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Originally posted by eight bits
Atheism is a stance on the existence of gods. It is a lack in belief in them.
Atheism is the belief that there is no god. That is a different thought from not believing that there is a god.
Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
— ag·nos·ti·cism \-tə-ˌsi-zəm\ noun
Main Entry: athe·ism
Etymology: Middle French athéisme, from athée atheist, from Greek atheos godless, from a- + theos god
1 archaic : ungodliness, wickedness
2 a : a disbelief in the existence of deity b : the doctrine that there is no deity
Atheism is the belief that there is no god.
People can find themselves not believing that there is a god, without believing that there is no god.
Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not have belief in the existence of any deity, and agnostic because they do not claim to know that a deity does not exist.
No, I think we could agree that theism principally names a set of religious beliefs
There is also nothing unusual about single religions having a diversity of views
However , atheism does have one dognma, the belief that there is no god.
Positive atheism is a term popularly used to describe the form of atheism that maintains that "There is at least one god" is a false statement.
I lack belief in gods, and I am no atheist.
There are two forms of Atheism, one of them being disbelief, meaning that you don't believe or that you lack belief. An Agnostic Atheist would lack belief in gods, but not claim that they know that gods do not exist.
That is called strong atheism. Only strong-atheism (also known as positive-atheism) makes the claim that there definitely is no God. Regular ol' atheism is merely a lack of belief in them and is not a statement on whether they actually exist or not.
Whoever told you atheism means the outright 100% rejection of the possibility of gods lied to you.
I have had to explain that agnostics believe the answer is ultimately unknowable
Atheism starts from the faulty position of saying God does not exist.
At best that is a faith based claim, along the lines of someone blindly claiming that God does exist.
If I choose not to believe in faires, unicorns, pink dragons, that is a choice, a belief, I cannot prove that they do not exist- even if I suspect they don't.
Why can't atheists admit that atheism is a religion, albeit an inverse one?
I'll use the classic rebuttal to your claim that atheism is a religion. Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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Madalyn Murray O'Hair was an American atheist activist, and founder of the organization American Atheists and its president from 1963 to 1986.
...She is best known for the Murray v. Curlett lawsuit, which led to a landmark Supreme Court ruling ending government sponsored prayer in American public schools. O'Hair later founded American Atheists and became so controversial that in 1964 Life magazine referred to her as "the most hated woman in America."
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We have been round and round on this before. I don't know if it is because we see the definitions differently or what. In any case, the definitions are not mutually exclusive. There seem to be many different types of agnostics, which has muddled my understanding, just like weak/strong has done for you. Let me give it another go.
Weak atheists say that the claims of theists are wrong; there is no reason to believe in god. They do not believe in god(s). Strong atheists claim there is no god. They believe there are no gods. The difference is subtle, kinds like saying that its unknown vs unknowable. Weak atheists reject claims about deities while strong atheists claim they don't exist. Atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive either. I am an atheistic agnostic because I reject the claims that deities exist, but it believe it is ultimately impossible to know for certain. That confuses most, so I mostly say I'm an atheist.
Not everybody who doesn't believe in some god is an atheist. Get over it.
Although agnosticism was created as a middle ground if you will, understanding and definiton of the concept do not exclude the posibility of agnostic theists and agnostic atheists.
I was intentionally not using full academic precidion in my language in an effort to find another way to convey these ideas to you.
Call me a name caller if you wish,
Gnosis: "esoteric knowledge of spiritual truth held by the ancient Gnostics to be essential to salvation"
Originally posted by eight bits
See, Pie, here's how it works. Every time I see you call me an atheist, then I point out that you don't what you are talking about.
Agnosticism simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that for which he has no grounds for professing to believe." -Thomas Huxley
If this is the definition of Agnosticism you adhere to, ...
If this is the definition of Agnosticism you adhere to, then you are indeed an Atheist.