What Has ATS Actually Done?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord




hey ScepticOverlord as you are just in here:

I see the same right wingers in here!
Today is my annual of membership in here and i thanked all of you for your work...
But just short before ( just recognized it today morning) i posted just my opinion about what is there going on in the "arizona border patrol 40 miles away" thread.
The mod defcon5 gave me a points penality about 1000 points for it, that i have hard earned in the last week!
It was the first time that this was happening and this short after i posted the "germany is a fraud thread" and got in stress with some right wingers...
i smell a con against me...

Do the mods decide that randomly (dictatorship) or is this discussed (democratically) in a certain thread?

This is not fair!



And therfore that this post doest get deleted:
Yeas ats is a very good site to introduce sheeple to the whole con stuff!
and i also see that in the last weeks ats gets more attention from msm news, there have been several subjects i noticed first on ats and then on other news...

and also the issue of the norway spiral!
i followed live on here and saw the news coming in... that was proof enough the ptb wanted to cover it up!

Peace!
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[edit on 22-7-2010 by JimIrie]

reply to post by kevinunknown


I'm going to have to agree with kevin.


I had 3 warnings that I consider were very inconsistent and mostly just personal bias on the mods part that gave them. I also got a post ban for a similar reason.

I was going to just leave ATS...but then I found chat. I don't post much anymore...read some threads...think about posting...but figure I will offend some mod out there and may get a warning or a ban. So I just stick to chat...safer that way. I'm not interested in being censored or having to make sure I don't say something that the staff doesn't agree with and get a ban.

A legitimate question taken off topic and turned into an ATS issues thread..
How freaking brilliant.
To get back on topic,
The entire point of ATS is to get the word out..whatever topic is being discussed to as many people as possible.
Not that difficult a concept to understand.
Just because an issue didn't make it to a court does not make it less important.
Show me another website that even compares to the quality of content you can read here?
Sources from all over the world in one place...
It's bar none, and I have zero clue why people nitpick.

Why should ATS do anything? It's not part of their job description. It's not their job.

ATS is here to provide an outlet for info and an intelligent analysis and discussion of conspiracy theories and ideas. They are here also to entertain.... and for me, they do a great job.

The question should be..."What have you done?"

You bring ideas, you gather info, and then make some hopefully intelligent conclusions. Then, if something moves you or convicts you or stirs your passions...then it is up to you to do something. Not ATS.

I, myself, find that much of the rumour and theory found here, are later validated in after the fact news accounts...ie. the underwater seepage of oil away from the oil pipeline in the Gulf.

Thanks ATS for doing a good job.

By the way, some of the ATS subscribers need to get a life and not get so wrapped up in the things said here. It is only one of many websites, and is here to inform and entertain us... and make money doing so. It is not the end-all of life... turn off the computer and go relax...maybe a park, the beach, go fall in love. There is a wonderful world outhere waiting to be enjoyed... or is it?

reply to post by AccessDenied


Excellent points, I think when these nitpickers start paying the bills on ATS they will have a leg to stand on, also noticed it seems it's always new members who do the nitpicking for the most part.

Originally posted by Fractured.Facade
reply to post by SkepticOverlord

 

A growing perception of censorship is not really good.

That's funny.

I have almost never been censored except like twice, on off topic pointless 1liners.

Every single theory I had and shared on ATS, never censored.
Every single discussion I had on ATS, never censored.

If they had an agenda, they would have gotten rid of me by now. I am a free thinker and came come up with some novel stuff from time to time.

And it's not just me. Tons of members have had no problem expressing their viewpoints here.

It really truly does boil down to the TOC. If you follow them , you are golden.


Just my personal experiences from the last 6 years here.

Originally posted by SkepticOverlord


We've never removed honest criticism.

Correct.

You have never censored any of my criticisms of the website. Or questions lol. (Good times)

In fact SO, I have found you to be very keen at listening to those of us that may have something to say. Thanks for caring and listening.

Originally posted by BSG75
I've been a member for a fair few years, and I recently started thinking about something. What exactly has ATS done ? By that question I mean what secrets have been discovered by the members which have led to legal action in courts?

Surely we have had one or two?

CONS: Barksdale Missile Number Six: The Stolen Nuclear Weapon

is, in my opinion, what ATS does at its finest - providing information for discussion on issues that may not necessarily see the light of day.

What I have found is that ATS does several things. If you consider, ATS is a good cross section of different personalities from around the world, in the different debates and posts, there is normally a good consensus of what is on the mind of everyone. It provides for an outlet for people to rant and make ideas that could be consider dangerous if spoken outloud. And from what I have seen, most of the time, there are stories and articles making it onto the site far faster than any of the news streams would have such on. I have heard things from the different comentators, that I read a day or 2 earlier on ATS. It may not bring any conspiracy to light, but it does keep us informed and most will have input that gives a different perspective that one may or may not have considered.

I think ATS has done much for the spreading of information. What I believe ATS to be the best at doing, is giving us a place to discuss and debate said information.

I don't believe that censorship is over the top. I consider myself a polite person who is generally passive. I've only had one post ever deleted, and in that post I think I was making a pass at AshleyD when I first joined. It was off topic.

Don't say off topic things, don't violate the T&C, and ATS will not be against you. Mods are people, and have feelings I think. They do a fine job of keeping the peace.


My emails to people can be only a link to a thread on ATS. That says something to me.

In my humble opinion, only a certain segment of ATS membership seek to break some major news story. They are the ones most focused on their flags and stars and look to be the first with something so as to be someone that is described as being the first to find or uncover something important. May be a matter of pride but these types want to be recognized for finding something important.

Then there are the other types. Those that are truth seekers and constantly wade through the many postings, videos and Internet articles trying to understand the totality of issues and areas of concern for Americans while not caring who gets the credit. To this group the truth takes priority to what matters to them.

As such, ATS is a like a private college class where you can audit any subject and come away a little bit more informed just because you took the time to listen and participate. If you need the grade for your GPA, then you are in the class for a different reason. This is to me the difference in ATS membership.

Add in the younger generation just getting out in the world and anyone can see that ATS can and will be a positive venue for all ages and for all types of backgrounds and interests whether you seek just information or whether you seek to find that diamond in the rough that will make your fame and fortune for finding it.

Too often those seeking fame, fortune and notoriety step on the backs of those that just seek the truth. They often will take someones posting and re-post it as if the previous ATS posting does not matter. They plagarize other sources and could care less that they get caught. They have no shame and no regard for credit where credit belongs.

This last group will re-subject or rename the title and sometimes the title is exactly the same. Anyway, ATS has a varied membership and I doubt any one ATS member knows factually what if anything ATS has accomplished. Any comment on this subject would be conjecture alone. Only the owners of ATS know if ATS has contributed to the pursuit of freedom, truth and justice while exposing those criminally responsible. I think they have and as long as they are online, they are helping to spread the truth, no matter if that truth is incomplete or muddied by so much conspiracy data.

Everyone wants the truth, but some want that truth to pay them specifically for finding it. While that may be part of American capitalism, it is not what made this country great. I don't feel or think that truth should be sold or kept from the public because of money priorities. To me that would be very wrong.

Seeking and spreading truth and knowing that it was communicated to such a large viewing internet group to include international viewing and any truth that is discovered is always to everyone's benefit. This is my honest opinion and as far as I am concerned, ATS meets the challenge and accomplishes something good everyday it is online and available for us to use or abuse. While some seek fame, some just seek truth and facts.

Both groups to include those that don't have any goals are all part of ATS. Without the nay Sayers we would be living the lie. Without the truth seekers there would be no truth and without the publishers of threads and videos, without them we would be on our own trying to understand the pieces that make up the big picture. Some of us are good at putting pieces and puzzles together while others are not.

In a way ATS needs all the types because ATS is like a coral reef alive with all kinds of life. Some good, some not so good and some indifferent to the world. None the less it is what makes the coral reef so abundant in life is that life is tolerated and everyone feeds off of each other in this small world and in such a world of mutual use, the many are benefited by the entirety of the species and not just one or two types.

Just one mans thoughts and opinion. As far as I am concerned, ATS is on the ball every day, 24/7.

Thanks for the posting.

Originally posted by Lolliek
I'm sure that some things have been discovered, but I know they (the ATS higher ups) get awefully touchy when you mention ATS and the CIA in the same thread.

ATS: I Was Just Reading A Thread That Got Deleted!

It seems that goofy threads can stay alive and well (with no proof - just conjecture), but try to say anything about ATS gets deleted with 10 minutes.

Just my 2 cents

Im pretty sure that if you talk sense and use hard evidence without blatant attacks and blowing it out of your ass they wont close your thread.

Nothing much.

Hey skeptic o where's the resdesign you were touting as the next great thing that I'm sure would help out in this aspect?

Been a while now and are you still working on it?

Hope so, otherwise the sites ho hum as usual.

Do the mods decide that randomly (dictatorship) or is this discussed (democratically) in a certain thread?

Each mod metes out applauds/penalties, etc. as he or she interprets the posts and compares them against the Terms and Conditions of the site (and, being human, their own aesthetics of what is a good post, or what is actually racist, etc.)

If you ever disagree with a mod action, by all means, contact the mod (via U2U) and ask for more info. If you still are dissatisfied, use the complaint feature, or even contact other mods and ask them to look into it.

However, there are many cases where multiple mods may discuss an issue, and try to reach a consensus. (such as complaints).

Mods are people too, so we are not infallible, however, we do all try and approach everything from a standpoint of open discussion, and the welfare of the site and it's membership.

On another note, many times, there are SEVERAL actions leading up to a ban or post/thread removal, that may be unseen by the membership at large. For example, as a member, you won't be aware of an offending member's threatening or harassing U2Us to another member (or staff), or same behavior in chat, etc. Then, other members are left wondering "why did he get banned for that post", etc., when really, it was other actions that led to it...

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Back on topic though, I can recall some great revelations or at least theories, that I came across here at ATS vs. anywhere else. For example, compare drawings of the Jersey Devil to a photo of a Hammerhead Bat. It's almost a slam dunk case! (to one of the great cryptid creatures out there). Billy Meier's exposure was further supported and evidence by ATS, as was the Prophet Yahweh, and several other UFO-related subjects, and that's just in ONE category.

The biggest thing ATS DOES, is serve as a place for great discussion on topics that most of us wouldn't want to discuss with others who aren't of like minds. THAT is ATS' great accomplishment.

ATS is the best site on the interwebs, what more is there to do?

ATSNews is just getting its wings and we have pretty big plans for that, so, I guess on top of already having broken several national stories (Barksdale, The Cisco Routers to name only a couple), and exposing the outright corruption of a significant segment of the U.S. Government (Mustang/BP Conspiracy), we will be doing even more.

For those asking about the redesign, it's coming, its almost done, but, completely transforming millions of pages of content to HTML5 and CSS style sheets from frames is a HUGE job for one person who has to help run the business, do video production and everything else on top of it.

Springer...

reply to post by Springer

Yes, exactly!

I get the feeling that ATS is gearing itself up to be a legitimate alternative to our normal daily doses of current affairs!

It's nice to be a part of it (in a small way).

ATS is just a forum for members to discuss the otherwise undiscussable. Its not meant to be a place where uprisings are started and state secrets are revealed.

Just relax and enjoy it.

Originally posted by BSG75
By that question I mean what secrets have been discovered by the members which have led to legal action in courts?

I don't know about legal action in courts, but here's another story that as far as I know broke here on ATS first, or at least if any other source reported it first, I was unable to find it, with the exception of the author's website where it was posted a couple of days earlier:

Missing Lunar Orbiter Tapes Found In an Abandoned McDonalds

Pirate McDonalds


Photo Credit: Steve Jurvetson

Behind the counter of an abandoned McDonalds lie 48,000 lbs of 70mm tape… the only copy of extremely high-resolution images of the moon.

Some of the applications of this project, beyond accessing the best images of the moon ever taken, are to look for new landing sites for the new Google Lunar X-Prize robo-landers, and to compare the new craters on the moon today to 40 years ago, a measure of micrometeorite flux and risk to future lunar operations.

Fascinating story and Kudos to the author and ATS for getting the story first. In fact it looked so bizarre to see 24 tons of recording tape in an abandoned McDonalds I wasn't even sure if the story was true at first, but it turned out to be true.

It was a fascinating story to me and other media sources then had to catch up after this was exposed on ATS.

[edit on 23-7-2010 by Arbitrageur]

Originally posted by Aquarius1
reply to post by AccessDenied

 

Excellent points, I think when these nitpickers start paying the bills on ATS they will have a leg to stand on, also noticed it seems it's always new members who do the nitpicking for the most part.

This often seems to be the case. I am not sure why some people imagine ATS is a public service, as opposed to the privately owned and run business it is.

Censorship is when the government prevents something from being said by evoking it's power.

Editorial is when a private business chooses not to permit something be published at it's expense in it's name.

There is a huge difference, my right to free speech does not included demanding the Washington Post publish my thoughts on swamp gas!

Now for those of you who don't think ATS has accomplished anything, if you honestly truly feel in however much time you have spent on this site, you have not learned something, something that makes you a better, wiser, more intelligent person, then WOW!

All I can say it must be true, you can't teach old dogs new tricks.

Obvioulsy ATS is one of the most popular discussion boards on the Internet period for a reason.

If a few of these people would spend a little more time objectively approaching the true wealth of information there is on ATS instead of whining like incessant children and spoiled brats about every little petty thing that doesn't conform to how they imagine things ought to be in a perfect world designed for only them, then they might actually know that the thousands of people who flock to ATS everyday aren't doing it just because it's free!

Originally posted by BSG75
What exactly has ATS done ? By that question I mean what secrets have been discovered by the members which have led to legal action in courts?

Do the courts have to be involved for ATS to have "done" something?

Isn't having a community where like-minded people can collaborate and discuss various off-topic issues, ideas and news enough?

I'm not saying you're saying, I'm just sayin'



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