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Originally posted by enteri
Erm are you seriously saying what I think you are. That because you might get hurt in some way you shouldn't try to help people? That just walking on by is perfectly ok cause it doesn't concern you and you've nothing to gain and everything to lose?
I've helped people and risked myself because of it and i'd do it all over again. Wouldn't you want someone to help you?
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
Evil things happen not because good people do nothing; they happen because the punishment for crime does not act as a strong-enough deterrent to make them think twice about harming another person. (Leaving those with a criminal record unchecked is another major reason why. How many times have ex-cons gone on to ruin more innocent lives after being shown leniency for their original offences?)
[edit on 23/7/2010 by Dark Ghost]
Originally posted by LifeIsEnergy
So by your logic, since getting locked in a caged for multiple years is not enough to deter crime, there must be something even stronger? What will that entail, capital punishment?
Your right on one thing, criminals continue to commit further crimes even after punishment, but not because of leniency. It is because the system is not set up to reform them, it is set up to remove them, but you can't give someone life just for assault so sooner or later they will be back out even more hardened by there prison experience.
If we want to solve these issues in our society we have to take two approaches. One, we must go to the root of the problem and fix it; ie. education, employment, housing..., and two, society as a whole must take responsibility and act accordingly in a non-individualist/self-concerning manner. That means lending a helping hand to a falling comrade, even if that puts you in harms way. Fear is the reason why this isn't happening at a greater level in our society.
Do you realize that, the only people who are "getting off way too easy" are the wealthy? Do you realize the US is only 5% of the worlds overall population, but has 25% of the worlds prison population? And 70%+ of them are Black, while only 10% are White? www.nytimes.com...
The punishment should fit the crime. At the moment though, people are getting off way too easy. I am suggesting that minimum sentences for serious crimes get increased. Things like jaywalking and littering are not the types of "crimes" I have in mind.
There is some truth to that, but again this is mainly only true for the middle and upper classes of White people, because they are the minority in prison. When you live in the 'Ghetto's' of America, prison is not much different or harder to survive in than the 'streets' are. Go spend a week walking around the south side of Chicago, or Detroit, or Milwaukee or Brooklyn, or Oakland, (just places that I frequent) and tell me if prison would seem all that scary to you then, especially if you were Black.
I agree. If you are subjected to an environment that is full of hate and ridicule for 5+ years, you will probably come out worse than you went in. The trouble with jail at the moment is that people seem to fear it because of what will happen to you when you get in, not the idea of losing the freedoms most people take for granted.
Of course, that is "non-individual/self-concerning" as defined by your views. Who gets to decide these views? Last time I checked we, ordinary citizens, were not given the power to establish what is right and what is wrong, what is fair and what is unfair. The system is broken in more than one place.
HARTFORD, Conn. — A 78-year-old man is tossed like a rag doll by a hit-and-run driver and lies motionless on a busy city street as car after car goes by. Pedestrians gawk but appear to do nothing. One driver stops briefly but then pulls back into traffic. A man on a scooter slowly circles the victim before zipping away.
Hugo Alfredo Tale-Yax’s last act may have been helping a woman who was having an argument with another man last Sunday morning in Queens. But his last hour or so was spent as a curiosity for people passing him on the street as he lay face down in blood after being stabbed several times.
Mr. Tale-Yax, 31, was pronounced dead by medical workers who responded to a 911 call around 7:20 a.m. on April 18. The police confirmed the authenticity of surveillance video on The New York Post’s Web site that shows dozens of people walking by Mr. Tale-Yax, who was homeless, lying on the sidewalk at 144th Street and 88th Road in Jamaica. After more than an hour, the video shows one man shake Mr. Tale-Yax before turning him over to reveal the wounds.
Social Psychology by psychologists Elliot Aronson and Timothy Wilson describes the bystander effect as “a social psychological phenomenon in which individuals are less likely to offer help in an emergency situation when other people are present. The probability of help is inversely proportional to the number of bystanders. In other words, the greater the number of bystanders, the less likely it is that any one of them will help.”
Originally posted by Dark Ghost
reply to post by Ferris.Bueller.II
That first two examples are disturbing. It's definitely not the kind of situation I had in mind when asking others not to judge bystanders. Had I been there at the time, I believe I would have attempted to help.
A dog rescued another dog that was struck by a vehicle in Chile, dragging the animal by its teeth across the busy highway to safety.
The feat was captured on video, which shows cars driving by at highway speeds while the dog performs the rescue.
An expert said the act of bravery was natural instinct for the dog.
Inside Edition, which obtained the video, said both dogs survived.