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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 12:27 PM
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I'm trying to think of a way to re-word that, as best I can put it is to me sexual repression is repressing the act of 2 or more people having sex as well as the general reactions people have on sex. But that is just my views on this. Everyone has their own definition for things but being repressed sexually to me means you are made to feel that sex, certain sexual acts and/or discussing sex is off limits

This might help: deffinition

Im not sure what planet you live on but people are allowed to and do discuss sex all the time. Now the fact that i do not want to talk about what i did to my wife last night over dinner with my mother has nothing to do with repression it is about manners.



At one point she had 3 or 4 open relations and some people would call her a slut because she was with 4 men rather than a steady relation with one.

Is that not the deffinition of slut?


Slut or slattern is a pejorative term meaning an individual who is sexually promiscuous.

I mean lets call a spade a spade. I am a man, if i go out and have sex with other men i am gay. That does not mean that i should be offended because people are calling me gay.



Being open with her sexuality means she doesn't feel ashamed to kiss her girlfriend in public or hold hands or feel the need to hide the fact she is with a woman rather than a man.

Not ashamed? So you are going to tell me honestly that all the boyfriends know about the girlfriends and the girlfriends know about the bofriends and everyone knows about eachother?



I created this topic to get inputs on why SOME people may be feeling sexually repressed. I did not create this thread to nit pick about my own personal definitions on sexuality, which changes from person to person and from view to view.

It looks to me like you wrote this about "how we changed" and it got shot down pretty quick.




posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 12:49 PM
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interesting link about the ancient dildo, or whatever it is

i know what you mean about society being too conservative about sexuality, but i would limit that to western society

when i lived in japan they had a penis festival, well a fertility festival, annually Kanamara Matsuri

we're talking penises everywhere, to someone from the western culture it was brand new, however the japanese are fully comfortable making public something that is only human

i'd like to mention that there were even lolipops being sold that were the shapes of penises, i mention that just to clarify that the festival is not a 'perversion' of any sort, but a CELEBRATION and understanding of fertility and whatnot

i think this openess is beneficial to the whole society and western culture should embark on something similiar

also to touch on your question "why did we change? ( and BECOME so conservative? )" well back to my main point that this is secluded mainly to western culture and those cultures significantly influenced by western society, i think that western culture has a habbit of 'throwing away' the ways of the old without so much as a second thought, whereas most other cultures still to this day practice habbits, festivals and whatnot that they have still forgotten just why they exist



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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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i know what you mean about society being too conservative about sexuality, but i would limit that to western society


Looks like any adult film convention we would have in the united states and the pride parades we have. In japan like some states in the US same-sex marriages are not legal. And their Manga is just animated porn which we have had here in the states for years in both live action and animated forms.

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:04 PM
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I saw a news thing on that its really interesting to hear that it brings up a good point, japan is very open with sexuality, their manga is considered provocative here. A sang I was told is "as long as your nipples are covered [in reference to women] your dressed" As well as the fact they have TONES of Yuri and Yaoi ( Yuri being girl on girl Yaoi being man on man) And bishie and I'f you have ever watched anime you will have come across at least one anime with furries and or tentacles.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by zaiger
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i know what you mean about society being too conservative about sexuality, but i would limit that to western society


Looks like any adult film convention we would have in the united states and the pride parades we have.


The difference is you have to be, and correct me if I'm wrong 18 or older. That's how it is in Canada. You cannot enter or be exposed to "Graphic sexual content" until 18.

Mind you gay pride parades are different but those haven't happened until much much more recently.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:24 PM
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Mind you gay pride parades are different but those haven't happened until much much more recently.


Exactly, and how you can say that and say that the west is becomming more sexually repressed is beyond me. Let's not forget about our Mardi Gras,Nudes-A-Poppin' Pageant,Folsom Street Fair and the Exotic Erotic Ball.
I think people just feel that they come off smarter when they say things like "in western culture"



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:34 PM
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I never said we are becoming more conservative but rather we HAVE... If you refer to the OP I never say we are becoming more and more conservative.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:36 PM
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I never said we are becoming more conservative but rather we HAVE...

But that simply is not the case as pointed out over and over, if anything we have become less and less conservative about sex.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:39 PM
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oh absolutely! America is very repressed sexually and view more things as 'taboo' where they dont discuss much if anything of sexuality, the older generations however are more closed off in talking about the topic than younger folk, but its still there and has been passed down through the years..and the UK is very different.. for a brief example, Janet Jacksons breast flash at the Superbowl years ago wouldnt have made a Brit blink, and the whole of the US was 'up in arms' over it. News stands here in the UK have full fronted models bare breasted for all to see..'The Sun' being one off the top of my head where i have seen this but there are quite a few..

A good topic for a first post OP
i hope you get a lot of interesting view points, as ATS is so great for! I also agree religion (namely Christianity) is to fault for the making sex suh a taboo issue, but then again places in the middle east are far more strict..a father or brother of a girl has the right to beat and kill the women if she is raped as she is seen as 'unclean' and a shame to her husband (if married) and to her whole family..
Oh, and having an interest since my late teen years in D/s culture, it always strikes me how kinky the Germans can be let me tell ya LOL

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posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:42 PM
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How so? over recorded time no we haven't over the past 100 years yes we have. What is the time frame your looking at?



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 01:48 PM
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How so? over recorded time no we haven't over the past 100 years yes we have. What is the time frame your looking at?


Since we are talking about "us" and "the west" i take it we are talking about the United states, the timeframe i am looking at is the start of the united states to present day.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by zaiger
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How so? over recorded time no we haven't over the past 100 years yes we have. What is the time frame your looking at?


Since we are talking about "us" and "the west" i take it we are talking about the United states, the timeframe i am looking at is the start of the united states to present day.


Ok, yes in the WEST we have but I'm not talking about just the west in the past. But the shift that some areas and cultures made... Of course in recent years we have become less conservative but we still are. I'm talking in the point of view from the west. Not OF the west.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 02:08 PM
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The entire premise of the OP is kind of hard to understand. You assert that "we" have "changed" somehow without really expanding on how "we" have "changed". The points you do bring up in the OP have been shown to be false, so i am having a really hard time trying to see what exactly you are talking about.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 02:21 PM
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I'm sorry you felt confused but I'm talking from a westerners views on how cultures have changed over time from very early in human history until now. I assumed people would read into my examples and realize that I mean more maybe than just western cultures. I even asked if other people had other cultures they'd like to discuss like the Japanese festival which was brought up.



posted on Jul, 26 2010 @ 05:27 PM
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I think people just feel that they come off smarter when they say things like "in western culture"


i know what you mean, however, my knowledge comes from living in japan, as well as other places outside of the united states and around the world

where have you lived? this in no way is a challenge to your ego, i'd just like to point out a few on topic points here

the original point i began making was about the difference in sexual openess in society regarding western and eastern cultures, and seeing as how i have thoroughly lived in both culutures i would say that i am knowledgeful enough to make the claim " in western culture "

i'm sorry that came off to you as being somewhat challenging, but i meant it in the enlightening way, as in, this is what i have experienced in my life ( different cultures ) .. many who have lived throughout the world, and not just within the US, would have the same knowledge, living your whole life JUST in the US makes it somewhat difficult to decide just where someone is coming from when they say " in western culture " i suppose because that might be the only culture they have actually 'experienced'

again, i am not challenging you or your experiences in life, just offering explanation to my own - i have found that western society, while living in it, is sexually repressive and when sexual things are mentioned it usually has perverted targets.. whereas in the orient my experience has been that eastern thought demands such normal human behavior as sacred and as such celebrated



posted on Jul, 27 2010 @ 12:27 AM
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Originally posted by Xiamara
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I'm sorry you felt confused but I'm talking from a westerners views on how cultures have changed over time from very early in human history until now. I assumed people would read into my examples and realize that I mean more maybe than just western cultures. I even asked if other people had other cultures they'd like to discuss like the Japanese festival which was brought up.



You make a couple of mistakes but the biggest is that for some reason you think being a Cristian is in some way going to make you a saint and only have sex with your mate. That is not the case... all it has the power to do is put a mind block on certain subjects so when they happen or you do them your mind goes blank...Basically you believe you are something you are not...America is not repressed they are more "Cristian" meaning they don't flaunt it around. ATS says that giving links to this phenomenon is called porn so I wont bother Googleing my proof. As for japan well if you been there you should know Christianity didn't last long there in fact I think the shogun killed them all when he closed the borders. So therefore they don't make such a big deal about people having sex as other more Cristian nations do. So basically you can funk like rabbits and have orgies but you cant be open about it and go around acting like its new...nope your not even the billionth to think that or do that.



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