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posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

He discussed(Dr. Polland),
the two years of scientific inquiry and analysis that led him to his current conclusions about Obama’s Certification of Live Birth and the controversy surrounding it.

What Dr. Polland concluded was that Obama’s Certification of Live Birth does not exist, and that the images and photographs posted online are fabricated fakes. The so-called COLB scan was made from two or more COLB images belonging to other people. The COLB object shown in the photographs taken by Factcheck is a physically-fabricated “document” made from the Photoshopped COLB that was laser-printed on film and then attached to “security paper.” His ongoing work includes writing a book on his research and producing videos in which he shares his discoveries and experiences with the rest of the world. Currently, there are a dozen videos compiled in a playlist for people to watch, either one at a time or all of them in one sitting.




I conclude that you don't exist. I conclude that computers and police and books don't exist. Therefor it must be true.




posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 04:49 PM
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His certificate of live birth doesn't exist. Interesting. The aliens must have implanted him in Hawaii when he was born some 50 years ago.

Did you hear that everyone? The president was not born on Earth! The paper's that some crazed hoaxer/conspiracy theorist say don't exist PROVE IT.

[edit on 23-7-2010 by Takamuri]



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 05:07 PM
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Lurker here.....

Having Blind faith that Mr.Obama is indeed who he says he is,is like Blind faith............as your picking the the ball under the middle shell. None of it matters,because we will never know whats factual. Add this to the "Chicken or the Egg" Forum.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 05:14 PM
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SEVEN Propaganda devices…

a.Color Red: Name Calling — generally used to giving an idea a bad label which is used to make us reject and condemn the idea without examining the evidence.

b.Color Gold: Glittering Generality — associating something with a “Virtue Word” (a word that has several meanings or can mean something good, or bad to the people who hear it but is not quantifiable e.g. freedom it sounds good, makes us feel good, but it means different things to different people.) A Glittering Generality is generally used to make us accept and approve an idea or thing without examining the evidence. Or reject and not approve an idea, or thing without examining the evidence.

c.Color Blue: Transfer — carries the authority, sanction, and prestige of something or someone respected and revered over to something or someone else in order to make the later acceptable; or it carries authority, sanction, and disapproval to cause us to reject and disapprove something the propagandist would have us reject and disapprove.

d.Color Maroon: Testimonial — this can either be telling a story of how someone or something got to this point, or it can be having a respected or hated person say a given idea, action, or person, or group is good or bad.

e.Color Tan: Plain Folks — is the method to make people feel the speaker or group the speaker represents is just like them “one of us” or the speaker attempts to convince his/her audience that he/she and his/her ideas are good because they are “of the people” the “plain folks”

f.Color Pink: Card Stacking — involves the selection and use of facts and half truths and even lies, illustrations, distractions, and logical or illogical statements in order to give the best or worst possible case for an idea, program, person, or product. Just keep piling on “evidence” in his/her favor.

g.Color Green: Band Wagon — “Everybody is doing it.” Or at least all of us are doing it. And with this thought and “proofs” the propagandist tries to convince us that all the members of the group we belong to or want to belong to accept his/her program and therefore we must follow the crowd and “jump on the bandwagon”

Does the articles posted touch on all these issues. A good propaganda article will cover all the bases. Practice people you have been at this birther issue for years and you still are not improving.

You may also like these.

•Assertion: A statement that may or may not be true, but it is said with enthusiasm, and/or energy… and presented with the attitude of “There is no need to doubt this… it’s true!” e.g “The experts said”, ”everyone knows“, “it’s common knowledge”

•Lesser of Two Evils: Even though you don’t agree with this you might as well go along or do it because the alternative is much worse.

•Pinpointing the Enemy: This person, or group is the cause of all our problems.

•Stereotyping:

•Minimize the Oppositions Position: Similar to card stacking, but here you give a very weak defense of the oppositions position and a super strong case for yours.

•Extrapolating the Present or Past into the Future:

•Painting the Future:

•Accusation then Apology: You accuse your opponent of doing something horrendous. After it gets reported in all the papers and media outlets and the story is shown either to be false or a gross exaggeration or mischaracterization of your opponents position and the story is dying down, then apologize for mentioning the accusation, giving it new life.

[edit on 23-7-2010 by JBA2848]



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 06:26 PM
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Stormdancer, this is the first "Birther" thread I've ever read. Interesting. I've heard of "Birthers" before but have never looked into it.

I can't stand Obama, but I think his birthdata is accurate. I'd love to see Obama impeached but for other reasons. I have some questions:

I wondered (if the BC is fake) if the reason the BC was faked was to hide the fact that Obama is illegitimate. I know that Obama Sr. already had a wife back in Kenya when he met Stanley Ann. If he actually married SA, it would NOT be considered a valid marriage in the US, since polygamy is barred here.

So is there proof that Obama Sr really married SA and divorced her?

Supposedly, Stanley Ann had to get a divorce from Obama Sr so she could marry that other Muslim man who was Indonesian. But if there was NO marriage to begin with....

Astroved



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 08:18 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by evil incarnate
 


Evil, I cannot judge or address what you have posted, that is why I invited the Dr.

I have questions I would like answered too.


Sorry if it sounded like I was pointing those questions at you. I was just wondering aloud about the video really. I think getting the Dr. to respond to you would be an amazing coup in this whole birther ordeal. Getting one of the people on the forefront to address ATS or a member personally seems kind of exciting. I'd even pay to have some time myself with Orly in a discussion forum.


Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Oh and evil, there are two more videos that I cannot find on the COLB .

Maybe that would add more light on the subject, if all four videos were watched.

Thanks everyone for posting,



Thank you for posting. All the birther threads are such jokes run by personal attacks and lies. This thread at least seems interested in the truth behind the story for a change and I have to applaud you for that.

After being out for a bit, seems I have some things to catch up on here. ATS is getting to be too much maybe for me maybe but I have a few ideas of where I might find those other two videos later on. If I do, I will post them.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:09 PM
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Maybe she didn't know that he already had a wife? Doesn't affect Obama's status at all unless you think that bastards cannot be president. Strengthens his claim, even, since Britain at that time did not give it's citizenship/british subject status to bastard children of british men, so therefore in that case Obama was never british. Note that I don't think that having a foreign father has anything to do with being a natural born US citizen, but many birthers do.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by christianpatrick
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You are saying that President Obama's mother wasn't really his mother. I was around in 1961. I cannot imagine a white woman of that time falsely claiming to be the mother of a black child. Such things at that time were very much looked down upon.


No I didn't say that,

Actually I think Obama looks to much like the grandfather to not be SA's child,

however there is that other theory that hasn't been posted that would tie up some lose ends.

[edit on 023131p://bFriday2010 by Stormdancer777]


You are correct. You didn't say it. You only posted someone else saying it. Nonetheless, it tends to lessen the credibility of the person who did say it since almost no white woman of the time would have brought those difficulties upon herself by falsely claiming to be a black baby's mother. And to whose profit? What possible reason could that be? They could have found some black family to adopt him if it was a question of money.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by christianpatrick
reply to post by Astroved
 

Maybe she didn't know that he already had a wife? Doesn't affect Obama's status at all unless you think that bastards cannot be president. Strengthens his claim, even, since Britain at that time did not give it's citizenship/british subject status to bastard children of british men, so therefore in that case Obama was never british. Note that I don't think that having a foreign father has anything to do with being a natural born US citizen, but many birthers do.



ChristianPatrick, Thanks for responding, but your post did not address my questions: is there any proof that Stanley Ann and Obama Sr were actually married & divorced?

I'm NOT a "birther." I have never questioned that Obama was born in Hawaii or his US citizenship. I'm wondering why there was such hesitancy & delays in showing a birth certificate. If the BC shows that Stanley Ann was not married at the time, it would explain the hesitancy in publishing the BC.

Astroved



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 10:53 PM
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Imo, If he had one, there would be no issue.



posted on Jul, 23 2010 @ 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Benchwarmer
Imo, If he had one, there would be no issue.


He does have one.

It is still an issue.

Albeit an increasingly more fringy issue by the day.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 12:11 AM
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What does it matter? In that day, it was also frowned upon to be an unmarried mother. Maybe she lied. Still doesn't make any difference as to Obama's fitness to be president. Tell me, what does it matter? My parents were married two months after I was conceived. What business is that of anybody else? I have never told that to anybody who knew who I really was, and never will, because it doesn't concern anybody else.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 12:39 AM
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I still say that his mom was CIA, he was born in Africa, and his birth certificate was fixed because her whole marriage to that man was part of her WORK.
When he was old enough, he followed in her footsteps.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:06 PM
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Originally posted by christianpatrick
reply to post by Astroved
 


What does it matter? In that day, it was also frowned upon to be an unmarried mother. Maybe she lied. Still doesn't make any difference as to Obama's fitness to be president. Tell me, what does it matter? My parents were married two months after I was conceived. What business is that of anybody else? I have never told that to anybody who knew who I really was, and never will, because it doesn't concern anybody else.


ChristianPatrick, thanks for responding. As I've stated before, I'm not a "Birther" -- if Stanley Ann was NOT married when she gave birth to Barack, it would explain the reluctance to publish a BC.

It does matter because Obama is POTUS, not a private citizen like you.

When someone runs for POTUS or serves as POTUS, the people have every right to KNOW the details of your life (past & present) that are pertinent to your qualifications for the highest office in the land. A BC is pretty basic info and required to establish parentage & citizenship.

The fact that there were delays in publlishing a BC for all to see when some were questioning Obama's US birth, just points to the fact that there was something to hide. (I suspect his mother was unmarried at the time, since Obama Sr already had a wife in Kenya.)

The reluctance to produce a BC for the general public just added fuel to the suspicions of people already pre-disposed to distrust him. And there are plenty of OTHER reasons to distrust him.

Astroved



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:09 PM
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I beg to differ. Everyone does not have the right to see each and every little detail you may feel is pertinent. Not everyone is qualified to vet each of those things. Just watch the video in the OP. People not qualified to vet documents will make up crazy things. This is why things like qualifications for running for potus are checked by people qualified and the rest of us have speeches and debates to go on.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 06:37 PM
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Astroved... Congratulations... You have responded in the same way I would have... Had I been more Eloquent... There is nothing wrong with the truth when it's presented succinctly...



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 08:37 PM
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*Sigh*

He, Barrack of the Obama family is not under any authority which orders submitting application for a birth certificate.


Edit: I forgot to add that I am not defending Obama and I don't support any political groups and/or ideology. This is just how it is.


[edit on 24-7-2010 by lawlb0t]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 09:01 PM
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Too late, even if it is true. 3/4 of his agenda is already signed into law, he will push through the other 25% as quickly as possible, contently sit as a lame duck president for the remainder of his term, while watching the complete destruction of the USA happen as planned.

Then when exiting office he will stand under a Mission Accomplished banner and it will be for real.

Yes we did!




posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by Th1nker
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Astroved... Congratulations... You have responded in the same way I would have... Had I been more Eloquent... There is nothing wrong with the truth when it's presented succinctly...


Thank you, Th1nker. It amazes me that everyone can't see that there's nothing unusual about requesting to see a BC when a POTUS candidate has a parent (especially the father*) who is NOT a US citizen. (It just brings up the spectre of divided loyalties, among other things.)

*In some cultures, the children BELONG to the father, not the mother. Which is why being born illegitimate is such a detriment to the child in those cultures.

What was UNUSUAL about this case was the reluctance & delays to provide a BC.

Astroved



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 04:29 AM
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*In some cultures, the children BELONG to the father, not the mother. Which is why being born illegitimate is such a detriment to the child in those cultures.


This is the United States, and that OBVIOUSLY isn't the culture here. And since here is the entire POINT, no other culture applies.


What was UNUSUAL about this case was the reluctance & delays to provide a BC.


He provided a Birth Certificate, something that no other Candidate has ever done. Have you ever seen any other President's birth certificate?

It's online, if you don't believe it, well, that's your problem not Obama's. He posted it online for everyone to see, but if that's not good enough for you, then oh well.

I understand this won't go away, I have stopped trying to reason with birthers. They don't care about the truth, never have, never will. All birthers want is some lame excuse to get rid of THIS president. Face the fact that he was born in Hawaii, he will be POTUS till at least January 20, 2013, and get over it already.

Or! And this would be a HUGE favor to me, go out and convince every conservative and TPM candidate that this birther issue is big news and have them run on that. That would be a hoot!






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