contrail by any other definition is a "chemtrail." It doesn't matter which word that you use. Some of it disperses quickly due to atmospheric conditions and others linger in the sky. If you can't see this simple fact, then I'm not sure what to tell you otherwise.

Either way, chemicals are being put into the sky, whether you would like to believe that in your mind or not. They're there. We have this other thing known as cloud seeding. Its been a fact for decades. Nearly half of a millennium. Can you argue with this?

[edit on 25-7-2010 by PsychoX42]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:19 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42


Ironically, this guy also had a crew of people working for him called the SS. And ironically as well, this particular crew of people were given amnesty and flown to the United States to work. This process was known as "Operation Paperclip." Just a bit of history here. Try and keep up.



Are you suggesting that the entire SS went to America? All 200'000 of them?

I think you are confusing things here as your are confusing things with contrails. Not the entire SS went to the US, Operation Paperclip actually consisted of almost only "civilian" germans; not much SS there, allthough there were a few.

Actually most of the high-ranking SS people got out of the theatre of operations by making seperate deals with the OSS and were not part of Operation Paperclip.. You know.. Like Karl Wolff and his firned Allen Dulles... That's how the SS got away - not with paperclip. But anyways...




Now, as luck would have it, these SS guys, were the very guys that helped create that propaganda to shape an entire nation. These SS guys eventually merged with the United State's O.S.S. (Office of Strategic Services) to create the C.I.A. and then there was this thing called the National Security Act. That meant that they could lie, cheat, and do whatever, and never be busted for it because they could hide these things for reasons of "National Security."



Now you're really reaching. As I said, not much SS in paperclip, not much SS that came to America after the war (except for Eastern Legions).... And another thing: Propaganda was not handled by the SS. While they had their own propaganda organs such as Das Schwarze Korps most national socialist propaganda was made by Goebbels and the Reichspropagandaministerium, not much SS there.

As for the Americans. They practically invented propaganda in WW1 implementing Edward Bernays ideas in the OWI. In fact that is where the Nazis got their inspiration for their propaganda; they consciously implented things learned by GB and the US during the war.

Sor your whole story is bunk: the Americans already had propaganda, didn't need the "SS" for it (the Nazis in fact copied the US; not the other way around) and there was no major "SS" element in Paperclip anyway... So... What's your point?

That half-knowledge trumps knowledge? I say... NOT






So, with that knowledge intact, what makes you think you know anything more than anyone else? Hmmm?



I know what makes him think that... He actually looks at stuff and thinks about it for himself, instead of just propagating whatever the counter-factual narrative of the day is.



[edit on 25-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42
How do you know that you're not the idiot?


Perhaps I am, if I'm proven wrong, I will be the first to admit it.





How do you know that your information is 100% accurate?
Just because you had read it somewhere?


I read it in my government issued "How to discredit chemtrailers Volume 7"



Here's a story for ya Chadwickus...
There was this guy, he was beaten in 1945. And this guy was able to shape an entire nation's view of the world by feeding them what is known as "propaganda." Now, this propaganda was so wide and so deep, that it actually permeated through the scientific community, mainstream science, and news. He had an entire nation paralyzed by disinformation and fear. Much of his info was based on the "white man" being superior. LOL.

Can you guess who this guy was?


Hugh Heffner?



Ironically, this guy also had a crew of people working for him called the SS. And ironically as well, this particular crew of people were given amnesty and flown to the United States to work. This process was known as "Operation Paperclip." Just a bit of history here. Try and keep up.

Now, as luck would have it, these SS guys, were the very guys that helped create that propaganda to shape an entire nation. These SS guys eventually merged with the United State's O.S.S. (Office of Strategic Services) to create the C.I.A. and then there was this thing called the National Security Act. That meant that they could lie, cheat, and do whatever, and never be busted for it because they could hide these things for reasons of "National Security."

Interestingly enough, it is common knowledge that the CIA has lied on many issues, including intelligence, issues of war, and scientific findings. Oops.


It is also common knowledge that the burgers are better at hungry Jacks, doesn't make it true though does it?



So, with that knowledge intact, what makes you think you know anything more than anyone else? Hmmm?


I never said I know anything more than anyone else.



[edit on 25/7/10 by Chadwickus]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:22 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42


Either way, chemicals are being put into the sky, whether you would like to believe that in your mind or not. They're there. We have this other thing known as cloud seeding. Its been a fact for decades. Nearly half of a millennium. Can you argue with this?


So you have analyzed the standard ingredients of jet fuel and have come to the conclusion that it is concocted in order to produce "chemtrails" that darken the sky?

Sorry. I missed your analysis.. Show it to me again and tell me how you came to that conclusion. Where did you do the tests? Where did you get the fuel from? Can you point me to the exact year and location of the firm where they switched the "normal jet fuel" for "chemtrail jet fuel"...

Very interesting.. Thanks for providing the info.. Now we are getting somewhere with your claims... Can't wait for the analysis...

[edit on 25-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:23 AM
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Nope, I am not suggesting that the entire SS came to America. Are you suggesting that several didn't? Are you suggesting that "Operation Paperclip" never happened?

Sorry, but, I am a history buff. You can try to break my logic and reasoning all you would like, but, this does not change the facts of history.

We took their scientists, their marketing agents, and their propaganda spinners and worked it like no other. Fact. Deal with it.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:28 AM
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Well those weren't bad answers, until the Hungry Jacks thing. Why not try Jack in the box, you'll never go back.

Regardless, your scientific manual about how to defeat someone in a chemtrail argument holds no weight...at least, not with me. You'll have to work harder on that one and I'm not nearly as impressionable as many of these other "followers."

Jet fuel is dirty. Car fuel is dirty. They leave chemicals in the sky and the atmosphere. I don't care what you call them, as long as there are huge streaks in the sky, our atmosphere is being polluted.

So, if it makes you "feel" better to call them contrails, then, who am I to say that you're wrong. But, if someone feels the need to call them chemtrails, then who are you to try to correct them?



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42
reply to post by NichirasuKenshin
 


Nope, I am not suggesting that the entire SS came to America. Are you suggesting that several didn't? Are you suggesting that "Operation Paperclip" never happened?



Of course it happened. But you will have a hard time listing more than or so names from the SS that came over with paperclip. If not, prove me wrong. Paperclip was about german scientists, not about the SS. Most scientists were not in the SS; and those who were late in the war like Von Braun were forced to do so.

What I am suggesting is that there is not a shred of historical evidence for your claim that we "imported their propaganda specialsts and marketing agents". Paperclip certainly didn't involve the central propaganda devices of the Nazis, that's for sure ....



Sorry, but, I am a history buff. You can try to break my logic and reasoning all you would like, but, this does not change the facts of history.



The facts of history are that the SS had almost nothing to do with propaganda and wasn't involved in Paperclip, since that pertained to scientists.




We took their scientists, their marketing agents, and their propaganda spinners and worked it like no other. Fact. Deal with it.


Ok. So care to list the names of the marketing agents and propaganda spinners? Most of them fled or were killed.

Scientists we agree: that was Paperclip.

Care to name one propaganda spinner that we incorporated in paperclip? or one marketing agent? If this is a historical fact you shouldn't have trouble providing names, right?

Paperclip was a specific program for scientists, not for propagandists. Neither Goebbels nor Streicher came to the US nor gave them ideas; both got their ideas mainly from Italy, GB, and the US.

If not, show some facts.

[edit on 25-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:31 AM
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Oh, now you're trying to spin my statements. Go back and read the post again silly.

Jet fuel is made up of chemicals. It doesn't matter whether it disperses in a thin line that disappears or whether the atmospheric conditions cause them to linger. They are chemicals. Plain and simple. Don't try to play games with me that you cannot win.

Are you suggesting that I said anything other than I did? Are you suggesting that I am implying that there is a conspiracy? If so, then maybe your mental state is one that I should not even entertain.

Why look for a conspiracy when I can just look up in the air and see the pollution. LOL.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:34 AM
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Those are very interesting images.

However, I doubt that we will ever get to the bottom of what they are.

Strange world we live in.

Be safe

Irish spirit



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42
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Jet fuel is made up of chemicals. It doesn't matter whether it disperses in a thin line that disappears or whether the atmospheric conditions cause them to linger. They are chemicals. Plain and simple. Don't try to play games with me that you cannot win.





But now you are transgressing chemtrail dogma. I think the path you are taking now is more fruitfull, but I don't think that we are talking about chemtrails anymore then.

Chemtrails in the traditional sense means this to me: Today there are visible, thick chemical clouds sprayed out by special planes to darken the sun.

What you are presenting now is a different take on chemtrails - a take that doesn't seem to be implied by the guy who opened this thread. I took this to be a standard chemtrail thread that say: Those thick clouds are chemtrails.
Not the watered-down "there are chemtrails but they are not visible" version. For epistemological reasons I only debate the former version.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:38 AM
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Standard ingredients in Jet fuel:

* BP Avgas 80, 44.65 MJ/kg, density at 15 C is 690 kg/m3
* Kerosene type BP Jet A-1, 43.15 MJ/kg, density at 15 C is 804 kg/m3
* Kerosene type BP Jet TS-1, (for lower temperatures) 43.2 MJ/kg, density at 15 C is 787 kg/m3

Aviation fuels consist of blends of over a thousand chemicals, primarily Hydrocarbons (paraffins, olefins, naphthenes, and aromatics) as well as additives such as antioxidants and metal deactivators, and impurities. Principal components include n-octane and isooctane. Like other fuels, blends of Aviation fuel used in piston engined aircraft are often described by their Octane rating.

This was copied and pasted from:en.wikipedia.org...

If you need better references, they provide it at the bottom of the page.

Here's a PDF file:www.google.com... i=6T1MTLSUFdD_nAe7_4TYCw&usg=AFQjCNE_Szibm_NAEfJPHXNtOmx11yw6lg

So, after you have studied that, try and tell me that these chemicals are strictly coming out as water vapor.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:39 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42
Well those weren't bad answers, until the Hungry Jacks thing. Why not try Jack in the box, you'll never go back.


Don't get them here...bugger!



Regardless, your scientific manual about how to defeat someone in a chemtrail argument holds no weight...at least, not with me. You'll have to work harder on that one and I'm not nearly as impressionable as many of these other "followers."


I guess that's why we're at volume 7




Jet fuel is dirty. Car fuel is dirty. They leave chemicals in the sky and the atmosphere. I don't care what you call them, as long as there are huge streaks in the sky, our atmosphere is being polluted.

So, if it makes you "feel" better to call them contrails, then, who am I to say that you're wrong. But, if someone feels the need to call them chemtrails, then who are you to try to correct them?


Now something we can agree on, besides the term chemtrail.

But that's neither here nor there, yes there are pollutants in aircraft exhaust, even the ones with no trails.

There are pollutants coming out of all fuel burning machines though, then there are the factories, power plants and even paper pulp mills, you seen the crap that comes out of them??



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42


So, after you have studied that, try and tell me that these chemicals are strictly coming out as water vapor.


It's your hypothesis, so the burden of proof is on you.

What you would have to do would be to prove that one or more of those ingredients is not in the fuel because it belongs there but was added in order to darken the skies.

If you are right with your hypothesis, it shouldn't be hard to point out what part of the ingredients were added when the cabal came up with the "let's darken the skies plan".....

[edit on 25-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:42 AM
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Agreed then. Personally, it doesn't matter which label that you use to describe these streaks in the sky. It still boils down to pollution. I personally don't need to ascribe to conspiracy to see that there might be a problem with the amount of chemicals that are going into the atmosphere due to fossil fuels being burned by the millions of gallons that are used regularly.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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Again, I am not talking about darkening the skies, this is conspiracy theory, and I'm not up for that challenge right now. I have no idea where this came from. This is a result of non-stop flights that are regularly made by commercial and private airlines. Not to mention many of the military crafts that also are dependent on these fuels.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 08:45 AM
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Originally posted by PsychoX42
I personally don't need to ascribe to conspiracy to see that there might be a problem with the amount of chemicals that are going into the atmosphere due to fossil fuels being burned by the millions of gallons that are used regularly.


There's really something we can agree on.

Most of the people that attack the chemtrail idea in this thread won't have a problem with admitting that the effects of a global mobile society aren't exactly healthful, I think the majority even feels that there is too much pollution coming from it. That's a given for all sides of the argument, I suppose.

But that is a long cry away from "they are spraying the skies in order to darken the skies" ....

Nice synthesis, though :-)

[edit on 25-7-2010 by NichirasuKenshin]



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