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posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by wcitizen
PS. I love you. I love all you truth seekers and freedom seekrs.

We are not alone. We are millions.


Once the ppl realize the depth of the lies, how long it has been
going on and how much we really have in common around the
world, we will be billions.

Thus why they wrote what they did for rule #1 on the guidestones.




posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by doctorwork
The world court just ruled for the Kosovo declaration of independence;
that means that they will accept a breakaway section of the US as a new nation;
Dixie can be a new nation; the PAC NW can be a new and separate nation.
Perhaps therein lies the solution?


It is just like the Russian Phd predicted not too long ago.

He said the US would be broken up into several regions.

When I read just the title I thought it was BS, but after I read
his reasoning it made a lot of sense.

Our nation is very divided, the central conservative section has
been nicknamed flyover country and jesus land.

Well to be honest with both coasts, we are ok with doing our own thing
and you can fund your own fiascoes yourselves.

When you start asking for wheat for bread you might find the price
went up a little bit.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 03:30 AM
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I Quit!!


Well.....you can't!!

Don't get me wrong here but doesn't it seem a bit strange to go and blame your perception of reality on somebody else but yourself??

We all want the bigger better now...

That's the real problem with society nowadays. Individualism doesn't really work that well in a society.

to quote my friend Steven Tyler:


Somewhere we zigged where we should have zagged


Somewhere along the line our interests shifted from community thinking to individual thinking. It's is completely normal to want to have more then your neighbor but to completely ignore your surroundings in pursuit of the mighty dollar, that's the step that did us in.......and we all participated!!

The fact that things are going south for some shouldn't come as a surprise because the whole game was about having more then the other. Without people having less who are the people with more going to reflect on?

The only thing that changed with yesteryear is the fact that the people with less used to be on the other sides of oceans. But with the shifting of balance between rich and poor in your country, I still am not hearing complaints from the people who are on the winning side of this game.

We all want the bigger better now...

So stop complaining and play the game!! People are depending on your participation!!

And let's be honest, you wouldn't want to share what you have. Would you??

It has never been a part of this game. Actually it is the opposite of the objective of this game. Imagine taking in a less fortunate community member and share with him your food and your stuff... Imagine saying that want is mine is yours...Imagine donating all your stuff in expectancy to receive what you need...

Can't do it, can you??

It's okay, only few can.

We made a deal with the devil a long time ago and it's name is money.

But it's a game non the less. The only escape from this madhouse comes from a situation earlier on in history where the same question was raised whether or not taxes should be paid...


“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”


I am not a religious man by any means but some of these stories are inspirational. And in this case it is the realization that money is just a tool in this game of opposites. If those who "own" it want it back, then let them have it.

The real important things in life actually have nothing to do with money. These are things made with your own hands and relations created out of love and care for each other. The realization that you get what you give...(it's a universal law, fact!!!)

Again, I am not promoting socialism or religion but some key values work no matter which reality you reside in.

Peace

Side note: My back went out and so I am on medication right now. They work really well against the pain but they make babble incoherently. Try not to take to much notice of what I am typing. It may not hold any connection to reality....



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 05:42 AM
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I quit 16 years ago. It was not easy, epecially then. There are many who have quit. There is a learning curve of learning a new language and dealing with unfamiliar laws and customs but it has been more than worth it to me. Now, I am a small farmer in a small community on the Caribbean coast. It is not something for an older person to attempt but if you are young, go for it. There are many countries with small governments that do not involve themselves in your daily life and that was I sought and found. It took a good 10 years of extremely hard work but can now sit back and enjoy it.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 05:46 AM
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Originally posted by daniel_g
2- Do not ever drink water from a public place


Although I agree with your other points, this one I don't.

Water is a human right, and if TPTB have hijacked water in order to sell it back to us, I don't see why we should pay for it at all.

It should be free.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 06:43 AM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by daniel_g
2- Do not ever drink water from a public place


Although I agree with your other points, this one I don't.

Water is a human right, and if TPTB have hijacked water in order to sell it back to us, I don't see why we should pay for it at all.

It should be free.


Not really. In the past a lot of water was contaminated and we just died from drinking it. You can still dig a well in some places though, so if you want to be independent that is what you will need to do.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 08:29 AM
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Originally posted by bobs_uruncle

The communists/marxists/fascists have infiltrated the US and caused serious damage to the educational and social structure, does that count as an attack?


So the fascists have infiltrated western institutions, huh?
Well, if that's so, then why are notions like nationalism and (white) ethnic pride severely condemned, mocked and ridiculed?

You're right about communists and marxists infiltrating though..



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by tristar


I do not see the purpose of this video. Is it a montage or a single event? That burning aircraft looks like it is WW2 vintage. The music in the background is Armenia by Einsturzende Neubauten btw.

Einsturzende were a German band formed by Blixa Bargeld in the squats of Berlin. Their music goes right back to the roots of humanity. The long percussive and industrial music they composed really does spark a chord with me, as it seems to come from another plain of existence. OP might find some comfort in their philosophy.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:19 AM
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you don't have to quit. all the "players" just need to be fired. it has happened in other countries; we just need to make it happen in North America.

and it deosn't have to happen with violence, either. Violence is never an answer. that in itself is a message that needs to sink in.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 12:32 PM
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It seems a massive awakening is taking place in the US.

That's recomforting. Things will change pretty soon.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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This is my first time embedding a YT video.
I ope everything went well.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:23 PM
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For those reluctant to just quit today.


[edit on 24-7-2010 by Illusionsaregrander]



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by downtown436
reply to post by tristar
 


We are actually getting invaded right now, and the government knows about it, and is not doing Jack to stop it.

The only people defending our southern border are the Arizona Militia, and guess what, the government will probably start arresting those guys pretty soon because, well, they don't want the border secure, because they are trying to blend us in with the rest of the 3rd world.

In a list of Nations that have nuclear weapons, the state I live in is in 3rd place. The only 2 Nations that have more nukes than the state of New Mexico are the U.S. and Russia.

Again, we don't need a Federal gov't. The states have plenty of governing power by themselves. Also I think for the common defense the governors of the 50 states could get together, and formulate a common defense plan. Not an offensive strike plan, a defensive plan.

A


That second paragraph was the most racist, ignorant and almost 3rd Reich-ish thing I've read in awhile..... I must say that I am not impressed.

Here's from an article online:

"Davis said his group would be mostly combat veterans.

'They all have confirmed kills, from Vietnam or later on,' he said. 'They're not wannabes who go out and buy a set of camos (camouflage clothing) and go out in the woods with a rifle.'

'On a more extreme end, what's to stop and prevent these individuals from using violence and force unnecessarily?'

While I agree our borders could use cleaning up, people who take it to the extreme aren't part of the solution.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 09:27 PM
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Good post, but I'm more interested in how you think you quit or are done.

If you live in the USA, or any other nation, you will still have to pay that nation's taxes and live under their government.

If you use ANYTHING that the taxpayer provides, you are a hypocrite.

The only way you can "quit" or "be done" is to buy your own island, provide your own services and house, built by yourself with no one helping and with no subsidies, off every single grid (power, internet, communications, etc) and completely self sufficient with livestock and vegetables and grains that you grow yourself. No car, no oil, nothing provided by any corporation or public funding (as most corporations are subsidized by the taxpayer).

Anything else is hypocritical.

A cabin in the woods isn't going to do it as you would still use roads occassionally to get supplies (built by funds provided by taxes) and if you use a vehicle you will be using gasoline provded by oil companies subsidized by the Government and a car built by a car company subsidized by the Government to make it cheaper. No cell phone or other communication device, as these would (a) use power transmission lines built with subsidies by the Government, or (b) will use communications towers built by corporations using subsidies from the Government.

Not so easy now, is it?

If you're able to do the above, good luck to you, Sir.



posted on Jul, 24 2010 @ 11:53 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_MislTech
When I read just the title I thought it was BS, but after I read
his reasoning it made a lot of sense.

Our nation is very divided, the central conservative section has
been nicknamed flyover country and jesus land.

It is worse than you think. Southern section of the United States will soon be owned by Mexico. Eastern coast is already owned by China. West coast is owned by Russia & India. I will have to check some of my fact, for I think I have the east and west coast backwards.

Technically, the United States no longer exists. Once Obama lifts the southern border, Mexico will come in and establish Texas, Alabama, New Mexico, and Southern California as their own.

Also, you made a great point about how our political makeup has also divided the country. If anyone thinks that a 45%/45% split is sustainable, you should go back and recheck your history on old Europe. It is impossible for a country to continue with a 45%/45% split in ideology, and expect 45% to go along with the other 45%. We are heading towards a civil war in the next ten to fifteen years. Don't think otherwise. It will happen.

[edit on 24-7-2010 by Section31]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 12:01 AM
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Hi there.

I want to wish you good luck with your resignation forms. I'm really curious about them to get through the system and more important, if they are signed with the word ALLOWED on them.

I've noticed myself this same little glitch in the system but I've failed up until now to find a comfortable solution.

Because...

When you quit the system you will have to really quit the system. Any use of the public commodities would be like stealing from the rest of us willing tax payers.
Because when you think about it, I agree. But go in deep and you will see that the only free places left are in the middle of nowhere. Without any public resources whatsoever.

So... If you got a good idea that will not get edited into nothing because it violates the ATS regulations. I'm all ears.

Until that time I will have to agree with other posters before me that said that it is not the system that is screwed up, but the people that run it... Well some of them...

A big part of the money still goes ( in most parts of the world ) to public services, provided by public business owners.

The system is bad because it is corruptible. But try and think of a system that is perfect ?
A system thought of by imperfect people with flawed ways, moral, actions, answers and so on...

That would be the challenge of your life and the chances are 99,999999999999 % you are not gonna solve all the problems.

I will be happy enough if you would at least try.

So... Good luck.



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 12:25 PM
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Originally posted by operation mindcrime
reply to post by downtown436
 



I Quit!!


Well.....you can't!!


Other ppl have quit the system and get along pretty well.

I have reduced my participation in the system.

I still work part time, I still buy things with tax on them, but
I buy MUCH less than I did in the past.




Don't get me wrong here but doesn't it seem a bit strange to go and blame your perception of reality on somebody else but yourself??

We all want the bigger better now...

That's the real problem with society nowadays. Individualism doesn't really work that well in a society.



Some say reality is what we make it, but in the grander scheme of
things you will find the ppl with money and the power have more
to do with setting reality than the poor man.

We need a series of local co-operatives vs. what we have now.

Ppl will need to contribute at some level and we cannot reward
families for being on welfare for generations.




Somewhere along the line our interests shifted from community thinking to individual thinking. It's is completely normal to want to have more then your neighbor but to completely ignore your surroundings in pursuit of the mighty dollar, that's the step that did us in.......and we all participated!!


Individual thinking is how mankind survived for many years
before "so called" society.

Community or communism in its pure form like the Amish,
Mennonites, and others are held together by religion which
in all forms is a lie and proven so by Dawkins and others.

Zeitgeist does a pretty fair job of showing how religion is a lie.

Greed is a huge factor in the collapse of the US, and other nations.

But do not forget the central bank slave system of making money
thru debt.

We should be gearing more toward a Co-op style system and that
will legally reduce the inflow of taxes to the corrupt government.

Small government is the way to go, and try to make it more local.

Return the Federal Government to its original role, and stop
acting like the Roman empire with 700+ bases in 130+ countries.

All over the world most governments are corrupt to some degree
at some level because they are run by ppl that can bought be off.




The fact that things are going south for some shouldn't come as a surprise because the whole game was about having more then the other. Without people having less who are the people with more going to reflect on?


The game is rigged as George Carlin would say.

We have a bunch of pirates at the top, and parasites at the bottom.

50% of the country pays no income taxes.

40 million + ppl on food stamps are not asked to help with
a community garden, or farm.

Some ppl managed to grow 1 million pounds of food on 3 acres
over 360 days in a greenhouse via Aquaculture, Hydroponic,
and compost.



A top small percentage robs trillions thru the military industrial
complex and corporate welfare, and manipulate policy thru
the revolving door of the corp and big government.




The only thing that changed with yesteryear is the fact that the people with less used to be on the other sides of oceans. But with the shifting of balance between rich and poor in your country, I still am not hearing complaints from the people who are on the winning side of this game.

We all want the bigger better now...


As it has been indicated by TPTB it is easier to take the US down
to the level of the 3rd world than it is to bring the 3rd world up
to the level of the US.

There are ways that all the ppl of the world could do better,
but the money manipulators and power brokers want to
keep their Nouveau Royalty - slave system intact.



So stop complaining and play the game!! People are depending on your participation!!

And let's be honest, you wouldn't want to share what you have. Would you??


LOL, your statement reminds me of a bumper sticker I often see
in my area of the country.

"GET TO WORK ! - millions on welfare are counting on you !"

What one man earns, one man should keep.

2 leeches on the backside of society, the pirate at the top, and
the parasites at the bottom sucking the life out of the middle class.

Opting out of the system by reducing your participation slowly
and starving it to death is the non violent choice being made
by a lot of ppl and by working less you get more time for
those things that really matter that you mentioned.

Paying ppl welfare to sit on their back side and smoke pot and
make babies all day to perpetuate more parasites is just another
way to get more ppl to sit around and do nothing and will also
cause a country to collapse.

Wealth redistribution is a tool of the marxist and socialist to
instigate class warfare.

Before government if you did not hunt and gather you starved.

We cannot have billions of ppl feigning mental issues to lay around
stoned all day doing nothing.

Thus the book Atlas Shrugged was written, and at some time
much like now some ppl like myself will chose to starve the beast
rather than feed it.

You think we should work hard and pay taxes so some lazy loafer
can stay at home baked on prescription drugs playing Xbox all day.

It is coming to an end.



It has never been a part of this game. Actually it is the opposite of the objective of this game. Imagine taking in a less fortunate community member and share with him your food and your stuff... Imagine saying that want is mine is yours...Imagine donating all your stuff in expectancy to receive what you need...

Can't do it, can you??

It's okay, only few can.

We made a deal with the devil a long time ago and it's name is money.


In 1913 the issuance of money was granted to a foreign power
that is not part of the federal government, thou federal is in its
name, it is as federal as federal express and is a giant parasite
on the system.

The problem with the give away society is there are those who
will abuse it and not contribute.

It is very utopian to dream of it, but it is just not based in reality.

At some point the ppl that work hard for more to have it taken
away, and given to obamanoids that fake their inability to work,
will simply decide to work only enough to feed themselves.

When that happens that whole house of cards comes down.

That is what I am advocating, bring it all down by non cooperation
just like Gandhi did.

I am not saying break the law, but simply work less, have more
free time, raise a victory garden and some chickens or rabbits
if you are in a rural area.

Look for ways to save money, spend less, be self sufficient,
and get as close as you can to the 50% group that pays no taxes.

Once a large portion of the nation pays little to none it will
start to fall apart.

Starve the Beast, and it is already underway.






But it's a game non the less. The only escape from this madhouse comes from a situation earlier on in history where the same question was raised whether or not taxes should be paid...


“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”


I am not a religious man by any means but some of these stories are inspirational. And in this case it is the realization that money is just a tool in this game of opposites. If those who "own" it want it back, then let them have it.

The real important things in life actually have nothing to do with money. These are things made with your own hands and relations created out of love and care for each other. The realization that you get what you give...(it's a universal law, fact!!!)

Again, I am not promoting socialism or religion but some key values work no matter which reality you reside in.


I recommend watching money as debt and you will see where the
banksters stepped in and put in elements to enrich themselves.

In the beginning before the scam was setup money was just
a means to level the trade, barter, and labor system.

The corruption of the money system is what has made it so
horrible to this day, and why it is harder to do what they have done
in a system where the currency is based on things of real value
like gold, silver, copper, a house, etc.

A resource economy as advocated in the film Zeitgeist addendum.

If a person is required to give up his hard work to those who
loaf and feign disability then that system is corrupt also, but
in a different way.

As for universal law, it is merely another creation of man.

A power and control system setup many years ago.

Some then reach for religion to justify their rules and laws
and that religion is proven to be a joke like all religion.



Religion and all the laws based on it are merely tools used
to manage the herd of sheep that mankind has become.

There are some rules and laws that are needed in society but
George Carlin reduced it all down to 2 that would see the world thru.


[edit on 25-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

[edit on 25-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]

[edit on 25-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by Sinter Klaas

When you quit the system you will have to really quit the system. Any use of the public commodities would be like stealing from the rest of us willing tax payers.


Not really...here is why.

50% of the population pays no income taxes.

Don't quit the system, just limit your participation.

Basically reduce to working only part time, spend more time
fishing, hunting, growing a garden, and look for ways to lower
your cost of living.

If 10 million ppl could find it in themselves to move to part time,
then 10 million new part time jobs would be created if
the same amount of work is needed.

A friend sold his big house, his big boat, his nice car, and moved
to the lake on lake lot and built a cabin while living in a used
travel trailer.

Him and his family lives there now, and the wife home schools
the kids via moodle and she takes care of the garden and a
few others things.

My friend works part time doing heat and air work for higher pay
per hour, but NEVER works 40 hours, and does not work except
in an emergency around the holidays.




Because when you think about it, I agree. But go in deep and you will see that the only free places left are in the middle of nowhere. Without any public resources whatsoever.

So... If you got a good idea that will not get edited into nothing because it violates the ATS regulations. I'm all ears.


A non-profit social co-operative.

Like the farmers co-ops.

Some communities have started Internet ISP co-ops to keep
the Telcos from ripping ppl off like they did during the $200 billion
broadband scandal.

www.tispa.org...

The churches pay no taxes what so ever and rake in billions.

The co-operative can then take the money and have a vote of its
members just locally and provide extreme low or no interest loans
to those in the community who need help.

Their situation is evaluated and if they are good ppl the Co-op
comes together like the Amish and builds a barn that is designed
to last or a house, pond, or whatever is needed.

Keep this local so that you can keep it from growing into a huge
bloated monster like we have now.

Use vertical hydroponics to grow algae oil for bio diesel.







Until that time I will have to agree with other posters before me that said that it is not the system that is screwed up, but the people that run it... Well some of them...

A big part of the money still goes ( in most parts of the world ) to public services, provided by public business owners.

The system is bad because it is corruptible. But try and think of a system that is perfect ?
A system thought of by imperfect people with flawed ways, moral, actions, answers and so on...

That would be the challenge of your life and the chances are 99,999999999999 % you are not gonna solve all the problems.

I will be happy enough if you would at least try.

So... Good luck.


Right now the way the system is setup every time anything changes
hands the slave masters want a cut, the middle man want a part
of every transaction.

With the churches they have not been getting that.

With the farmers using Co-ops it has been reduced in the extreme.

With my USAA insurance for veterans it is essentially a not for profit
co-operative that pays its employees, pays insurance claims
that are not scams, and keeps rates crazy low.

My monthly car insurance for liability is $20/month.

About 250% lower than what I used to pay.

This can spread to most aspects of ppls lives, BUT it will
crash the current system as it extricates itself from the middle
man that want to "drink your milkshake".

Their "drainage" days are numbered.

Setting up non or not for profit Co-ops for most if not all aspects
of society would allow ppl to keep more of their hard earned effort.

The co-op would have to have TRUE transparency not more lies
like we have seen lately.

Some communities have even taken to setting up their own
currency outside the current system for local exchange.

en.wikipedia.org...

Keeping it small and local maybe with state level over sight to
watch for corruption.

Much like the farm co-ops today.

Returning to Common law with the jurist and eliminating 90% of
the need for high dollar lawyers and bought and paid for judges.

These titanic shock waves are in motion now and war to stop
them will be starting soon.

We are living in interesting times, I welcome them.



[edit on 25-7-2010 by Ex_MislTech]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:12 PM
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Ex_MislTech,

I am going to have read that reply through a couple more times before I completely comprehend what you just said but I thing I am not jumping to conclusions by stating that you are my hero!!!

You clearly have thought this through a little better then me. I just call 'm as I see 'm...

Although I already had the notion that globalisation really isn't such a good idea. This world keeps getting smaller and smaller and we are suppose to operate as coherent a group??

Make the world bigger!! Don't care so much what happens on the other side of the world. People on the other side of world can take care for the other side of the world. Take care of your side of the world.

Over here in Europe we are in the process of making a few dozen small countries act as if they are one big country....pretty hilarious to witness but I am afraid the consequences will be less hilarious.

I am going to read your reply a couple of times so I might come back with a few remarks but for now.....a star for that eloquent reply.

Peace

PS: mind if I add you to my friend-list??

[edit on 25-7-2010 by operation mindcrime]



posted on Jul, 25 2010 @ 01:51 PM
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you can leave but its a new world order. You should stay and save your country. You dont have to work or consum you could just pitch a tent in the woods and show every one that we can beat them by doing just that.




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